This is getting OLD....Backing out....."I will take it".. OH on second thought...

[wolfmann601]

Vel, for you i would sell to you if you lived in a tent!!!

I also have a PO box for mail, but I also have a physical address. What I meant is when a buyer says "ship to PO Box XX" and I say "Ok, but what is you house address, the info you would tell 911 if you needed them" and the buyer says "I just have a PO Box". I too live in a small Town having moved from even a smaller Town. The first Town had a waiting list to rent PO boxes so my address was RFD 2, general delivery for about two years.

As for .Hotmail.....................................I know most of the Hotmail users are great folks, honest to the core, but every time I got burned the person had a hotmail address (or 30 hotmail addresses) and I am now just a bit shell-shocked.

Bottom line; a guy like you Vel could live IN a PO Box, have seven Hotmail addresses and two user names.....................your honesty and integrity shines thru like a beacon.

I guess I will retract my statement and start dealing with Hotmail E-mails again.................................LOL

 

[RevDevil]

This confuses me greatly, there needs to be rules about standing behind what you say?? Hopefully I am missing something here or I have lost even more hope in humanity.

There should be no confusion, this is where common sense and researching on your part comes in. Your very own due diligence saves the day. More rules do not help when the existing ones are ignored or not adhered to. There is plenty of information in the Sticky'd threads at the top of each section, again it's only effective when it's actually read. Kind of like having a bottle of Excederin, the pills don't work unless you take them. They don't do much good sitting in a medicine cabinet all day long.

 

[Redmeadow Knives]

There should be no confusion, this is where common sense and researching on your part comes in. Your very own due diligence saves the day. More rules do not help when the existing ones are ignored or not adhered to. There is plenty of information in the Sticky'd threads at the top of each section, again it's only effective when it's actually read. Kind of like having a bottle of Excederin, the pills don't work unless you take them. They don't do much good sitting in a medicine cabinet all day long.

Well put.

When did "integrity" and "legally binding" get mixed together? The words "I'll take it" means.....I'll take it. If there is an issue that needs to be dealt with after the fact, deal with it. But to go back on your word for something other than a catastrophic event, well it's up to the person you made the deal with to let you out of it or not.

 

[trestle]

Ira, I live in a very small town. I have had a PO Box address since forever. Before that, my address was "General Delivery", no kidding!

I have been a member of BFC for 15 years now. My address has always ended in @Hotmail.com and will for the foreseeable future.

If those criteria keep you from doing business with me, that's okay.

I just think it's become the "norm" for a new generation of young people that there are no ethics in business dealings. I've been on this planet a long time, and I've watched honor fade slowly away, to be replaced by anonymity and lack of consequence. It's unfortunate as all get-out, but it's what's left of an era where a handshake spoke volumes.

I myself have resigned myself to doing business with a handful of folks here out of the thousands on BFC. That doesn't make my "buyers" pool very big if I'm selling something, but it's safe. And if I decide to accept business from somebody I don't recognize, well then I'm already mentally prepared to take a deep breath and laugh at the "I'm gonna have to back out" post when it comes.

Gizmo, you referred to it as an "epidemic of people claiming something and backing out", but I don't see it as an epidemic at all. I see it as the new normal of a marketplace where ethics have disappeared. I'm truly sorry if this has ruined your BFC experience, but I don't see any of our rants solving the issue.

But hey you got to rant, and salvaged a couple humorous posts out of it. Win / Win bruddah. Keep your head up, the world hasn't run out of gentlemen yet.

^ This :thumbup:

 

[RevDevil]

Well put.

When did "integrity" and "legally binding" get mixed together? The words "I'll take it" means.....I'll take it. If there is an issue that needs to be dealt with after the fact, deal with it. But to go back on your word for something other than a catastrophic event, well it's up to the person you made the deal with to let you out of it or not.

I agree, but the point I was trying to make is that sellers have the right to sell to anyone they want. Not just the first people that replies. There are options. It's almost like the previous post I made just sent unread. One other thing is, unless people report these issues, we cannot do anything about it. Ranting doesn't do much because we have no ide what is going on through the waves of ranting.

 

[Redmeadow Knives]

I hear you, I think it's unfortunate that things need to be so defined with guidelines. Because folks don't always adhere to common sense, these things are absolutely necessary though.

One of the great things about free will is that we have choices. I can choose to tell a buyer to pound sand if need be, but it should be done directly.

I try only to rant at my shop cat.

 

[bigmark408]

I could blow up this thread with stories about the crap both buyers and sellers have pulled but what's the point....another will come around sooner or later.

 

[Redmeadow Knives]

You're right, don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff!

 

[Hard Knocks]

Vel, for you i would sell to you if you lived in a tent!!!

I also have a PO box for mail, but I also have a physical address. What I meant is when a buyer says "ship to PO Box XX" and I say "Ok, but what is you house address, the info you would tell 911 if you needed them" and the buyer says "I just have a PO Box". I too live in a small Town having moved from even a smaller Town. The first Town had a waiting list to rent PO boxes so my address was RFD 2, general delivery for about two years.

As for .Hotmail.....................................I know most of the Hotmail users are great folks, honest to the core, but every time I got burned the person had a hotmail address (or 30 hotmail addresses) and I am now just a bit shell-shocked.

Bottom line; a guy like you Vel could live IN a PO Box, have seven Hotmail addresses and two user names.....................your honesty and integrity shines thru like a beacon.

