Tired of Spyderco Lack of QC

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Seems like there are a lot of valid points being made here on both sides of the coin... I hope the boys at Spyderco are keeping an eye on this thread, could be a real eye-opener for the company.
 
hoopster said:
I don't consider an off center blade on the liner and frame lock spyderco's an issue. I haven't had one yet that couldn't be corrected in 5 minutes. I've owned probably close to 20 spyderco's and the only one that even had a mark at all was the Lum Chinese from Japan. It also had the clip screws strip out the first time I carried it but spyderco sent me new ones, I loctited them in and problem solved.
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I can center the blade on a Military or G-10 non-liner Spyderco, but on my Police 3 and this new Resilience, how do you do it hoopster? I'd love to know if you'd be so kind to post. When I asked Sal if it could be done he said it couldn't on a Police3 (SS lined) folder and to send it in.

I can't help if it aggravates you guys, I have no axe to grind and desperately want good Spydercos or I wouldn't keep buying them. Perhaps I should have posted like a humble sheeple but I get so d*mn mad with Spyderco blade centering issues and now these last two with stripped screws that I vented.

I can't help it if the torx screws were stripped in advance on the last Military and the blade would just fly open like a gravity knife and not have a solid lock-up. :(

I bought all of these from one of the most recommended vendors on the forum for knives too. I couldn't bear to disclose the name though, I've bought a lot of really good knives from his company website.
 
Have you tried this Cziv?


I have tried this on liner locks before but never on lockbacks. If you are just a little competent with tools and using them, this one is worth a try.

1. With the folder closed, wedge a folded piece of paper between the blade and the side of the handle that you want to move it away from.

2. With the wedge in place, loosen the pivot and the scale screws. Don't remove any of the screws, just loosen them.

3. Without doing anything else, tighten the pivot and the scale screws. This might be a good time to put locktite on the screws.

4. Adjust the pivot to your desired tension.
 
Chuck, I've never held a police or resilience but if the resilience is a liner lock, it should be just as easy as a military. I Just hold the lock in while the blade swings freely. Then tighten the pivot screw until you get no side to side wobble.
Test the wobble with the blade fully open but the lock disengaged. An engaged lock will hide some wobble.
It's a fine line between a pivot being to tight to be smooth and loose enough for wobble.

After it's perfect in that regard, if the blade is still off center, try loosening all the hardware, centering the blade a little (similar to what singularity35 described) and re-tightening everything with the blade centered.

If that still doesn't work, take the knife apart and slightly bend one or both liners in the appropriate direction and reassemble. Usually that's all that's needed. I've never used paper or any type of shim.

Hope that helps.
 
24 Spyderco knives over a twenty year period with no problems. And I am somewhat picky. Maybe I'm just lucky but I think Spyderco has excellent quality control and long term durability.
 
hoopster said:
Chuck, I've never held a police or resilience but if the resilience is a liner lock, it should be just as easy as a military. I Just hold the lock in while the blade swings freely. Then tighten the pivot screw until you get no side to side wobble.
Test the wobble with the blade fully open but the lock disengaged. An engaged lock will hide some wobble.
It's a fine line between a pivot being to tight to be smooth and loose enough for wobble.

After it's perfect in that regard, if the blade is still off center, try loosening all the hardware, centering the blade a little (similar to what singularity35 described) and re-tightening everything with the blade centered.

If that still doesn't work, take the knife apart and slightly bend one or both liners in the appropriate direction and reassemble. Usually that's all that's needed. I've never used paper or any type of shim.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks singularity35 is describing the classic "non SS lined" blade centering trick used on the Military - I already tried that and no luck. The SS liners make a huge difference. I'll re-read your descriiption a couple of times as I think the only way to fix this would be to slightly bend a liner. Thanks guys. :thumbup:

BTW, the Resiliience is whacky inside - it has a nylon and bronze washer on one side and two bronze washers on the other. All different sizes!
 
I have had some quality control issues with about 50% of them have off center blades, side to side play and stripped screws.
 
Sal is not just an industry leader but a leader on a lot of good, fundamental, human levels. :) However, the only person on his level who's ever felt he needed to pick up the phone and talk to me to answer questions was Chris Reeve. :thumbup:

cziv said:
Nope they don't like me there either because I told them I didn't like my new large 21 and that Chris Reeve, unlike Sal, doesn't listen to his customer base.

I loved and still love 2 Spydercos that I have right now. But I've had problems with several of them, which I described in detail and I just can't handle the disappointment after disappointment. I suppose I think that QC has been going downhill but that may not be the case? I don't know. I'll get a satisfactory Military G-10 in S30V plain edge and my Spydercos will be over.

