Tidings and the return of Schatt and Morgan?

I'm curious, did any one purchase a Cooper with the Ax? If so, how was the quality? I see some on ebay selling from 119 - 159.

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Can anyone please remind from which year S&M started to make mediocre quality knives? Was it around 2011?
 
Probably the beginning of the end starts with when Bill Howard leaves and starts GEC. Its a slow decent as I do remember going after a lot of S&M knives.
 
mrknife said:
Probably the beginning of the end starts with when Bill Howard leaves and starts GEC. Its a slow decent as I do remember going after a lot of S&M knives.
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So 2006. But dealers who sold models of 2008, for example, claimed the knives were still good in that year. Hence my initial question. Then when it was totally ruined?
 
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Alex.Y. said:
So 2006. But dealers who sold models of 2008, for example, claimed the knives were still good in that year. Hence my initial question. Then when it was totally ruined?
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Never.

There are no absolutes with any company’s knives. There were poor knives under Howard and good knives under Daniels. Even within a year’s pattern there are bad, OK, better, best versions of the same knife. Man is flawed thus man-made knives are flawed too. Dealers make up stuff to move knives and some got off on pissing on Queen products and at times Case as well. Truth is the knife in hand.
 
Alex.Y. said:
So 2006. But dealers who sold models of 2008, for example, claimed the knives were still good in that year. Hence my initial question. Then when it was totally ruined?
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I can't pinpoint an exact point in time..... BUT, I can definitely say that the average knife made after 2010 isn't up to the same level as the average knife made before 2010..... And this is from observation of approximately 100 Schatt and Morgan's that I own...
 
Agreed again. And Dave, Brent and I have all had a very representative number and diversity of Queens to form an accurate opinion. Personally, I think the S&Ms from about 1992 through the early 2000s are, on the whole, as good as any factory-made knives I've handled.
 
I've personally witnessed how much knowtracks knowtracks collects Queen/S&M knives at a rendezvous so i do not doubt his knowledge on the subject. I've also owned knives from that period, or rather knives made around that era of supposed decline. Theyre one of the few companies who do a pretty good single blade trapper. Even had a whole bunch from this era too, but darn D2 is hard to sharpen and maintain. It did get to a point where a shield fell off the knife out of the package and another the blade was so proud that even after modifying it i just let it go. That was when I sold off most of my Queen/S&M knives.
 
Don't remember the exact dates (@2007), but the Heritage Series was their first product line that signaled a failing quality control. They were throwbacks to 100 year old patterns, so they were a moderate value. But the issues started in that series.
 
knifeswapper said:
Don't remember the exact dates (@2007), but the Heritage Series was their first product line that signaled a failing quality control. They were throwbacks to 100 year old patterns, so they were a moderate value. But the issues started in that series.
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but those sure were fun knives you could stick in your pocket and not worry about babying. They didnt look great and were overall just functional.
 
The Heritage Series knives were from 2011, S&M branded, while the Queen branded knives at the same time were in curly zebrawood. I never owned a Heritage Series knife, but I've owned close to a dozen of the Queen curly zebrawoods, and they were the beginning of the decline. Still good, but not very good, as they were previously, and less consistent. The Heritage Series bone had some nice "Rogers style" jigging and carbon steel blades.
 
It was a shame about the Heritage Series. David had it set up to continue after the Keystone Series and run for 20 years. But the Daniel's decided not to continue it. With all the different patterns in those 2 old catalogs it could have run for a long time.
Ahhh, what could have been. ......


Dave
 
On the whole I liked the Heritage series and with better finish could've been a magnificent chapter. The Woodsman Stock knife has weak snap and ridiculously disproportional tangs, huge, but it looked OK. The others I have are nice knives to own and I'm glad to have them. What came later during the Daniels regime was much poorer in my experience.

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