Top Ten Observations To Date

[Guyon]

CheetahSpeed, can I ask what your original purpose was in terms of posting this thread? I can't help but notice you have only 20 posts on BF and over 10 of them are in this thread alone.

If it's more about *not* getting a Busse when you tried, then maybe you're going about it the wrong way. Stick around, make a connection or two, and ask nice. Chances are, someone'll help you out. I missed the Fire Wardens. Someone covered me. Why? Maybe because I actually participate in this community and (perhaps if you believe in karma) I've passed along knives in the same fashion.

If you're looking for information and dialogue as you purport to be, that's fine. As you can see, people have been happy to help you on that front. But there are better ways of asking than coming in with a list of ten accusations about an established community.

If you don't buy a Busse and try it, I imagine Busse will survive. Really, if you are sincerely interested in these knives, it'll be more your loss than the company's if you decide to go somewhere else for your hard-use knife.

All that said, welcome to Bladeforums. It's a good place with knowledgeable folks who are, for the most part, happy to help out.

 

[CheetahSpeed]

Basically, "I might honour you with my presence in this club but before that you will need to change so and so".

I shall take this as you opinion or judgement on the words which I chose to write. I do not see these words written anywhere in my original post.

Does that make him happy? No, he packs it all in a neat bunch and throws it back in our face.

Once again, I gather this is more of your opinion or judgement on the matter as well. As stated in my preface, I own these opinions and you are totally free to disagree.

Morimotom is a little defensive? CS almost throws a tantrum.

I find this interesting given the fact that there are only words on a screen. It seems that the less than 10% of communication, words that is, are more relevant than most speech communication specialists theorize. Oh well, seems tone of voice and expressions are way over rated in this case for you.

I believe it's a telling sign that this forum decided to ban a specific smilie: it had no place here.
From what he has shown tonight, I would say neither does CS.

No problem. The 5 ton guerilla attitude of beating someone into submission just doesn't work for me.

(edit: see another reason I do not consider myself a piglet. None of them rejected you. I am quite prepared to do it. Shows I need to learn)

Congratulations on being so noble.

SJ, Pardon me for sharing my observations. I apologize for any inconvenience that it may have caused you or any of your Busse friends.

 

[flatlander]

CS- What is it specifically you're looking for?

Bob

 

[CheetahSpeed]

Eric,
Thanks for some of your perspective. I might not agree with all you have stated and your insights are well taken.
BTW, thanks for your offer!! :thumbup:

Guyon,
Don't try to read too much into this. My preface states it all, IMO. They are my mere observations that I chose to share.
You are correct, Busse will survive with or without me. And I believe that I will survive with or without Busse.
Thanks for taking the time to put in your input. Points well taken.

CS

 

[saltgrassbear]

Cheetah,

Give Jerry a call. He'll talk to you personally, and you'll go away a waiting to buy your first infi hog. The first time I talked with Jerry, you would have thought I had already bought a hundred of his knives, but I hadn't bought one yet. The guy is just a real person, and he just happens to make great knives.

Just remember to buy when they are introduced. Don't wait for the secondary market and you'll get a great deal.

SALTGRASSBEAR

 

[Guyon]

Cheetah,

Give Jerry a call. He'll talk to you personally, and you'll go away a waiting to buy your first infi hog. The first time I talked with Jerry, you would have thought I had already bought a hundred of his knives, but I hadn't bought one yet. The guy is just a real person, and he just happens to make great knives.

Just remember to buy when they are introduced. Don't wait for the secondary market and you'll get a great deal.

SALTGRASSBEAR

Almost a year and a half and only 13 posts. That's what I call a lurking STEALTH HOG!!!

We may have found a burgeoning black hole of Bussedom.

 

[Guyon]

Guyon,
Don't try to read too much into this. My preface states it all, IMO. They are my mere observations that I chose to share.
You are correct, Busse will survive with or without me. And I believe that I will survive with or without Busse.
Thanks for taking the time to put in your input. Points well taken.

CS

CS, I guess I just have a hard time understanding why anyone would go into a foreign space and post the kinds of things you posted. Even though each begins with a qualification of "There appears," each is nonetheless clearly an accusation. One that says, "I don't like your community, and here's why."

