This must be where the DEKs hang out, eh?

carnifex knifeworks said:
CPKs magnacut is great. I have a swedged dek1 in MC. I'll say this though, with rough use the MC takes more damage than delta 3v, just like Nathan's tests showed.

I think that delta 3v may be the goldilocks zone. It's corrosion resistant, almost "stainless" in performance, has good wear resistance, excellent edge stability, and great toughness. Pretty tough to beat in my book.

I don't regret getting my DEK1 in MC, but for anyone thinking they're missing out or something, I personally wouldn't worry about it. Not because the MC is a let down or anything negative; it's more so that delta 3v is so damn good.
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I will buy the dek1 in Mc from you so you can buy a whatever in Delta 3v :)
 
carnifex knifeworks said:
CPKs magnacut is great. I have a swedged dek1 in MC. I'll say this though, with rough use the MC takes more damage than delta 3v, just like Nathan's tests showed.

I think that delta 3v may be the goldilocks zone. It's corrosion resistant, almost "stainless" in performance, has good wear resistance, excellent edge stability, and great toughness. Pretty tough to beat in my book.

I don't regret getting my DEK1 in MC, but for anyone thinking they're missing out or something, I personally wouldn't worry about it. Not because the MC is a let down or anything negative; it's more so that delta 3v is so damn good.
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Hey do you have any images of what damaged it had and what caused it?
 
XtianAus said:
Hey do you have any images of what damaged it had and what caused it?
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I'll have to check if I have photos.

I was cutting through excess landscaping fabric covered in sand and gravel, clipping rocks, knocking into staples, etc. It wasn't like I was sticking my blade in the ground (I'm not that dumb), but any knife I've ever seen would have taken damage.
I was pretty impressed with how the magnacut did. Definitely better than I would have expected from another knife in magnacut. I was actually doing the same thing on a different project with d3v. It took some damage, but less than the magnacut.
It was a pretty fair comparison and I was impressed with both. I wouldn't expect any of the other knives I have experience with to fair as well as they did (excluding the bfk cruwear).
 
carnifex knifeworks said:
I'll have to check if I have photos.

I was cutting through excess landscaping fabric covered in sand and gravel, clipping rocks, knocking into staples, etc. It wasn't like I was sticking my blade in the ground (I'm not that dumb), but any knife I've ever seen would have taken damage.
I was pretty impressed with how the magnacut did. Definitely better than I would have expected from another knife in magnacut. I was actually doing the same thing on a different project with d3v. It took some damage, but less than the magnacut.
It was a pretty fair comparison and I was impressed with both. I wouldn't expect any of the other knives I have experience with to fair as well as they did (excluding the bfk cruwear).
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Awesome! That's what I wanna hear.
thanks for that.
I havent used my magnacut hard yet, but it is encouraging to hear it can take a good amount of hard use.
I like to be able to carry a blade in confidence that it can handle stupid tasks if I need it to in an emergency.

I was watching (admittedly pointless) destruction video of the TRC apocalypse. ¼ elmax steel that completely blew out on the edge against chopping into steel (stupid testing but this thing just completely fell apart) and then broke in half later on. I know its elmax. I know the test was stupid...but 6mm of steel 😳 it failed like a something that you'd expect had botched HT or cost $80

All that is to say, it just made me start second guessing stainless steels categorically.
 
XtianAus said:
Awesome! That's what I wanna hear.
thanks for that.
I havent used my magnacut hard yet, but it is encouraging to hear it can take a good amount of hard use.
I like to be able to carry a blade in confidence that it can handle stupid tasks if I need it to in an emergency.

I was watching (admittedly pointless) destruction video of the TRC apocalypse. ¼ elmax steel that completely blew out on the edge against chopping into steel (stupid testing but this thing just completely fell apart) and then broke in half later on. I know its elmax. I know the test was stupid...but 6mm of steel 😳 it failed like a something that you'd expect had botched HT or cost $80

All that is to say, it just made me start second guessing stainless steels categorically.
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I wouldn't worry at all. There's no feasible scenario I can think of using any CPK in that would cause failure like that. You couldn't get one to fail unless you tried...hard. Let's just think it through, regardless of whether it's magnacut or d3v:

Chopping roots or branches? No problem.

