This guy doesn't like beckers.....

I'm taking the 2 out tomorrow just because dude rubbed my fur the wrong way. Screw him.
 
The Warrior said:
MOD 4, in case anyone was wondering:

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That's a beauty !!

Oh and as for the dude in the review, what is it they say about workmen and "bad" tools.....
 
I think most of us can agree that the BK2 is not for everyone.....but to call it useless?
 
Not a big fan of the BK2 , But I do have 1 and it serves me in a couple of ways.
1) I use it as a Handle making template
2) I loan it to folks who don't have a lot of experience with knives, because I don't want them to break off the tip.
 
A lot of comments along the lines of "this guy's a snob" but no one has contradicted anything he's said except to say the 2 batons well. Does the 2 do anything of the things he's talking about better? Will it carve traps and hearth boards better? Will it out perform a knife and saw combo? If you're batonning a 2 inch stick like he says, does the 2 do THAT better? Everything he's said is spot on from my experience. It seems there's more bias here then in that article IMO.
 
Shotgun said:
A lot of comments along the lines of "this guy's a snob" but no one has contradicted anything he's said except to say the 2 batons well. Does the 2 do anything of the things he's talking about better? Will it carve traps and hearth boards better? Will it out perform a knife and saw combo? If you're batonning a 2 inch stick like he says, does the 2 do THAT better? Everything he's said is spot on from my experience. It seems there's more bias here then in that article IMO.
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It may not be better, but it's funner. Maybe even the funnerest.
 
Shotgun said:
A lot of comments along the lines of "this guy's a snob" but no one has contradicted anything he's said except to say the 2 batons well. Does the 2 do anything of the things he's talking about better? Will it carve traps and hearth boards better? Will it out perform a knife and saw combo? If you're batonning a 2 inch stick like he says, does the 2 do THAT better? Everything he's said is spot on from my experience. It seems there's more bias here then in that article IMO.
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read a little closer maybe? he's been contradicted on several points. accurately.

he drew conclusions on the history of the blade, without knowing it, even though much of that information is available with some googling. including apparently the designer name, KaBar's involvement, comparing it to a knife made decades later (for a similar purpose oddly enough to the BK8) - perhaps insulting a lot of designers in the process, BK2 STARTED the trend for a production sharpened prybar, based on the MOD knife (back to egress tools)...

apparently it's not widely known that if you can convex a BK2, it becomes a cutting machine. factory edges are ... suggestions.
 
Bladite said:
read a little closer maybe? he's been contradicted on several points. accurately.

he drew conclusions on the history of the blade, without knowing it, even though much of that information is available with some googling. including apparently the designer name, KaBar's involvement, comparing it to a knife made decades later (for a similar purpose oddly enough to the BK8) - perhaps insulting a lot of designers in the process, BK2 STARTED the trend for a production sharpened prybar, based on the MOD knife (back to egress tools)...

apparently it's not widely known that if you can convex a BK2, it becomes a cutting machine. factory edges are ... suggestions.
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Where it came from? Okay you got me. Someone did disprove that but I could give a rats ass where it came from. What I care about is the knife in use compared to the other knives he mentions? Can the 2 outperform them for those tasks he mentions? Like was said above you, being "funner" is probably the only viable argument I've seen. Also, factory edges can be damn good if the company decides to do them correctly. There are companies that still do a good factory edge that doesn't have to be fixed by the end user. I doubt the factory edges on the knives he likes had to be altered at all before they could be used for things a person uses a knife for.
 
Shotgun said:
A lot of comments along the lines of "this guy's a snob" but no one has contradicted anything he's said except to say the 2 batons well. Does the 2 do anything of the things he's talking about better? Will it carve traps and hearth boards better? Will it out perform a knife and saw combo? If you're batonning a 2 inch stick like he says, does the 2 do THAT better? Everything he's said is spot on from my experience. It seems there's more bias here then in that article IMO.
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Show me a single knife that outperforms a knife/saw combo....
Will it pry open a car door better? Yes
Will it baton through emergency safety glass better? Yes
Will it break rocks, nuts, or bark better? Yes
Will it cause more damage if you had to strike someone in the skull with it? Yes

See where I am going? There is bias in both directions on this. I can come up with many "tests" that would favor a BK2. As I said, the 2 isn't for everyone, but it certainly has its uses. I do agree with a lot of his philosophy though. Over the years my knives has gotten thinner and thinner...but I still keep the 2 around just in case.
 
Doc8404 said:
Show me a single knife that outperforms a knife/saw combo....
Will it pry open a car door better? Yes
Will it baton through emergency safety glass better? Yes
Will it break rocks, nuts, or bark better? Yes
Will it cause more damage if you had to strike someone in the skull with it? Yes


See where I am going? There is bias in both directions on this. I can come up with many "tests" that would favor a BK2. As I said, the 2 isn't for everyone, but it certainly has its uses. I do agree with a lot of his philosophy though. Over the years my knives has gotten thinner and thinner...but I still keep the 2 around just in case.
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So you are saying the only things the Becker does better is tasks where you shouldn't be using a knife anyways? Again I say I personally find the BK2 (unlike other models in the lineup which I think are great) to be useless.
 