Not terribly polite and certainly afforded by the anonymity of the Internet. Or do you do the same sort of thing in your immediate world? When you visit a new house, do you immediately begin pointing out things to the owners that you dislike?

My post was more about simple manners than about your relationship with Busse. It seemed that the original post was really intended to provoke and inflame rather than produce dialogue.

I'm not a fan of other knife brands featured in a separate forum here, but I don't enter that community's space and start pointing out what I see as faults with the company and user base. To me, that's just bad form.

 

[westllen]

CS, I guess I just have a hard time understanding why anyone would go into a foreign space and post the kinds of things you posted. Even though each begins with a qualification of "There appears," each is nonetheless clearly an accusation. One that says, "I don't like your community, and here's why."

Not terribly polite and certainly afforded by the anonymity of the Internet. Or do you do the same sort of thing in your immediate world? When you visit a new house, do you immediately begin pointing out things to the owners that you dislike?

My post was more about simple manners than about your relationship with Busse. It seemed that the original post was really intended to provoke and inflame rather than produce dialogue.

I'm not a fan of other knife brands featured in a separate forum here, but I don't enter that community's space and start pointing out what I see as faults with the company and user base. To me, that's just bad form.

THANK YOU!:thumbup:

 

[aaronjayl]

CS I know this place can seem pretty intimidating from the outside but, hang around and join in the conversations. Get to really know the people here before you pass judgment. You will not find a better group of people in any other public forum. As for the knives? They speak for themselves. Get one and beat one. AND MAKE SURE TO POST PICS! Before you know it you will buy another and another and another. Then your money will most likely start to dry up but the pull of INFI is strong and you will need more. So, you will get a Gold membership and start selling old pieces so that you can buy more. Before you know it, 6 months or a year will have passed. Then someone will come along and post a similar thread to this one that you have started. However, the times have changed and you're a full blown INFI addict now. You will have seen a similar thread posted at least every couple weeks. Then you will reflect back to this thread with a whole new light

"NO REGRETS!"

 

[Saint-Just]

CS, I guess I just have a hard time understanding why anyone would go into a foreign space and post the kinds of things you posted. Even though each begins with a qualification of "There appears," each is nonetheless clearly an accusation. One that says, "I don't like your community, and here's why."

Not terribly polite and certainly afforded by the anonymity of the Internet. Or do you do the same sort of thing in your immediate world? When you visit a new house, do you immediately begin pointing out things to the owners that you dislike?

My post was more about simple manners than about your relationship with Busse. It seemed that the original post was really intended to provoke and inflame rather than produce dialogue.

I'm not a fan of other knife brands featured in a separate forum here, but I don't enter that community's space and start pointing out what I see as faults with the company and user base. To me, that's just bad form.

I tried to say that but used more words to a lesser effect. Only excuse I can think of is English is not mother tongue. Thank you for posting that. This kind of attitude has a name: it is called trolling. That is why I didn't bother replying to him.

 

[C. STORR]

#11: Appearances can be deceiving :thumbup: Welcome! Hope you find a Busse that catches your fancy and you use it often...

 

[MikeH]

Kim resents being called a Busse "good old boy". She would be ok with "good ol' gal", though.

The Busse Three Finger Knife she is holding was an anonymous
gift from one of those self-serving, out for profit, "good old boys" who has never made himself known. A sorry lot, eh?

She is a hit and run victim who cannot walk or talk. The love, acceptance, and generocity of the Busses and the Hogs toward her has been overwhelming. She stands to inherit a modest Busse collection from ol' dad, as I buy them but can't bear to part with them.

 

[Lil' Foo]

CS, I guess I just have a hard time understanding why anyone would go into a foreign space and post the kinds of things you posted. Even though each begins with a qualification of "There appears," each is nonetheless clearly an accusation. One that says, "I don't like your community, and here's why."

Not terribly polite and certainly afforded by the anonymity of the Internet. Or do you do the same sort of thing in your immediate world? When you visit a new house, do you immediately begin pointing out things to the owners that you dislike?

My post was more about simple manners than about your relationship with Busse. It seemed that the original post was really intended to provoke and inflame rather than produce dialogue.