Cutting electrical wiring? Go for it.

Using it as a wedge to hammer it between nailed down boards? All good.

Destroying drywall? Do it.

Beating the spine with a rock to cut through a fallen tree to clear a path because you don't have a saw? It's been done. No, really. Someone on this forum hammered their DEK2 through a tree, using a rock, to clear a trail/path. It destroyed the scales, but the knife wasn't hurt. By the way, Nathan replaced those scales under his hard use warranty. He actually went out of his way to do it. Show me any other knife maker that would do that.

After doing some of this stuff will you need to sharpen the blade? Sure. Will the blade chip? No.
Will the edge have minor rolls that sharpen out? Possibly. That's all I have ever experienced. No chips, and that's what kills a knife.
 
carnifex knifeworks said:
I wouldn't worry at all. There's no feasible scenario I can think of using any CPK in that would cause failure like that. You couldn't get one to fail unless you tried...hard. Let's just think it through, regardless of whether it's magnacut or d3v:

Chopping roots or branches? No problem.

Cutting electrical wiring? Go for it.

Using it as a wedge to hammer it between nailed down boards? All good.

Destroying drywall? Do it.

Beating the spine with a rock to cut through a fallen tree to clear a path because you don't have a saw? It's been done. No, really. Someone on this forum hammered their DEK2 through a tree, using a rock, to clear a trail/path. It destroyed the scales, but the knife wasn't hurt. By the way, Nathan replaced those scales under his hard use warranty. He actually went out of his way to do it. Show me any other knife maker that would do that.

After doing some of this stuff will you need to sharpen the blade? Sure. Will the blade chip? No.
Will the edge have minor rolls that sharpen out? Possibly. That's all I have ever experienced. No chips, and that's what kills a knife.
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Just had to make a minor point;
While it's common vernacular, even beating the handle with a rock, to cut through a tree didn't "destroy" the scales.

Hammering the handle with a rock caused some damage to the scales, but even so, I would categorize it as mostly cosmetic damage, as the knife was still 100% usable as a knife, if for example, they'd needed to make a fire.

It's one of just many reasons I'm all in on CPKs. Quite a few knives out there that aren't full tang, and there are posts and videos of knives like Cold Steel's Trailmaster (used one for years as my Large Camp Knife, before getting an MC) snapping at the guard from simply being batoned through a piece of wood (and they weren't even hitting the handle with the length of wood).
 
That's fair. I went back to the original post. You're right. In my book, the scales were ruined, but you're right, not destroyed. Definitely an exaggeration on my part.

Here's the original post from the "DEK2" thread
ashevar said:
DEK2 to the rescue. I was on a group ride up around 9000' and as we were getting into snow one of the guys fell and mangled his knee. The ride back to the road was an hour slog, the way forward was a few minutes but blocked by a downed tree. Since the saw was apparently forgotten I cut, chopped, pried, and beat my way through a 12-14 inch log with the knife and a nice flat rock. other than some light scarring on the spine, some mangled scales, and an almost imperceptible edge chip from a rock inclusion it came through the abuse well.

https://imgur.com/a/YBbRbwL

I never expected to like the 2 this much, it has certainly grown on me and I am thankful I had it in my pack that day.

A little grinding and some thin CA to wick into the scale fibers in case I didn't chase the delamination far enough and it's back in the pocket.

Oh, and AFTER I was finished the rider that was carrying the saw found it in the bottom of his pack.
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carnifex knifeworks said:
CPKs magnacut is great. I have a swedged dek1 in MC. I'll say this though, with rough use the MC takes more damage than delta 3v, just like Nathan's tests showed.

I think that delta 3v may be the goldilocks zone. It's corrosion resistant, almost "stainless" in performance, has good wear resistance, excellent edge stability, and great toughness. Pretty tough to beat in my book.

