Trespassing

Pack Rat said:
My, My, I will admit that I just ran across this tresspassing thing and after the first couple of pages I just started scanning.

One thing I didn't see, is the suggestion that you simply get online and bring up the Tresspassing laws of the state you are planning on doing this tresspassing in. And Friends, be very observant about tresspass laws for Texas. Don't cross any fence of any kind, specially with a firearm. and you best have a good reason. How many of you know that a vertical purple stripe painted on anythng means no tresspassing? Like I said...best study the laws.

There seems to be some that think it is ok to tresspass on my land. Well let me tell ya this. I ALWAYS carry ( and if you don't know what that means you best the hell not tresspass) when I am out on my property.

I frequently will take a position and acquire a target and fire away simply for confidence building of my abilities. Should one of you IDIOT tresspassers just happen to step out at a wrong moment you are dead. Simple as that. And all the county sheriff is going to say is "shit happens".

Tresspass laws are explicite...Thousands of dollars in fines and confisation of equiptment, and you will loose any guns or other weapons you have on you.

Another thing to all of this....... If you are teaching your children to follow in your footsteps, and it be one of them that steps out from behind a boulder just as I fire..... I hope you live with that untill you rot in Hell.

People,,,,,,Right, Wrong, or indifferent, there are laws to all of this, so you best be learning them that apply to you and where you are. Personal feelings won't stand up in court.
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"Trespassers will be shot" won't stand up in court either. Use a proper backstop. I don't want your bullets trespassing on my property. Those bullets don't know the law either and won't stop at the boundary.
 
Shann, I didn't get the impression he was saying trespassers would be shot on sight. I think he was saying he likes to plink/target practice on his land, which should be safe. The problem comes if there's somebody out there on his land that shouldn't be there, directly in his line of fire, and he doesn't know about it. This has happened to us a couple times.

Once I was squirrel hunting in our woods with a buddy. We were walking out after getting several, and met up with a boy from the nearby town. He said he heard our bullets going by him. I told him if I knew he was there, we wouldn't have been shooting in a direction that was supposed to have been safe. And we would have known he was there if he had stopped to ask permission to hunt in our woods instead of trespassing.

Another time some friends (two brothers) were squirrel hunting in our woods when my brother decided to do the same. At least these two had permission to be there; we just didn't know they were there at the time. My brother opened up on a squirrel with his Ruger pistol as it ran through some low trees. Later the two brothers said they heard several bullets whiz right between them. :eek:
 
the possum said:
Shann, I didn't get the impression he was saying trespassers would be shot on sight. I think he was saying he likes to plink/target practice on his land, which should be safe. The problem comes if there's somebody out there on his land that shouldn't be there, directly in his line of fire, and he doesn't know about it. This has happened to us a couple times.

Once I was squirrel hunting in our woods with a buddy. We were walking out after getting several, and met up with a boy from the nearby town. He said he heard our bullets going by him. I told him if I knew he was there, we wouldn't have been shooting in a direction that was supposed to have been safe. And we would have known he was there if he had stopped to ask permission to hunt in our woods instead of trespassing.

Another time some friends (two brothers) were squirrel hunting in our woods when my brother decided to do the same. At least these two had permission to be there; we just didn't know they were there at the time. My brother opened up on a squirrel with his Ruger pistol as it ran through some low trees. Later the two brothers said they heard several bullets whiz right between them. :eek:
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Yeah Possum, I just didn't think he was worth responding to. Thanks...

Woe be it if he thought the target I am acquiring is a person...Sad....
When out hunting, it is common to see what we are hunting off in a distance.
So to pratice for that, we will prop against a tree, boulder, or whatever and tartet pratice on a rock, or tree.

As for my bullets passing over your property Shann, lets just say that I own a little piece of the Texas Hill Country and well know where my bullets go.
You make a very wrong assumption that I might be an irresponsible gun owner.

Maybe everyone else got the drift of what I was saying. If you tresspass, you stand to get hurt by simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I looked down the road a long time ago and could see that hunting in the free forests was no longer a good thing to do. Just simply too many hunters trying the same thing. So I made a wise decision back then and purchased my own place. Yeah it was a struggle for a long time, but worth it in the long run.