Does the BK2 excel at tasks where a thinner knife would? No. We all know that. It might make it useless to some, and that's okay. That's why we have so many choices. But most, if not all of us here, have more than just a scant understanding of how to properly use a knife. Our skill levels exceed the level at which the BK2 would be more optimal. We know where the knife came from, what it was based off of, and what that knife was intended for; a multi-use implement that included cutting but was not limited to cutting, specifically in that it was also designated for use for prying, digging, and tons more things that none of us would willingly subject our knives to. In that regard, the BK2 stands up as a tool moreso than a knife. Look at the numerous uses we have seen people get out of it that you would not be able to get out of almost any other "knife" that we would find better suited for daily use. Look at Tuffthumbz (or whoever it was that did pry a car door open with one) or Jarod Michael who used his as a chisel in a confined space with a hammer. Jarod didn't have a chisel, he was in the middle of Afghanistan. Tuffthumbz didn't have a pry bar, he was locked out of his car in a bad neighborhood. And look at who typically gets the BK2; people new to knives, people with less skill and experience, and look at what they do with it. It stands up because it is so extremely overbuilt. For what it is, yes, it is not the optimal knife. It couldn't be. But in many cases it can be the optimal tool. And if that doesn't work for you, if you have to have the right tool for the job, great! Awesome that you can do that. But you don't always have that luxury, and having a BK2 can serve a multitude of purposes that a crowbar cannot, or that a chisel cannot.
 
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So you are saying the only things the Becker does better is tasks where you shouldn't be using a knife anyways? Again I say I personally find the BK2 (unlike other models in the lineup which I think are great) to be useless.
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Why should you not be using a knife? Contrary to what we may fantasize about, few survival situations take place in the wilderness. There is more to a survival tool than it's ability to chop wood or notch a figure 4 trap. If you wanna get into the "right tool for the job" argument (ad nauseam) then this discussion is going nowhere. You shouldn't be using a knife for anything but cutting....but we can't all carry an axe, saw, EMS tool, jaws of life, etc on our persons at any given time. Maybe you're that badass, but I'm not.

I guess if you wanna get down to it, then yes the BK2 is better at non-knife tasks.....which is an essential function of a survival tool. In your location of Middletown, OH I'm sure you find little use for something like the 2...you don't even need a knife to start a fire or build a shelter in Ohio- land of the plentiful deadfall.
 
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Deeps breaths.

This is a good discussion.

I put less in the knife and more in the guy/gal using it. I like knives that can take apart a fatwood stump, cut up dinner, whittle cedar shavings thin enough to take a spark, and punch holes in a metal drum for your firebarrel in one sitting. For $65.

Perfect knife? Hardly. Close enough for me, though.

Moose
 
Take a BK2 to the woods and tell me it's not the funnest thing you've done in a while. Put a nice high convex on it and you've really got something special. If you can't do it, send it here and I'll do it for you. I'll grind anything. :D
 
Derek's post on the previous page sums it up pretty well. Does it do the various things mentioned better than other things? No. But to even mention that is to miss the point entirely. He seems to come from the "proper tool for the job" crowd, and honestly, there is nothing wrong with that. But the BK2, like a good khukuri, comes from the "do everything with one knife, if not the best, at least well" philosophy of knife design. The 2 is probably my least favorite in the lineup, BUT, for what it's designed for, it's a great blade. Sure, if you want to carry around the "right tool for every possible job" around at all times, you may be more efficient at various jobs. But you had best not EVER carry a swiss army knife or a leatherman. And you will look like a real chump when someone else gets the job done with just their BK2. And you'll look like even more of a chump if you ever get into an emergency, and since you weren't carrying around your metric ton of "right tools for the job," you aren't able to perform the necessary tasks. The BK2 is a great vehicle knife. Do I want to use it on an everyday basis? No. Do I have better knives for most of my daily tasks? Yes. But am I going to be thankful to have it in my vehicle if I or someone else needs a sharpened prybar, or the S otherwise HTF? Abso-&*%$-ing-lutely.
 
I don't care what is said here: For vs Against, Viable blade or sharpened prybar, Camper or Utility tool, Opinionated Reasoning or Fandom Biased, It's all BS!!

Point blank: My 2 works for ME and what I need it for. It has done everything I have asked regardless of task and has never failed......And what I need it for has nothing AT ALL to do with You or what You need. If you don't like that I appreciate it and want it and can use it.......GFY!!
 
Tdhurl1103 said:
I don't care what is said here: For vs Against, Viable blade or sharpened prybar, Camper or Utility tool, Opinionated Reasoning or Fandom Biased, It's all BS!!

Point blank: My 2 works for ME and what I need it for. It has done everything I have asked regardless of task and has never failed......And what I need it for has nothing AT ALL to do with You or what You need. If you don't like that I appreciate it and want it and can use it.......GFY!!
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See, this guy gets it.
 
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