I don't regret getting my DEK1 in MC, but for anyone thinking they're missing out or something, I personally wouldn't worry about it. Not because the MC is a let down or anything negative; it's more so that delta 3v is so damn good.
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I will add on top of that that the DEK1 is the Goldilocks knife. It’s sturdy enough you won’t break it without trying, cuts pretty well, big enough for most stuff you’d do with an EDC fixed blade but small enough to carry. Make it in 3V and you’ve got a go-anywhere do-most-stuff knife.
 
I think the DEK 3 ranks as my favorite of the DEKs (at least it is currently my most used), but there is something about the DEK 2 that just brings a smile. I can get behind gear that one can have unfathomable confidence that it will never fail you, and though all CPK knives could fall within that scope, the DEK 2 takes that extra step.

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Pàdruig said:
I think the DEK 3 ranks as my favorite of the DEKs (at least it is currently my most used), but there is something about the DEK 2 that just brings a smile. I can get behind gear that one can have unfathomable confidence that it will never fail you, and though all CPK knives could fall within that scope, the DEK 2 takes that extra step.

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I know what you mean about the DEK2 I was not to sure about it if I really wanted one but since I received it it been on my belt every day while my other Carothers sit.
 
XtianAus said:
Hey do you have any images of what damaged it had and what caused it?
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So here's some damage on my MC DEK1. Long story short I needed to cut a small piece/strand of hvac duct to jury rig a fix for a vent.
I didn't have proper tools, so I tried to cut through the strand with my DEK1. Normally, I would never use a knife for this.

These are pics I took with my cell phone of the damage. Nothing too crazy, but it was hard to get it to show up very well.20231012_131416.jpg20231012_131357.jpg

So I decided to magnify it and take photos. This first pic is of text on a penny to show the level of magnification.
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The magnification is pretty high. The knife was sharpened to CORRECTION: 20° per side. Here's the damage spots on the edge.

I found some additional areas that I couldn't get to show on cell phone pics. There are duplicate images using slightly different lighting/angles. No chips, only small rolls. I wish I still had my DEK1 in d3v to test in the same way.20231012_133119.jpg20231012_132930.jpg20231012_132749.jpg20231012_132559.jpg20231012_132517.jpg
 
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carnifex knifeworks said:
So here's some damage on my MC DEK1. Long story short I needed to cut a small piece/strand of hvac duct to jury rig a fix for a vent.
I didn't have proper tools, so I tried to cut through the strand with my DEK1. Normally, I would never use a knife for this.

These are pics I took with my cell phone of the damage. Nothing too crazy, but it was hard to get it to show up very well.View attachment 2353096View attachment 2353098

So I decided to magnify it and take photos. This first pic is of text on a penny to show the level of magnification.
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The magnification is pretty high. The knife was sharpened to CORRECTION: 20° per side. Here's the damage spots on the edge.

I found some additional areas that I couldn't get to show on cell phone pics. There are duplicate images using slightly different lighting/angles. No chips, only small rolls. I wish I still had my DEK1 in d3v to test in the same way.View attachment 2353102View attachment 2353103View attachment 2353104View attachment 2353105View attachment 2353106
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Considering folks have used EDCs to cut the steel bands/straps on pallets of heavy goods with no edge damage, I think the D3V would've probably fared better.

Thanks for sharing. I think the advantages of MC over D3V for most folks, is going to be in a somewhat narrower use-case.
 
bluemax_1 said:
Considering folks have used EDCs to cut the steel bands/straps on pallets of heavy goods with no edge damage, I think the D3V would've probably fared better.

Thanks for sharing. I think the advantages of MC over D3V for most folks, is going to be in a somewhat narrower use-case.
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I think that's likely correct. Nate made that pretty clear in the past in saying that MC wouldn't replace D3V, and that on the whole he still prefers D3V by a wide margin.

Not surprised...much as I think that MC is a fine choice for the spectrum it covers.
 
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