I'm not a fan of other knife brands featured in a separate forum here, but I don't enter that community's space and start pointing out what I see as faults with the company and user base. To me, that's just bad form.

Thanks Guyon... well said! I've been watching this thread from the beginning... my initial thought was that it was a piglet or a hog under a diff screen name just joking and stirring the pot. I no longer believe this is the case, and CS is in fact real. But I can't figure out what the true intent behind this thread/post is?!?!?!?

So CS... what are you really after here??? I am neither for you nor against you, all I ask, is that you don't come into our house and piss all over everything and tell me it's only raining! If you want help in learning about Busse, acquiring INFI… there are plenty of folks here (including myself) that are willing to help you… if you want to bash, or flame… that’s fine too, but do it out-right… stand up and say “ya’ll are just whacked!”… but be prepared for the trample of hooves.

 

[leatherman]

oops! my bad, we've got a bunch of good ol boys and a few good ol gals!

Kim is too much of an inspiration to be forgotten.

 

[Guyon]

I tried to say that but used more words to a lesser effect. Only excuse I can think of is English is not mother tongue. Thank you for posting that. This kind of attitude has a name: it is called trolling. That is why I didn't bother replying to him.

You said it just fine, SJ. I just missed your post.

 

[Eric Isaacson]

Eric,
Thanks for some of your perspective. I might not agree with all you have stated and your insights are well taken.
BTW, thanks for your offer!! :thumbup:
CS

Feel free to take me up on the offer and drop me a note. I'll be happy to help. As far as sharing my perspective, that is not what I was doing. I was sharing the truth. Truth isn't relative, it is just true.

 

[kbuzbee]

Pour yourself a drink and stick around for a while. . . If you don't want to stick around then how about pouring me a drink???


Jerry

Jerry, I'll stick around but there is a drink waiting here for you anytime you're in the neighborhood. More likely to be Bourbon, though.... Stagg or Tribute, your preference (unless it's Laphroaig!)... if that'll work??

Ken:thumbup:

 

[OldPhysics]

Whew.

People do get worked up.

I'm just here to have fun, meet new people, and de-stress. If I pick up a few great knives -- wonderful! If not, it was still fun.

Certainly not trying to take anything away from anyone. I have a very good internet connection...and I sometimes can't sleep well at night (I have a lot on my mind)...so I've done well at the last two Company Store Events. I kept one GW of each kind and let the others go at cost or traded them straight up for other GWs.

It was fun. It was even more fun to help other folks, especially folks in a disadvantaged situation. People who ask for help get it. The only profit I'm looking for is a psychic one -- I really enjoy helping people out. I guess you'd have to know my career and be a part of my professional community to understand why this feels so good. Where I come from, things are pretty cut-throat.

Like Tony G, Mrs. OP and I are doing just fine. That's why I can afford this addiction. Mrs. OP helps me keep it in perspective...

So. I intend to blame Porkerson and keep on truckin'.

 

[Evolute]

I haven't read through all of the answers, so excuse me if I repeat what others have already said. I'll try to respond to your observations, on the chance that you're not a troll.

10. There appears to be a substanital amount of hype about knives coming to the Busse Company Store...

I don't agree with the usage of the word "hype". Hype implies that the knives do not perform as advertised. In my experience, they do.

...and only the privileged few are able to actually get a knife after hours of what they call fun doing the F5 thing.

That hasn't been my experience, either. I've snagged every Busse knife I've ever tried to get, without ever doing the F5 thing, or making any extraordinary efforts. I think the F5 thing is somewhat of a joke/myth.

9. There appears to be a number of individuals that seek attention or use what I shall call the show off mentality of trying to better another members Busse knife collection or a certain Busse Combat knife.

Perhaps. I don't have the psychic powers to read others intentions, that way. I like to think of people as just sharing pictures of knives with others who enjoy seeing them. I wouldn't find it surprising if some of them were doing it for attention seeking purposes... nor would I care. I'm not sure why I should.

8. There appears to be a certain amount of secrecy or unrevealed information to the public about Busse Combat knife production and actual quanities of their so called Busse Variants.

