Thoughts on the Glock 81/78

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I know this is rescued from the bottom, but since people use these old threads for reference...

If you have one of these US Army WWII vintage folding shovel sheaths,
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You may not know that the extra strap and holes are for mounting a knife, like this...

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The glock knife's sheath works well in place of the old Mark X knives or bayonet it was designed for. I keep one with my Glock knife behind the seat in my truck.
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Looks like most of the that gear is newer than WW2. I remember wearing that same gear in basic training. That was back in the 1970's
 
sabre cat said:
Looks like most of the that gear is newer than WW2. I remember wearing that same gear in basic training. That was back in the 1970's
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But it really didn't change much through the years I wore this same general stuff until MOLLE hit (2002ish for me) but yea that looks newer than WWII
 
I can not verify the WWII design, but that's what I read. I think it's m1944 0r m1945 if that relates to age?

Regardless, you see a number of them around and my point was that the glock knife fits in place of the old issued knives on that sheath.
Hope that's handy for others to know.
 
The shown entrenching tool cover with the flap and eyelets to attach a bayonet is from the M1956 series. The WWII M43 entrench tool cover did not have the bayonet attachment flap. John
 
I think that they are cool - as I do most knives but, as stated, there are better choices.

I have heard that they are good for cleaning mud from the tracks on tanks; I suppose that was a back-handed compliment.

Though of a different heritage, I would think that for the money, an Ontario or a KaBar would provide better utility and value.
 
TheDandyLion said:
I just finished the destruction test video from knife-test-noss and im wondering if any of you guys liked it or disliked it, if so Why? also what are some pros and cons of the knife as a woods blade, is a decent survival blade?

Thanks, TheDandyLion
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I like it.

It wont win a beauty contest nor is it the sharpest knife around - but they sure do WORK.

Here a thread on mine:


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-GLOCK-Field-Knife-Glass-Breaker-Modification
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The GLOCK knife with the tungsten core is spectacularly efficient.

 
Glock is just fine for getting mud out of tank tracks. Its a disposable light weight battle blade, which doesn't take up much room on ones webbing order.
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They are tough, though a bit soft and the edge doesn't hold long so requires regular maintenance. They will give you feedback as they bend before breaking, rather than harder blades that just snap without warning. They are cheap and should be $30... I buy in bulk. I throw them for sport so destroy one a year.
Soft tip from throwing into hard wood. I generally grind them off as I do the edge once beaten up:
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The handles do deteriorate if left out in the sun for years. From throwing they do eventually break up though for small dings they can be melted back in.
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They are a perfectly OK knife, but nothing fantastic. I would prefer the JP Peltonen Sissipuukko or a Terava 140 for a modest field combat/utility knife. To me a Combat knife is not just a personal tool but a team tool. Its for beating on and best if it survives a beating than snaps. Don't cry if its destroyed from digging rocks and roots out of your trench. The sharp edge is your Spyderco folder or multitool; your combat knife is for poking and prying things. Plus ten miles into a forced march is it light weight enough not to be adding to your grief?

For the home front then get something more refined.
 
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GREENJACKET said:
Glock is just fine for getting mud out of tank tracks. Its a disposable light weight battle blade, which doesn't take up much room on ones webbing order.
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They are tough, though a bit soft and the edge doesn't hold long so requires regular maintenance. They will give you feedback as they bend before breaking, rather than harder blades that just snap without warning. They are cheap and should be $30... I buy in bulk. I throw them for sport so destroy one a year.
Soft tip from throwing into hard wood. I generally grind them off as I do the edge once beaten up:
IMG_5257.jpg

The handles do deteriorate if left out in the sun for years. From throwing they do eventually break up though for small dings they can be melted back in.
IMG_5056.jpg


They are a perfectly OK knife, but nothing fantastic. I would prefer the JP Peltonen Sissipuukko or a Terava 140 for a modest field combat/utility knife. To me a Combat knife is not just a personal tool but a team tool. Its for beating on and best if it survives a beating than snaps. Don't cry if its destroyed from digging rocks and roots out of your trench. The sharp edge is your Spyderco folder or multitool; your combat knife is for poking and prying things. Plus ten miles into a forced march is it light weight enough not to be adding to your grief?

For the home front then get something more refined.
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GREENJACKET,

Did you ever had the tang getting loose/develop play in the handle from throwing?
Is the tang secure.
 
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No, the plastics just gives up from the relentless abuse. The actual tang is pretty short but the plastics well welded/moulded on. That part is there to the end. Only the cross guards get smashed and loose.

