Thought this was interesting...

I don't own any ontario rats, simply because I don't respect ontario, but hey if you insult the knives, you're insulting the designers, who we all love. They cant control the conditions of production, but the design is still sound!
 
R.A.T. said:
since I have seen 3 dollar POS knives perform as well, if not better, than our own stuff in Third World.
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What!!! Can you get us a brand name of these knives? How is their warranty? Does it cover abuse? Will the knife make good fuzz sticks? Can it be batoned through railroad ties? What about rust; really do they rust? Will the knife improve my "survial skills" even if it never gets used?


;)
 
R.A.T. said:
And therein lies the whole point: I don't know that I have ever bought any knife, gun, etc from reading a review in a magazine or on a forum. I have bought gear based on the suggestion of individuals that I know use the gear in the same way I do. For the most part (not all), gear reviews are a form of entertainment and nothing more. Things like this are subjective and based on the author's opinion so I look at it the same way I do the nightly news: take from it what you want to believe and leave the rest. Personally, I don't think a lot of our knives are deserving of the praise they get in most of the reviews, since I have seen 3 dollar POS knives perform as well, if not better, than our own stuff in Third World. Our stuff is just simple tools that most anyone can make and build to perform the same as ours do. I say the ESEE following is built more around the philosophy instead of the steel. The only thing that bothered me about the review is not the fact he liked the 7 better, it's simply the fact that he doesn't know that we don't make a 7. That's sort of piss-poor journalism in my opinion but, again, it's entertainment. But that's just my opinion. BTW: the RAT-7 from Ontario is an excellent knife.
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See, I don't use the reviews, magazine, youtube or forum, to decide what I want to buy but more to get a good idea of the size and demensions of the item and the FACTS about it. Steel type, sizes, handle material.

They can be crapping all over it and it doesnt change my mind one bit.

They get the facts wrong and it was all worthless to me.

PayetteRucker said:
There's alot of hype that goes on, regardless of a product's price, quality, etc, on the internet. RAT Cutlery/ESEE whatever you want to call it does have a very solid body of loyal followers, nobody can deny that. Maybe it has come to a point where its followers have grown to a size and fanaticism that detracts from its actual down-to-earth effectiveness for the cost. I'll be the first to say that I tend to vote for the underdog, the less-known, or the different, just because the voice of the herd is usually too loud for me. I can't stand Spyderco, regardless of the quality, because every other person on this forum recommends it, no matter what the conversation, purpose, etc. The loyal Rat Cutlery crowd all knows of the difference between Ontario made RATs and Rowen made RATs. We know the difference of design, fit, finish, customer service and warranty. We preach it wherever we see someone purchasing or advocating an Ontario made product. This overshadows the fact that the Ontario made RATs, despite the lesser level of quality, are still completely capable and well made knives for rugged outdoor use.
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Honestly, you make is sound like a popularity contest. I don't let highschool politics determine my gear choices. If it's popular, it might be for a reason or it might be because of hype and the only way I know is if I use it or someone I know and respect reccomends it based on it's merits.

Spyderco is popular because the designs work for a wide range of people. That creates hype, it's a good kind of hype.

I feel the same way about ESEE, not just because I'm involved with the company but because the designs work well for me.
 
Yeah, but just be sure to drink the kool-aid! Hell, we wouldnt have it any other way. Our junk works as good as anyone else's stuff so no need to make up some super fancy stories about stuff that the end user never really cares about anyway. Does it cut? Yes. Can you hold it in your hand? Yes. Is it reasonably tough? Yes. Will it break? Yes. Well, by God, I have just explained every knife company's product in existence. Good enough for me.
 
R.A.T. said:
Yeah, but just be sure to drink the kool-aid! Hell, we wouldnt have it any other way. Our junk works as good as anyone else's stuff so no need to make up some super fancy stories about stuff that the end user never really cares about anyway. Does it cut? Yes. Can you hold it in your hand? Yes. Is it reasonably tough? Yes. Will it break? Yes. Well, by God, I have just explained every knife company's product in existence. Good enough for me.
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Such an angry man....So much rage...;)
 
When you make a claim in the public eye prepare to be scrutinized.

Youtube reviewers rank right up there with baby pageant moms for me. Sorry gang.

60k+ views on YouStupid just says somebody has far too much time on their hands to me.

As far as the "I have to hand it to him, he does a lot of camping" statement--so do homeless people.