Of course there is a certain amount of knife production information that Busse Combat doesn't reveal to the public. I've never offered anybody a detailed report of the operations of my business, either.

In regard to the number of variants, Jerry Busse often gives specific numbers... but not always.

7. There appears to be a number of what I shall call stories made up about reasons for selling a Busse or reasons for a person's interest in Busse Combat knives or reasons an individual's knife is better than anyone elses, etc.

Your "observation" is not specific enough to answer meaningfully. If you are implying that the performance claims are overrated, you are mistaken. Busse knives really do perform quite well. Further, Jerry Busse has done more than anyone else in the industry to back up his performance claims for his knives, including showing performance videos on his website, doing many live and public demonstrations at many knife shows, offering friendly challenges to all other knifemakers, discussing candidly on his forums, etc.

6. There appears to be a number of so called Busse Combat knife fans that buy from Busse Company Store only to turn around and sell them.

Again, I don't have the psychic powers to divine the motives of others, but that does appear to be an accurate assessment. If you are bringing this up as a complaint, then I'd like to hear specifically what about this you take issue with.

5. There appears to be what I shall call the good ole' boy system in amongst the old time Busse Hogs.

I'm not sure I catch your meaning. If you are suggesting that I treat my long-time friends in a friendlier way than strangers entirely new to me, then I'd say you're probably right. For example, I prefer to engage in knife transactions with people I know and trust, rather than strangers I know nothing about. Again, if you are bringing this up as a complaint, then I'd like to hear specifically what about this you take issue with.

4. There appears to be a number of old time collectors that are not regularly participating members on the forum.

Yes.

3. There appears to be a substantial amount of what I shall call the "buddy" system amongst certain individuals in the effort to assist each other with sales of Busse Combat knives.

I need greater specificity, in order to know what you are referring to.

2. There appears to be a number of individuals into Busse Combat knives for the sole purpose of making a buck and not as an enthusiast of Busse Combat knives.

Perhaps. I imagine there are people who seek profit through arbitrage of Busse knives.

I would be surprised if these people are not enthusiasts, however. In order to succeed as an arbitrager, one needs to learn, know, and keep up with your market. This requires some time and effort, and is therefore usually only done (at least for the long term) by those with an interest.

1. There appears to be a number of individuals into Busse for the mere benefit of themselves and not as collectors. This is what I shall call the "What's In It For Me" of "It's All About Me" mentality.

I suppose I fall into this category. I must confess that I acquire Busse knives for actual use and not for collection purposes. When I consider a potential purchase of a Busse knife, my sole consideration is what use this tool will have for me. You would likely observe that I am completely self-centered in my Busse knife purchasing decisions (though I do sometimes give them to people I care about).

I didn't realize that collecting them... and doing it for altruistic purposes... was the highest goal with Busse knife purchases. In fact, I still don't realize it. It sounds pretty bizarre and implausible to me.

 

[Progunner]

4. There appears to be a number of old time collectors that are not regularly participating members on the forum.

Yes.

You know, I have had some time to mull a lot of this stuff over and this one has jumped out at me. There are a lot of old timers who don't participate because it seems that some of the new blood has soured it for them. I'm not saying all the new guys are bad, but there are some that rub me the wrong way. Being a mod, I think I have been pretty good at being even handed and not smacking any of these guys down either. I would challenge anyone here to stand up and say "Hey that Progunner is an A hole and he has got it out for me" and be able to prove it. All the back biting that goes on after someone posts this sort of thread is what really sours things for me. I have invested a good deal of time and money in my collecting experiences. I can tell you one thing, if you didn't spend much time here and really get to know the poeple here and how they truly interact, I could see you coming away with an unrealistic image. It doesn't make your image right or properly informed though. So I ask all who come here, don't start throwing stones at folks with whom you only having a passing familiarity and then expect to walk away without people getting stressed. I look at a lot of these guys as buddies, heck some of them are darned close friends that I may only get to see once a year. So as a general address to all, if you don't normally come here and you only come to say what you don't like about things, don't expect anyone to bend over backwards to offer you a hand. Expect to be treated like a troll.

Now,let's get back to showing our knives, talking about them, cigars, booze and whatever else trips out triggers (keep the t&a in the w&c though).