This is getting OLD....Backing out....."I will take it".. OH on second thought...

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This situation is very frustrating. Not sure exactly how to rectify/improve these situations- but, they are becoming way too frequent. Perhaps a way might be to give these folks an infraction when reported to mods with proof of saying they would take. Most other sites like eBay or gun broker do that. Kind of like a non-paying bidder.
 
Let me ask your opinions on one of my recent situations on the Exchange. I was negotiating with someone via email on a knife listed on the Exchange after initial contact via BF email. I let their last offer sit for an hour or two when I responded via email that I would take it. By this time it was late and after no response after maybe an hour or so I went to bed. Next morning I started having second thoughts. I decided that 12 hours was a fair time to wait for a response and then I was going to rescind my "I'll take it". (Obviously the seller had to sleep too.) Was this a fair amount of time to wait? Or would I have ended up on your ignore list? To be clear I never posted "I'll take it" in the thread. I do take my reputation seriously. Thanks!

The seller did end up responding shortly before my personal 12 hour limit and I did honor my "I'll take it". (Glad I did too, this has been my non work EDC lately.)
 
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I think I found the problem -

"I reply with PMS and Emails
NOTHING"


No one responds well to that!
 
On a serious note, folks anymore don't deal with much face-to-face. You won't have responsibility anymore unless there are ramifications. On the internet, folks can just disappear. Personally, I am too dumb and stubborn to back out on things, but mostly it's because it's what I saw growing up. Today's example is "understand my problems" instead of "I stick to my word."
 
The Exchange rules are clear, but it does no good unless people read them.

When you are the seller, you can dictate your own sales terms. You need to provide reasonable contingencies in those terms to handle potential tire kickers that may not be all that serious, or new folks that do not understand the way the Exchange works. Unless your terms are stated clearly in your sales thread, no one can guess what exactly your expectations for payment or communication are. Again this is all on the seller to make things clear, blaming the potential buyer isn't going to work.

If someone repeatedly flakes on deals by committing to buy then leaves the seller high and dry, that can earn an infraction or a banning. There was a member a while back that would buy a knife on the Exchange, then turn around and start a complaint/hate thread about the item not being as described, noticing microscopic "flaws or damage" that came from the factory, shipping was not fast enough, the seller was dishonest about the most mundane things, etc. It happened about 4 times until we banned him. There was no other choice. There must be a clearly visible established pattern of this before anything gets done. We aren't going to turn into tyrants and start banning people for changing their minds on one deal. Mistakes happen and people can jump the gun when new. Being a bit patient is more valuable than being inflexible.

So if you state the following or similar:
1-Item will be listed as available until payment is received, or unless we work out some other arrangement via email.
2-Prompt communication and payment is expected within 24 hours or the item will be sold to the next person in line
3-Serious inquiries only please
4-No low ballers please, low ball offers will be politely ignored

Number one takes care of the communication problem, there is a clearly stated timeframe in which to do business. It also provides documentation. You need to CYA at all times, document everything via email keep emails, and don't state something which you don't mean and will later be used against you.

Number two sets the expectation regarding payment. No one can say anything about not knowing what you the seller wanted. Again this has to be reasonable. Not everyone lives on the forums, or has access to them while at work. Some people have families, or health issues, or more than one job, etc. Not everyone's life is the same cookie cutter pattern as yours.

Number three takes care of the flakers and sets a warning that serious inquires only will be considered. No need to lead people on and it is hard to extrapolate something other than what is written.

Number four takes care of the tire kickers "I'll trade you 15 Sanrenmu 710knives, 3 marbles, and a LNIB pair of socks for your Sebenza" type of people.

In the end it should be a nonissue, depending on how you write your terms. Keep it simple, brief, and polite. Don't give people the impression that you are a diva on the Exchange and hard to deal with. If you still have problems, report the posts or the issue. If it is something we need to intervene in, we can and will try to open communication with people. Failing that, move onto someone else. Life is short, don't get hung up on the little stuff.
 
On a serious note. i do not hesitate to deal with a new person on BFC as long as he/she has a complete profile, has an E-mail that does not end in Hotmail, has an address not just a PO Box and is willing to provide his/her phone number that I can verify prior to shipping.
So if you join BFC, have a username like native Nazi or MallNinja Racist, live at PO Box XXX, cannot remember your legal address, have only a hotmail account, and give me a bogus phone number......we just are not going to get any deals done.

Be up front, honest in word and deed and have integrity and I will ship before even getting payment, even if you have only been here two days.

What's wrong with hotmail email addresses?
 
Whats wrong with hotmail?

Probably nothing but in almost every bad deal/problem deal i have been part of over the years the person had a hotmail address (or multiple hotmail addresses)

Just my personal distrust of Hotmail, maybe it's just too easy to have multiple E-mail addresses......................

YMMV
 
As a seller, don't edit out your price with SPF or Sold.

I love seeing people complain about someone backing out and ruining their thread when they edit out their price so no one can call seconds or get in line.

Sure it is inconvenient when a buyer backs out, it has happened to me several times. I have had sellers change their mind twice after I have sent money even. Just keep your price visible, put that person on ignore, and move on to the next one.
 