A perfectly adequate robust combat knife. They can be kept sharp from maintenance, but too soft to be a long term cutting machine that has to keep an edge for hours of cutting. But who dos that? How many things does one cut in a day? Not much, and there is a lot of time between missions to sort out kit. Expendable and repeatable, the former because they aren't expensive, the latter because hey have been about for years.

Sure there are sexier knives to be had, but not bad a choice. Forget the saw back one as the saw is useless and more trouble than its worth.
 
Ok, so the polymer handle is fixed tightly on the tang.

Even though it has the short tang. I have seen the X ray of it. Sounds very good, to withstand that amount of throwing/abuse and not being a problem for the short tang.


For a true combat knife, in the sense of ‘stabbing’, I think the Glock is a better choice than the Becker BK7 or BK9(to name a popular brand as an example) . The 9 is even worse at stabbing through layers of cloths than the BK7 which isn’t that great either.

Narrow blades are in general much better at that task.

The CRKT Hissatsu is another knife which excels at that one task. But not so much of a cutter. The Glock does cut, maybe not the best of all knives. But it does what is needed.

And like you said. How many things does one cut a day. Keeping a short ceramic rod(weighs nothing) with you is in my opinion a perfect solution to keep the edge paper slicing sharp.

Just touch it up some now and then, and it will do fine.

And yes, the Glock knives around for quite while, actually , they were around before there were Glock guns :p.
I already had one when serving in the army in 1986...
The 81 never appealed to me.
The less whistles and bells on a knife, the better.
 
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Think we are reading from the same hymn-sheet. I carry a little DMT sharpener.
I actually prefer the J.O. Peltenon (the other lying next to the Glock). Slim, tough and plenty pointy.
When I was a Cold War Worrier, I actually carried an original Cold Steel Master Tanto (it wasn't that useful), and then a CR Project II which I did love. No one in my unit carried anything quite so blade sexy!
If I was to do it all today again, I'd take a Leatherman and a Glock pistol. More than that then mission specific (Skrama or something).

Unless you ride a tank BK7/9's, or anything heavy, just never going to get off base. I would love to know what in the military you could actually use one for?? I can't think of anything a Leatherman/Spyderco couldn't do, or an entrenching tool.

On pointy things then they require a cross guard, hand stop, and just need to be long and pointy. So long as it doesn't hit something solid it doesn't take much effort. Anyhow, I'm not elaborating more on this, and think its all tactical fantasy. The Hissatu would make a better letter opener, as my FS does.
 
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I’ve had the Peltonen M95 en the M07. That double edge one I don’t know.
They are tough knives, good edge also. And yes, pointy, The Finns used their Puukko’s for ‘tactical’ stuff also.
The handle I was not as much a fan of, the ribs on it felt a little uncomfortable. Maybe it is made with the thought to use it with gloves on.

Overall great knives though.


Cold Steel Tanto I’ve had also, that was in the eighties with the famous stabbing through car door advertisement. But for practical use I’m not much of a fan of the American Tanto tip. I like smooth lines better.


Not sure for what the B7 and 9 are used for in the military either, cool factor is maybe an important factor? Feels good to have it on them. Like the tactical thing..

The Skrama, is that the hacking type of knife? Never seen it before. Looks interesting. The Chris Reeve Project II , are those serrations not a pain in use?


And on needing a crossguard.
I have stabbed the Hissatsu through many materials.
Your hand won’t slip. No chance. Neither when hitting harder objects.
I have rammed the blade full force into phone books.
No problem. Not that I ever have my hand sliding on a knife handle when stabbing. It only happened with the Large wide Cold Steel Smatchet handle.
With that my hand hit a few times against the large guard. But when that happens, it is a sign that the handle is not good.. for me.
The Puukko's being used by the Finnish soldiers in WWII didn't have a guard either, or did they? I have the idea they used their standard guardless puukko's for SHTF situations also. With succes.


The Hissatsu has a grip where the pommel and guard are a little wider than the middle part of the handle. Your hand is really locked in.
Like in the Beaver tail dagger(favorite stabber of the Native Americans), though not that pronounced.


Agreed on all this being tactical fantasy.
For most anyway. Bit like the Walking Dead ‘zombie apocalypse’.
Or maybe some kind of action against a house invader?..
Not seeing it happening soon though. But it does happen .

And there are some soldiers who might need to use it in some situations.. I read about those occasions.

They may not happen often.
But it is better to have a Hissatsu/Glock/F-S/Peltonen in those situations.
Never in my time when in the army.
Airforce security.
We only had to deal with protesters cutting the fence.
 
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Agreed on the CS MT.

