This is W&SS not "The Post Anything I Want Because I Only Read This Forum" Forum

[FortyTwoBlades]

Awhile back in the ESEE forum they had a problem with off topic threads all the time, and they made an "anything goes" chat sticky for that stuff. Might help to solve the problem. It seemed to work there.

+1 It gave everyone a place to chat with their usual focused group, and the actual board has stayed nice and clean as a result. Just my $.02

 

[JCavSD]

Awhile back in the ESEE forum they had a problem with off topic threads all the time, and they made an "anything goes" chat sticky for that stuff. Might help to solve the problem. It seemed to work there.

Seems like a good compromise to me.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

A few comments, and then I'm going to give this a rest.

I like the idea of an anything goes sticky. Keep it clean, blow off steam, use it as a W&SS chat. Sounds good.

Someone mentioned forums as neighborhoods. There's a reason Ken & I got in on this thread together. We live in the same neighborhood, a few minutes walk from each other. We run into each other a lot, call, get together for lunch. We get along because we share a lot of attitudes, even if we seem to express them differently.

Wilderness and Survival Skills is not going to turn into a strange and forbidding place.

 

[LMT66]

Now to the deletion of this sticky! We are up to 9 on page 1.

 

[dawsonbob]

A few comments, and then I'm going to give this a rest.

I like the idea of an anything goes sticky. Keep it clean, blow off steam, use it as a W&SS chat. Sounds good.

Someone mentioned forums as neighborhoods. There's a reason Ken & I got in on this thread together. We live in the same neighborhood, a few minutes walk from each other. We run into each other a lot, call, get together for lunch. We get along because we share a lot of attitudes, even if we seem to express them differently.

Wilderness and Survival Skills is not going to turn into a strange and forbidding place.

Neighborhoods — that was me, and I think it's a good analogy. Blade Forums as a whole is very large, and many of its neighborhoods are terra incognito to the denizens of many of the other neighborhoods. W&SS is a nice little neighborhood where we all know each other. Many of us have been there for awhile, and seldom leave to explore other neighborhoods. Why would we? We have almost all we need. Because of that, it's comforting to hear you say that W&SS is not going to turn into a strange and forbidding place. That's a good thing, because it would play heck with the property values if it did.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Since this thread is hot, 2 announcements:

1. W&SS chat sticky is now live.
2. Monster Sticky thread is now live, old stickies will be unstuck.
Find them by looking in the Monster Sticky Thread!

 

[Spark]

To expand on what Ken and Esav are saying...

There's two types of posting: content and filler. Content is what people use to find information. Filler is chit-chat and other things that build a community, but largely has little practical application. Striking the balance is the tough part.

I'm LOATHE to delete content, but filler really can get pruned away without a problem. Information brings people here; community keeps them coming back. People don't spend all day hanging around Wikipedia; they research their topic and then leave.

Perhaps the compromise would be for a subforum for the W&SS guys to chill in & take the off topic postings. This does not absolve you from keeping the actual content in the appropriate primary forum, however, it would give some latitude.

 

[j williams]

Thanks for weighing in Spark. A cantina would be pretty sweet.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

We've got a chat thread as a compromise, the way the ESEE forum does. Let's see how that works. (Pretty well so far.)

 

[mymindisamob]

To expand on what Ken and Esav are saying...

There's two types of posting: content and filler. Content is what people use to find information. Filler is chit-chat and other things that build a community, but largely has little practical application. Striking the balance is the tough part.

I'm LOATHE to delete content, but filler really can get pruned away without a problem. Information brings people here; community keeps them coming back. People don't spend all day hanging around Wikipedia; they research their topic and then leave.

Perhaps the compromise would be for a subforum for the W&SS guys to chill in & take the off topic postings. This does not absolve you from keeping the actual content in the appropriate primary forum, however, it would give some latitude.

And yet again you speak reason and authority, there's one of the many reasons your name is on the door. Thanks Spark!:thumbup:

 

[TheGame]

To expand on what Ken and Esav are saying...

There's two types of posting: content and filler. Content is what people use to find information. Filler is chit-chat and other things that build a community, but largely has little practical application. Striking the balance is the tough part.

I'm LOATHE to delete content, but filler really can get pruned away without a problem. Information brings people here; community keeps them coming back. People don't spend all day hanging around Wikipedia; they research their topic and then leave.

Perhaps the compromise would be for a subforum for the W&SS guys to chill in & take the off topic postings. This does not absolve you from keeping the actual content in the appropriate primary forum, however, it would give some latitude.

Thanks for your input, Spark. That is a very reasonable response to the thread.

 

[JCavSD]

To expand on what Ken and Esav are saying...