Too each their own
This isnt about removing prices..
NO where in the rules does it state or imply..YOU must keep prices visible.
That is somethig you and others may or may not like to do..?
That is each persons choice.
I do it..Because I choose to.
This is about the epidemic of people claiming something
and backing out ..especially when you put off other buyers..
Then you are screwed..because the other potential buyers
have moved along.
This backing out crap is becoming a regular thing with MANY MANY members in here.
 
I agree that its inconvenient, but you are alot less screwed if you keep your price visible so someone can call seconds.

Getting rid of your price before you have money just isnt smart from a selling standpoint. People will call seconds and thirds after someone says Ill take it, but thats not possible if you edit out your asking price.
 
Again..We have people that leave it..Such as you and people that pull it..
ITs a CHOICE...You may like it or not..Price can be discussed anytime thru PM or email..
If a buyer has backed out etc..
People will make their own choices..
I have no reservations to yank my price and close my thread.. AGAIN how I do it...
We are way off topic..........................................
 
Since I started selling off my microtech collection I get emails almost daily saying I'll buy it mark it sold and I never hear back??? They will ask for a million pics and then disappear. I honestly think there trolling and have nothing better to do. I know I was learned by my dad if I say I will take it then I will buy it or if I make a offer and it gets excepted then I'm buying it I will never back up on a trade and if I price something too cheap you jump on it and you buy it right then It doesn't matter if I find out it's the holy grail I wont back up or crawfish on a deal as we call it here in ky . True story there's a older man in my town who trades on old case knives if he pulls one out and prices it no matter the price if you say I'll take it real quick he will put it in his shirt pocket and try to change the subject or just leave the area. Its a running joke in my town now and no one will buy or trade with him they just mess with him because he always backs up on trades and he has lost all credibility .
 
I personally have started adding a clause to my sales that "the ________ isn't sold until I receive funds",..Until then,..saying "I'll take it!" doesn't mean much..It just means the interest is there, but not the funds. When I mark it "sold" the transaction is done.

I robbed this idea from a Mod or two,..
 
I would love to see all sellers leave their prices up post sale so that it can serve as research in the future. However and for whatever reason, many sellers immediately delete the price and add SPF or SOLD instead. I have heard several reasons but I remain unsure why it would matter to the seller, he/she sold the item!!

Of course nothing burns me more than to type SPF or SOLD only to have the seller back out. What burns me most in some cases are the disingenuous baloney reasons given. When a buyer backs out and is up front and honest, I tend to be OK with it. The I cannot buy it because my wife ate my wallet or your paypal account was hacked by a Gypsy family who went out and bought a Gulfstream Jet reasons just do not fly!!! (no pun)
 
Ira, I live in a very small town. I have had a PO Box address since forever. Before that, my address was "General Delivery", no kidding!

I have been a member of BFC for 15 years now. My address has always ended in @Hotmail.com and will for the foreseeable future.

If those criteria keep you from doing business with me, that's okay.

I just think it's become the "norm" for a new generation of young people that there are no ethics in business dealings. I've been on this planet a long time, and I've watched honor fade slowly away, to be replaced by anonymity and lack of consequence. It's unfortunate as all get-out, but it's what's left of an era where a handshake spoke volumes.

I myself have resigned myself to doing business with a handful of folks here out of the thousands on BFC. That doesn't make my "buyers" pool very big if I'm selling something, but it's safe. And if I decide to accept business from somebody I don't recognize, well then I'm already mentally prepared to take a deep breath and laugh at the "I'm gonna have to back out" post when it comes.

Gizmo, you referred to it as an "epidemic of people claiming something and backing out", but I don't see it as an epidemic at all. I see it as the new normal of a marketplace where ethics have disappeared. I'm truly sorry if this has ruined your BFC experience, but I don't see any of our rants solving the issue.

But hey you got to rant, and salvaged a couple humorous posts out of it. Win / Win bruddah. Keep your head up, the world hasn't run out of gentlemen yet.
 
Rants are a great thing when it gets people to take time and read this thread.
I dont and or the MODS have intentions of resolving this issue as a whole..
It is impossible....
It is true..the younger generation are simply..INEPT...
Posting our experiences and dealings good and bad only bring
attention to many things.
If this RANT...allows one of the folks that has done this not only
too me but to another member..
And they pause a minute before claiming an item...
This thread-rant has been a HUGE success.
 
LOL, True dat.

Right up there with "hey, if it saves the life of only ONE KID, wasn't it worth it"?

Here's to hoping your future purchases go off without a hitch.
 
Too each their own
This isnt about removing prices..
NO where in the rules does it state or imply..YOU must keep prices visible.
That is somethig you and others may or may not like to do..?
That is each persons choice.
I do it..Because I choose to.
This is about the epidemic of people claiming something
and backing out ..especially when you put off other buyers..
Then you are screwed..because the other potential buyers
have moved along.
This backing out crap is becoming a regular thing with MANY MANY members in here.

To be fair, nowhere in the rules does it say "I'll take it" means you have to take it either.
 
To be fair, nowhere in the rules does it say "I'll take it" means you have to take it either.

This confuses me greatly, there needs to be rules about standing behind what you say?? Hopefully I am missing something here or I have lost even more hope in humanity.
 
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