Nutnfancy, that hockey mask guy, "reality" tv, and the countless other hacks are a product of America these days: "I'm entitled to my opinion, so the world is entitled to hear it." Which is perfectly fine. First amendment means I don't have to agree with it, I just hope they don't mind when I roll my eyes, make a fart noise and walk off.

Now, if you'll excuse me It's a lovely day; the beaches are open; and I'm going to grab my insanely overhyped RC5 (ESEE5...whatever) and go make a trap or two just for the hell of it. "Amity", as you know means "friendship."
 
My favorite brand is CoStrBuReEs. Its Middle African for tougher than a boot. The blades are forged in lava from Mt Doom and then quenched in fairy urine. Which is harvested by BOS. Amazing steel with the best warranty. If you break it they actually pay you. But you can't so it really doesn't matter.
 
I generally enjoy his vids and for the most part find them to be pretty educational and humorous. Some of his many reviews brought me in a roundabout way to ESEE and for that I am grateful. It is right to identify inaccurate statements such as his comments regarding the comparison between the knives as well as his bloated comment about hype. That being said, I am willing to forgive his ignorance now that it has been identified. Overall he's a good egg in my book. Hopefully someday he will do the right thing and retract his errant statements.
 
dinozzo said:
folders, spyderco... fixed, busse(ESEE is a close second)...:D
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ESEE is my favorite hard use, production knife company.

I guess Spyderco is my favorite folder. I have a hard time getting excited about most of their designs lately but they're still the ones I find myself always going back to. I'm holding out for the lefty para to come out.

But my favorites are the custom modern wilderness blades. Koster, NWA, Laconico being my blades of choice.
 
well what he is saying is basically he thinks the rat 7 is as good of a knife as a rc-6, which i am not totally agreeing with, but i have not handled the rat 7. and since he thinks its a good knife, he doesnt see why to pay more for what he feels is a newer model of it. plus i bet he hasnt handled the esee-6, which could leed to some misjudgment
 
nutnfancyfan said:
well what he is saying is basically he thinks the rat 7 is as good of a knife as a rc-6, which i am not totally agreeing with, but i have not handled the rat 7. and since he thinks its a good knife, he doesnt see why to pay more for what he feels is a newer model of it. plus i bet he hasnt handled the esee-6, which could leed to some misjudgment
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he's defending nutnfancy! lets get him!
 
nutnfancyfan said:
well what he is saying is basically he thinks the rat 7 is as good of a knife as a rc-6, which i am not totally agreeing with, but i have not handled the rat 7. and since he thinks its a good knife, he doesnt see why to pay more for what he feels is a newer model of it. plus i bet he hasnt handled the esee-6, which could leed to some misjudgment
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I can't speak for anyone else but I have no problems with his opinion.

I had a RAT-7 for years and it was a good blade.

It's the misquotes that bugger me.
 
I went off on a tagent that probably made me look a little foolish-oh well. I sometimes get riled up over the rc-6 not getting its fair shake but I don't think the world would be a better place without NUTNFANCY. That being said anyone will get harsh treatment when expectations are higher than shown.
 
shotgunner11 said:
I can't speak for anyone else but I have no problems with his opinion.

I had a RAT-7 for years and it was a good blade.

It's the misquotes that bugger me.
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+1:thumbup:

Every one can have an opinion...just do some research please
 
R.A.T. said:
That's sort of piss-poor journalism in my opinion but, again, it's entertainment. But that's just my opinion. BTW: the RAT-7 from Ontario is an excellent knife.
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On the other hand, his ontario rat 7 review was what eventually got me into rat cutlery / esee. The rat 7 was what came before 3 izula's an rc-3 and rc-4.
It's not too far fetched to think that might have happened more often in the past. So he probably helped spread the word about tkcfkarc (the knife company formerly know as..)

As to shotgunner's comment about having a huge fanbase and thus having high expectations and he should raise the bar: I guess you could go on about this for politicians for hours too :D

And there is a hype going on in my opinion, everybody's talking about how they are so excited about everything about rc and they do so in LARGE numbers. Just look at the Rat Pack, that's great, it's great marketing, it's a great idea, but it's a hype too :)

Yeah, it's entertainment. I like the dude. He gets on my nerves sometimes. But he gave me loads of good vids and entertainment for free, can't blame him for that.



I'm off, going to check out his video to see what it's all about.
 
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