I'll be very happy with my Centofante 3, Endura 4 G-10, and a Military (oops forgot my new "mega beater": Resilience). There's lot's of other knives to buy out there gents and 4 Spydercos is a repectable showing, don't you think? :)

I like Spyderco, Sal is a class act, who has bothered to answer questions for me via PM. I love the knives, the creative concepts, the new exotic steels, there's so much to like about Spydercom but I always seem to get a boned up model and it's been getting worse lately, (I've sold & traded some in the past that I should have kept).

What's the good IMO to get all jazzed up for a new model or a replacement of one that's been gifted or sold and get a real clunker for higher prices now?

As far as getting beat down? That's okay, at least the beaters are leaving some poor guy alone who can't take it as well. I didn't expect a warm welcome, but I did expect some others would have had the same issues. Must be BAD luck, everyone else is having great luck. :thumbup: :D
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No not just bad luck. Got a very faulty persistence in the mail recently. Maybe an issue with this line of Tenacious style knives? I posted some pictures as well. Got flamed harder by the fan boys because I was not as civil as you were haha.
 
edcrefiner said:
No not just bad luck. Got a very faulty persistence in the mail recently. Maybe an issue with this line of Tenacious style knives? I posted some pictures as well. Got flamed harder by the fan boys because I was not as civil as you were haha.
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Keep shopping at Amazon to save $2:thumbup:
 
Oddly enough, all of the Spyderco knives that I've had issues with were made in the US. I received 3 or 4 Militarys in a row with bad liner locks. All of my Seki models have been fine. I still buy Spydercos.
 
RevDevil said:
Keep shopping at Amazon to save $2:thumbup:
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Don't need anymore smart comments RevDevil. I think you flamed enough people today. I had enough of it from you ;) thanks.

In all seriousness I think I will look elsewhere other than Amazon for knives. My free 2 day shipping just made it way too temping.
 
edcrefiner said:
Don't need anymore smart comments RevDevil. I think you flamed enough people today. I had enough of it from you ;) thanks.

In all seriousness I think I will look elsewhere other than Amazon for knives. My free 2 day shipping just made it way too temping.
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No flaming at all. Just asking questions for the most part. Trying to better understand the issues.:cool:
 
Its the same issues everyone seems to have, not everyone like their job, not everyone is picky about quality (even those doing QC), supply and demand, customers always wanting a new product, and the one I think causes most problems.... "do it faster".

I seem to have bad luck like you Cziv, nearly every knife I've ever purchased has had some problem. My militarys have been pretty flawless but my LH millie has some deformed clip screws that's not even the shape of a torx and my endura has a OK fit on the lock but not one to be trusted. I'm two for two with BM on F&F and blade HT. Poor grinds on a BRKT. And though KAI is treating me like a king I still had to send my 551 back for the second time.

So your not alone with getting a knife that was built on a Friday.

I've stopped getting mad when I have issues with a blade and because I buy from good makers (spyderco included) I know if I have a problem it will be handled. Sometimes you just gotta suck it up and realize your standards are not the same as everyone elses. Sucks but its true.
 
cziv said:
Am I having bad luck, bad attitude, or do all of you Spyderco owners get the same cr*p I do and just don't get upset about it?
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Hard to attribute it to bad luck, that would be really really bad luck. Attitude may exaggerate how you react to them, but it doesn't create the problems. :D

Really very surprising to me to even see the QC question raised with Spyderco. I gave up on Benchmade for much the same sort of QC (and other) issues. I moved on to Spyderco and have been totally pleased.
Over the last year I've puchased 15+ spydies of various types (QB, Para2, P3, Stretch, etc) and have not had a single problem. Ok, I have a Barong with less dentent than I would like. Blade centering was perfect or near perfect, f&f was good to exceptional on every one.
They were purchased from various online dealers (NGK, KW, KC) and several from AMAZON (and all the Amazon buys were just fine).
 
i've only had one spyderco that came with a major problem from the factory. Sal's people fixed me up right away.
 
Alann45 said:
Hard to attribute it to bad luck, that would be really really bad luck. Attitude may exaggerate how you react to them, but it doesn't create the problems. :D

Really very surprising to me to even see the QC question raised with Spyderco. I gave up on Benchmade for much the same sort of QC (and other) issues. I moved on to Spyderco and have been totally pleased.
Over the last year I've puchased 15+ spydies of various types (QB, Para2, P3, Stretch, etc) and have not had a single problem. Ok, I have a Barong with less dentent than I would like. Blade centering was perfect or near perfect, f&f was good to exceptional on every one.
They were purchased from various online dealers (NGK, KW, KC) and several from AMAZON (and all the Amazon buys were just fine).
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See, now there you go. :) I've bought 8 Benchmades in the past 2 years and they're all blue class and all perfect - I mean flawless in every way that I've mentioned here and more. The blades aren't ground as thin as a Spyderco but one of those blunt little 940's slices copy paper ( & my knuckle once) just as easily as my hollow gound Centofante. :thumbup:
 
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