There's two types of posting: content and filler. Content is what people use to find information. Filler is chit-chat and other things that build a community, but largely has little practical application. Striking the balance is the tough part.

I'm LOATHE to delete content, but filler really can get pruned away without a problem. Information brings people here; community keeps them coming back. People don't spend all day hanging around Wikipedia; they research their topic and then leave.

Perhaps the compromise would be for a subforum for the W&SS guys to chill in & take the off topic postings. This does not absolve you from keeping the actual content in the appropriate primary forum, however, it would give some latitude.

Thanks for laying it out like this Spark, makes sense. I think many of us were hoping for a subforum like you mentioned. The chat thread is a step in the right direction.

 

[bltjr1951]

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

I got banned from a site cause I mentioned a MOD using his might for wrong purpose.

If you don't want to read whole forum, don't be a MOD.

Titled threads would help. No more "Look at this!" & "Check out my new toy!" threads.

What about pics of the POTUS??

The reason I come here; I like to see pics of the woods. Don't have them where I live.

 

[Ken C.]

I got banned from a site cause I mentioned a MOD using his might for wrong purpose.

If you don't want to read whole forum, don't be a MOD.

And just what are you suggesting?

 

[PatriotDan]

Im in line with both the mods and the community aspect here. I think this particular forum is one of the best ones if not the best and has a very wide array possible subjects.

Personally, I come here for information and there's quite a bit of off topics here all the time.

I certainly wouldn't mind if a subsubforum in the spirit of knifemakers "around the grinder" would be given here... "around the camp fire" WSS subforum for chit chat and general stuff?

Although this opinion gets me in the knifemakers black list...
the only type of thread I personally don't think fit here or a chit chat off topic wss subforum either are the knifemakers "look, a knife I made" threads. There is a gallery forum for that already and there's a forum for knifemakers to sell their stuff.

Even if the knifemaker really didn't mean it as an advertisement I don't think it's fair for all the knifemakers in Bladeforums that just because someone makes a wilderness/bushcraft type of knife they get the free pass to post it here.

We all know that nearly all types knives can be used for hunting and outdoors activities, it's not exclusive to traditional outdoors models, so in all fairness every knifemaker should be allowed to post their newest stuff here if they think it fits the type here, but that wouldn't work would it now.

Just like with chit chat, I wouldn't mind a "knifemakers wilderness knives gallery" WSS subforum here I might prove to be a great avenue for knifemakers advertise their bushcraft, hunting and general outdoors blades for the forum people looking for new outdoors edged hardware.

(knifemakers: no hatemail ok )

 

[Bernie Garland]

Im in line with both the mods and the community aspect here. I think this particular forum is one of the best ones if not the best and has a very wide array possible subjects.

Personally, I come here for information and there's quite a bit of off topics here all the time.

I certainly wouldn't mind if a subsubforum in the spirit of knifemakers "around the grinder" would be given here... "around the camp fire" WSS subforum for chit chat and general stuff?

Although this opinion gets me in the knifemakers black list...
the only type of thread I personally don't think fit here or a chit chat off topic wss subforum either are the knifemakers "look, a knife I made" threads. There is a gallery forum for that already and there's a forum for knifemakers to sell their stuff.

Even if the knifemaker really didn't mean it as an advertisement I don't think it's fair for all the knifemakers in Bladeforums that just because someone makes a wilderness/bushcraft type of knife they get the free pass to post it here.

We all know that nearly all types knives can be used for hunting and outdoors activities, it's not exclusive to traditional outdoors models, so in all fairness every knifemaker should be allowed to post their newest stuff here if they think it fits the type here, but that wouldn't work would it now.

Just like with chit chat, I wouldn't mind a "knifemakers wilderness knives gallery" WSS subforum here I might prove to be a great avenue for knifemakers advertise their bushcraft, hunting and general outdoors blades for the forum people looking for new outdoors edged hardware.

(knifemakers: no hatemail ok )

I think that is an excellent post :thumbup:

Bernie

 

[koyote]

Although this opinion gets me in the knifemakers black list...
the only type of thread I personally don't think fit here or a chit chat off topic wss subforum either are the knifemakers "look, a knife I made" threads. There is a gallery forum for that already and there's a forum for knifemakers to sell their stuff.

Even if the knifemaker really didn't mean it as an advertisement I don't think it's fair for all the knifemakers in Bladeforums that just because someone makes a wilderness/bushcraft type of knife they get the free pass to post it here.

We all know that nearly all types knives can be used for hunting and outdoors activities, it's not exclusive to traditional outdoors models, so in all fairness every knifemaker should be allowed to post their newest stuff here if they think it fits the type here, but that wouldn't work would it now.