CR Project II, thankfully the serrations don't get in the way as there are so few of them; they do get the cut gong on nylon rope though. I sold my CR Pacific because they did.

I've witnessed a hand riding over a small guard and had to take the casualty to hospital. Life long injury with cut tendons. All that power and the blade stops dead, then that hand will break and have to go somewhere. It does require a substantial guard to stop.

Can't see the point of having such small pointy things. Give me something bigger... to pole axe, cave in, the adversary.
(I know how lethal pointy things are, as I regularly use the technique on game animals).

Anyhow, out from me on this one.
 
I know of someone who cut his tendons in the hand by only putting the Condor Combat machete back in the sheath, in the dark. Many surgeries on his hand and it still isn't as good as before.

Anyway , I do have confidence in the handle of the Hissatsu. Totally. But... from my experience. Can't speak for others. Some people may be better off by sticking to hammers and clubs . Not that I never cut myself.. But nothing major yet (knock on wood)


Agreed on small pointy things. But I would pick a spear over any other bladed weapon. The point aimed at the opponent. No need for timing your strike right as is the case with an axe or warhammer. He comes at you. just stick it in. Game over. The spear dominates.(not against the gun ofcourse).
But a pole axe with a point on top... it's hard to beat that one.

And yes small pointy stuff are deadly. And you don't need a lot of space to carry it with you. Everything is a trade off (in life). I have had spears. Too large and too offensive looking in the house. I don't need that.

Btw, I didn't see a pic of a damaged/used M95 in the pics. How well would that one last when thrown. It has rubber molded over the tang. The handle may work loose easy when throw often?

Take care.
 
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GREENJACKET said:
Glock is just fine for getting mud out of tank tracks. Its a disposable light weight battle blade, which doesn't take up much room on ones webbing order.
IMGP4435.jpg



They are tough, though a bit soft and the edge doesn't hold long so requires regular maintenance. They will give you feedback as they bend before breaking, rather than harder blades that just snap without warning. They are cheap and should be $30... I buy in bulk. I throw them for sport so destroy one a year.
Soft tip from throwing into hard wood. I generally grind them off as I do the edge once beaten up:
IMG_5257.jpg

The handles do deteriorate if left out in the sun for years. From throwing they do eventually break up though for small dings they can be melted back in.
IMG_5056.jpg


They are a perfectly OK knife, but nothing fantastic. I would prefer the JP Peltonen Sissipuukko or a Terava 140 for a modest field combat/utility knife. To me a Combat knife is not just a personal tool but a team tool. Its for beating on and best if it survives a beating than snaps. Don't cry if its destroyed from digging rocks and roots out of your trench. The sharp edge is your Spyderco folder or multitool; your combat knife is for poking and prying things. Plus ten miles into a forced march is it light weight enough not to be adding to your grief?

For the home front then get something more refined.
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Thanks ! Great post . I especially like your pics and info on the throwing .
 
I don't throw my M95. I gave it a couple of throws to see how it would but stopped when the tip showed some bend, which is why I suspect they are on the softer side. Mine are the old model, I have no idea with the new design and most resent offerings.
On the softer side is good as then they generally won't snap. Sharpening is easy, broken is broken.

Spear, fixed bayonet, its all pointy stuff. For all my travels I've never been threatened with a knife, nor found reason to carry one for defence. Its all so unlikely. If I was to be attacked then I either wouldn't see it coming, or I'd do my best with a thumb in their eye. I'm 51 and it hasn't happened yet. Its been a long time since I was tactically aware.
 
GREENJACKET said:
I don't throw my M95. I gave it a couple of throws to see how it would but stopped when the tip showed some bend, which is why I suspect they are on the softer side. Mine are the old model, I have no idea with the new design and most resent offerings.
On the softer side is good as then they generally won't snap. Sharpening is easy, broken is broken.

Spear, fixed bayonet, its all pointy stuff. For all my travels I've never been threatened with a knife, nor found reason to carry one for defence. Its all so unlikely. If I was to be attacked then I either wouldn't see it coming, or I'd do my best with a thumb in their eye. I'm 51 and it hasn't happened yet. Its been a long time since I was tactically aware.
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;) You maybe are luckier than me or just less obnoxious . I was threatened with knives three or four times before graduating high school . Never went beyond posturing but plenty terrifying none the less :eek:. I'm past 65 but still somewhat paranoid . I don't usually carry a gun anymore , but always two knives with capability of utility or self-defense . My cane is the "primary " . My dogs are always "tactically aware" , so that I may daydream . I practice throwing knives and stuff primarily for fun . :p
 
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