Toughest Folder on Earth

The strongest folder on earth will be here as soon as busse releases their folder to the public, I think it will be the strongest bar none. But my vote would have to go with a Strider SMF or one of the Darrel Ralphs possible the gunhammer. No experience with Airkat so cant say.
 
thebladeguy said:
The extrema ratio folders are a 1/4 inch thick steel they are considered some of the toughest folders out there. Strider folders are very tough.
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From my personal experience, I would rate my Extrema Ratio Nemesis as tough as my Strider SnG, but the Strider cuts like a razor.
 
Strength in a folder is not so much a function of blade thickness. Most folders will fail at the pivot or stop well before the blade breaks. The lock and pivots are much more important. I would say that once you get to 0.15 inch blade thickness you are good there. As for locks backlock is way sturdier than liner lock. Frame locks are fine, but I still think the backlock is better. Hand pressure is not required to keep it locked.

Microtech has a habit of making their liners as thick as most framelocks, so they are decent.

but for the money, I don't think that the Spyderco Manix and Chinook can be beat. They are thick blades, one of the strongest locks on the market and g10 over double liners.

A Balisong made to be stout instead of light and fast could quite well be the toughest knife ever made. Most aren't made for strength and are way overpriced. Artsy fartsy stuff rules the folding knife market unfortunately. I have no use for pretty knives.
 
Let's be objective here. Many of us love our Striders, our Manixes, our Sebbies...

But the Extrema Ratio MPC is basically a sharpened crowbar. It won't cut as well because of the blade being so thick. But comparing it to a Strider or Manix, I would have to say that the ER is the toughest folder if you are going to hammer it, pry with it, and generally use it in a way that folders are not meant to be used.

It isn't my favorite tough knife -- that would be the Striders or the Manix -- but it seems like the toughest. Even the locking mechanism is obviously extremely strong and the overall knife is incredibly beefy. Probably twice as heavy as the other knives.

If I were going to have to cut and pry my way out of a train wreck, this is the knife I'd want with me.
 
If you want to have a good knife, you won't have a prybar. If you want a prybar, you won't have a good knife. Just keep that in mind.
A sharpened prybar will cut, but not as well as a good knife. And that's why you want a knife, right ? To cut ?
 
cognitivefun said:
Let's be objective here. Many of us love our Striders, our Manixes, our Sebbies...

But the Extrema Ratio MPC is basically a sharpened crowbar. It won't cut as well because of the blade being so thick. But comparing it to a Strider or Manix, I would have to say that the ER is the toughest folder if you are going to hammer it, pry with it, and generally use it in a way that folders are not meant to be used.
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I agree that it is a sharpened pry bar. What makes it even worse is that the blade is not very wide but it is very thick, so the angle is even worse than other blades of the same thickness. I have heard that people have had trouble getting a good edge on it.

The ergonomics of it are another massive complaint. It is one of the worst handling folders I have ever held.
 
Strider, Darrell Ralph's Gunhammer and have you looked atthe AXD NG? Airkat Tripwire's look wicked tough. I think DMKnives knives are tanks!!
 
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Cobalt said:
What makes it even worse is that the blade is not very wide but it is very thick, so the angle is even worse than other blades of the same thickness.
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It is also sabre ground, the grind is just foolish. You don't even need 1/4" thick stock with that length of blade, let alone having most of the blade at full stock.

I have heard that people have had trouble getting a good edge on it.
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Sharpening it isn't a problem, but even when razor sharp you are looking at a small fraction of the cutting performance of something like the Manix, three to four times as much force needs to be applied with the Fulcrum.

The ergonomics of it are another massive complaint. It is one of the worst handling folders I have ever held.
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Yes, it makes the Strider cord grips seem ergonomic, it is also insecure at the same time as it is very slick.

The only strength issue with folders like the Manix is heavily loading the tip, the strength through the blade body is high, but you could readily break off the tip with just wrist strain due to the distal taper.

-Cliff
 
all in all a knife that is not worth even close to what it's retail is. It is rediculously overpriced.

At the price being asked, another 100 bucks gets you a custom. Half the price gets you any Spyderco/BM.
 
For $200, you can buy 8 Buck 110's. I think 8 Buck 110's would out last any other 200 dollar folder on this list so far.
 
jim n said:
For $200, you can buy 8 Buck 110's. I think 8 Buck 110's would out last any other 200 dollar folder on this list so far.
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I had a 110 for the longest time. The lock is great and the frame is great. The blade is weak though. But I wish I had bought one of the BG-42 special runs tey did. That would have been nice. It is heavy and clunky thogh.

The manix and chinook are still better. Same Idea just more modern.
 
Cobalt said:
all in all a knife that is not worth even close to what it's retail is. It is rediculously overpriced.
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I bought mine on the secondary market because I was curious if the pivot strength matched the blade, it actually does and you can do really heavy work with this knife which would damage a lot of folders and even fixed blades. However it would benefit from a less extreme blade grind and a decent shaped handle.

I ground the primary grind on mine to full flat, no secondary edge bevel and it still would not be something I would carry as a cutting tool, way too much force required. I may grind it full flat, but the handle ergonomics are so poor I really don't see any sense to it, I would never use it for extended cutting due to grip issues any way.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I bought mine on the secondary market because I was curious if the pivot strength matched the blade, it actually does and you can do really heavy work with this knife which would damage a lot of folders and even fixed blades. However it would benefit from a less extreme blade grind and a decent shaped handle.

I ground the primary grind on mine to full flat, no secondary edge bevel and it still would not be something I would carry as a cutting tool, way too much force required. I may grind it full flat, but the handle ergonomics are so poor I really don't see any sense to it, I would never use it for extended cutting due to grip issues any way.

-Cliff
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I have never used it just handled it, but I can imagine that with the poor ergonomics it would not be a fun time after a little while. Dark Ops makes a copy don't the? Probably poorer materials and fit/finish.

Anyway, I may someday cut one of my small Busse knives and have the blade made into a Balisong. An anorexic Badger Folder might be good. Use Beta Ti Handles with the two Massive pivots made of SR101 (slight more corrosion resistance than 52100). Could this possibly be the Busse folder?
 
Cobalt said:
Dark Ops makes a copy don't the? Probably poorer materials and fit/finish.
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Yes, they make a copy, there have been some horror stories about the lock, faces barely meeting. They have addressed some issues with the grip with inserts but it is still the same squarish shape.

-Cliff
 
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