Just like with chit chat, I wouldn't mind a "knifemakers wilderness knives gallery" WSS subforum here I might prove to be a great avenue for knifemakers advertise their bushcraft, hunting and general outdoors blades for the forum people looking for new outdoors edged hardware.

(knifemakers: no hatemail ok )

I agree with you in general, but not in specifics. I posted one of my favorite designs in the off-topic sticky just because I could But generally I stick them in my subforum.

There's a time when a new maker is really hammering on getting designs up to par, working on ideas, bucking a trend or tying to make a "classic" right- in all those cases I expect to see a lot of posting in a WSS area if that's their focus. (in the custom&handmade area if they are doing damascus fighters!, in the throwing forum if they are doing that. This is BLADEforums )

There's a time when you get to be more or less established, like Rick- and you bring in discussion threads on designs, geometries, or put up specific new types for a "visual review". I don't really see a problem with this as long as it has some topical discussion and isn't a blatant advertisement.

Honestly, that's what mods are for. To make judgement calls.

Note, one of the sgian dubhs I posted in the other thread is actually for sale, but I didn't mention that. I'm not really worried about it selling...eventually. - anyway, that's one of the touchstones for me- if you say "this one is available" then it's an ad. probably... half to two thirds of the blades I've posted over the past 3 years in here were already spoken for when I posted them- and while I used to, and occasionally still do- want some warm fuzzies (I don't have a lot of knife knuts at the local bar to show stuff to!)- I try to keep something WSS oriented involved.

 

[stingray4540]

BFC is very diverse in it's subforums. W&SS is one of those forums where the subject matter varies from recommendations of bushcraft knives, hiking pics, discussing the skills needed to survive in the wild, and how certain gear aids one in a wilderness and survival situation. It is not however, a place where you can post anything you want. This is a specialty forum and as such discussions should be kept to the forum title.....WILDERNESS & SURVIVAL SKILLS.

Threads that discuss gear that is not directly related to W&SS will be moved to Gadgets & Gear or any other appropriate forum. Another Super Mod is on board with this as well as a W&SS Mod.

So, how do you explain a backpacking thread being moved? Please see my quote from that thread, below.
Also, how do you explain the opinel thread being moved, when the question was specifically directed toward outdoor use?

Yeah, I too would like to know why the hell this thread got moved?

I've refrained from getting into this discussion on other threads, but this is getting pretty frigging ridiculous.

What else is more wilderness and survival related than backpacking?! Oh, I guess it's because it involves people actually getting out into the wilderness and not sitting in there living room taking pictures of knives, or first aid kits that they added firesteels and whistles too.

This happens to be one of my favorite forums to check for everything wilderness related, including, knives, trip reports and pictures, gear and gear reports, ideas, fishing, hunting, backpacking, camping and survival discussions. But lately this forum is just starting to piss me off.

Bladeforums has too many categories, and I just noticed that they once again changed the title of the parent subforum of this subforum, and added a fishing and hunting subforum. Fishing and Hunting are two of the 4 ways to spend time in the wilderness, and are the most likely to put someone in a survival situation!

I'm am honestly getting to the brink of leaving, at the very least I am seriously reconsidering renewing my membership. This is just getting ridiculous.

Then post in the correct forum and your peers can respond in there. Simple.

But for some of the things that have been moved, this IS the correct forum.

The last time I checked BFC as a whole is a community. Exclusion is not a good way make friends.

Really?! That is like saying the United States of America is a community like the block that my house is on, is a community.

BF has too many gawd dang forums and subforums as it is. If I have to keep track of 4 different subforums, then it isn't worth coming here any more for me.

I like one person's suggestion about an "anything goes" sticky. I agree that the baby threads and the what car should I buy, or my dog died threads are a bit off topic. They could easily be put in a sticky thread though, so it unclutters the forum, I think that would be a good solution.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Good grief!

stingray4540, are you paying attention? Everything you're going on about has been hashed over, beaten on, worked out, and your last suggestion is already in place.

Ken made a good point and people questioned how it would work in practice. Questioning specific threads moved in the past is beside the point now. Let's go forward from here.

By the way, where is that damn Opinel thread now ??? Yeah, in W&SS. So what's the problem?

 

[Ken C.]

I can't explain everything that was moved. I can explain the threads that I move. I move passed on content. If it was a general gear discussion it got moved. If was gear with direct content regarding W&SS use I would have kept it there. I'm no tthe only one who may move a thread.

But for some of the things that have been moved, this IS the correct forum.

Again, it is all dependent on thread content regarding the topic.

I like one person's suggestion about an "anything goes" sticky.

Ahem-----> http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=735184

A little late to that party, huh? Been done since yesterday. If keeping track of four whole forums is a chore for you I'd trade you my job for that any day.