I guess I will retract my statement and start dealing with Hotmail E-mails again.................................LOL

I don't post much in here, but I read a lot. The hotmail thing caught my attention because I too have had a hotmail address 'forever.' For what it's worth, if I post 'I'll take it' then come hell or high water I'm taking it.

I agree, but the point I was trying to make is that sellers have the right to sell to anyone they want. Not just the first people that replies. There are options.

It used to really bother me to see someone sell around the first I'll-take-it post. NOT ANYMORE. I was new and ignorant to a lot of these problems then. To me, BF is all about community and relationships, and if a seller chooses to sell to someone he has an established relationship with rather than me, more power to him. :thumbup:

 

[uofaengr]

I took a risk last week selling to a new member that had zero feedback and only 2 or 3 posts. I was highly skeptical at first, but I remember there was a time when I had zero feedback and only a few posts and someone took a chance on me.

I do use some precautions to cover myself in case a buyer wants to claim certain things about the package. Fortunately I've never had a bad deal with anyone. It's sad we have to do it, but there have been too many horror stories in GB&U lately.

In the end, the buyer turned out to be a very nice guy letting me know he received it in perfect condition and that his wife really liked the knife too. It's definitely a crap shoot these days with new members, but I lucked out and would definitely deal with him again.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

I always put in my sales thread please have at least 5 positives here on BF any less please message me.

it works for the most part.

but I hear you Giz,

The only downside to that is the newbie would lose out in a 'move fast' situation. My first purchase on here was just that, I had to pounce as soon as I saw it. Luckily, the seller gave me a chance. I made sure to pay the instant I got the paypal addy so they wouldn't have time to change their mind and sell to the high feedback person who called seconds.

I'd rather see welching as a feedback-able offense. I'm in another group where it's a bannable offense, that keeps it minimal there.

 

[Bob W]

Don't say, "I'll take it," unless you really want, AND have the money to pay for it.

How dang hard is that to understand???

I'd rather see welching as a feedback-able offense.

Agree.

 

[Drew Riley]

To be fair, nowhere in the rules does it say "I'll take it" means you have to take it either.

I guess I'm confused as to why on earth somebody would say "I'll take it", if they didn't fully intend on following through and actually taking it.

That's a little like ordering a pizza, then not answering the door when it shows up. Sounds a bit irrational, does it not??

 

[atony]

What really sucks is when they ask you to hold it for a couple days then bail out on the knife!!!! I'm a overall a nice guy and will give anyone a chance at purchasing one of my knives but with that said I have a good memory of who not to deal with also.

 

[Gizmoman]

I fully get we where all NEW once as well.
We all have too start somewhere and take a chance..
I am grateful to all members that have piped in.
It is very much appreciated by myself and I feel by many others
--Keith

 

[DB.Cooper]

I guess I'm confused as to why on earth somebody would say "I'll take it", if they didn't fully intend on following through and actually taking it.

That's a little like ordering a pizza, then not answering the door when it shows up. Sounds a bit irrational, does it not??

I don't disagree. I was only pointing out that it's not expressly bound by the official rules of this place, much like sellers removing the selling price on their items after a sale has been completed. I'm not speaking to the integrity of anyone here, just pointing out that it's more of an "unwritten rule of the road" so to speak.

 

[UDDwaine]

I guess I'm confused as to why on earth somebody would say "I'll take it", if they didn't fully intend on following through and actually taking it.

That's a little like ordering a pizza, then not answering the door when it shows up. Sounds a bit irrational, does it not??

According to the demonic one, that is OK. No money ever changed hands...

 

[Morrow]

According to the demonic one, that is OK. No money ever changed hands...

Not according the to the "demonic one" but according the written rules of the site. Nobody is telling anyone not to start a thread in Feedback letting the rest of us know that someone is a flake but you can't leave iTrader feedback if money or property didn't change hands.

 

[RevDevil]

According to the demonic one, that is OK. No money ever changed hands...

I don't make the rules Dwaine, Spark does, as this is his place. I just try and remind people of them, and offer suggestions to help people make their transactions better by protecting themselves. As I said before in case it was missed, if someone develops a clearly established pattern of flakery that spans several transactions we will take action. iTrader is only for completed deals, not half way completed deals or partial negotiations.

 

[Velitrius]

Ira, I sincerely appreciate your words. Enough to warm me heart and bring a tear to me eye.

I feel the same about you, and your e-mail address or p.o. box wouldn't give me a second thought. Simply because I know that our dealings will always be conducted with the highest degree of integrity out of experience. But with somebody you don't have experience with, I guess I can see your hesitation.

I discussed the Hotmail thing with some folks just out of curiosity. Apparently, there are many places like financial institutions and on-line marketplaces that will not accept "anonymous" e-mail accounts like mine. The wife does direct sales, and she indicated the same thing... especially the part that you mentioned about MULTIPLE e-mail addresses. That didn't actually occur to me, but after thinking about it, makes sense. Kind of like a guy with multiple IDs and passports when you really think about it.... might raise an eyebrow or two, LOL!

So Ira, I honestly would not blame you or anybody else for giving me a polite "No Thanks" out of consideration for my contact info. A real IP and a physical house address adds a measure of security if you don't personally know the folks you are dealing with. I get that now, so there's no need for a retraction, Ol' Boy.

My problems are just beginning though... I got no PayPal account either. So I can't do business with those folks not patient enough to wait for the mail man.