So, yes,,, I will be protective of what I worked thousands of hours of over time to pay for. Tresspassers aren't gonna come and use it for free. The County sheriff isn't far away.
nuff said bout that........
 
I'm not a landowner, but I like the outdoors. So here's my $.02... if you want to get out in the wild and breathe some fresh air, learn to make cordage, or just sit in the sun and drink beer, ya better be willing to take a couple hours and research where some good, legal places to do that might be. Public land, scouting out landowners to ask permission (BTW that means more than hearing a neighbor say "I don't know who owns it" and saying ta-heck-widdit), looking up a nearby hiking club for info, whatever. It's not that hard fer cryin out loud.

Trespassing just for the heck of it is plain wrong, and indicative of a mindset that says, "since you have it, I'm entitled to it, too."
 
Possum, PackRat, GibsonFan, others...all good points. I never thought much about posting my land before, I didn't care if somebody took a deer or squirrel on my land, there's plenty to go around. Until I got vandalized.

Now I know I have to be careful walking on my own land, I carry a side arm.
 
Coldwood said:
Possum, PackRat, GibsonFan, others...all good points. I never thought much about posting my land before, I didn't care if somebody took a deer or squirrel on my land, there's plenty to go around. Until I got vandalized.

Now I know I have to be careful walking on my own land, I carry a side arm.
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Another thing Cold,,, if some idiot tresspasser comes on your property and falls over a cliff into a canyon and breaks something, he is probably gonna sue you because you didn't fence off that bone breaking cliff, or post warning signs that your property was dangers to tresspass on... I am pretty sure Texas is working on some laws to put a stop to that nonsense.
 
Pack Rat said:
... if some idiot trespasser comes on your property and falls over a cliff into a canyon and breaks something, he is probably gonna sue you because you didn't fence off that bone-breaking cliff...
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I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but that's a dang good point to bring up.

Here's another one: if someone's using private land WITH permission, the landowner presumably knows when/where they're going to be, and when they're expected back. (In my area there are a few county forests where you can camp free, they only ask that you register and let them know where/when you'll be so they can rescue ya if you set the woods on fire or something.) I'm pretty sure every hiking-camping-survival-guide on the planet recommends letting trusted parties know your plan.
 
Yeah, ain't that a shame? When I was a kid we wandered all over the place and nobody worried about it, nobody worried about who might be suing who. Now, we have to carry liabilty insurance in case some idiot hurts himself on our property, with or without our permission for being there.

And yet some people will say that the land shoud be free for all to enjoy. I agree...When they will take part in paying mortgages, land taxes and liability insurance. And keeping it clean of trash. And paying for game management.
 
Forgive me for jumping in this thread so late but I've been out of town. As a land owner I have strong feeling about this issue. Years ago when I first bought my land I had a lot of people helping themselves to it for hunting, dumping garbage and just about every other use you could come up with. It took several years for me to put a stop to it.
Very seldom did I ever have anyone actually just come up and ask if they could use it. Those who did were welcome. Those who just thought they had a "right" to use it without asking were driven off in a very unfriendly manner.
I didn't see anyone coming by to help clean up garbage. No one came by to help plant trees or fix roads.
I began leasing most of it to hunters several years ago. Once I did, I found that most of them come by rather often to offer help to improve the property. Once they made the investment, they seemed to have more interest in it's upkeep.
In this day and time, I do not want to take the chance of being sued because someone who wasn't suppose to be there gets hurt. I have spent too much effort in getting and maintaining my land to take the chance.
What all of this means is that if you can't read the signs, don't expect a friendly hello when I run into you. The first time, you are TOLD to leave. The second time, you meet the Sheriff. There is not a single place where you can enter without seeing a posted sign. If you disrespect my wishes for privacy, I see no reason to offer you any respect in any form.
 
I used to own some acerage in the country and lived there for a good while, fencing off the land around my residence. Had ten dogs at one point, all dumped by people trespassing on my land. Now live in a subdivision-keep my present dogs leashed for walks and they run in a nice, fenced backyard. Now I get kids who trash the yard, other digs running loose, and parents will not take charge of their kids. I do not mind kids runnung after balls- but they tend to taunt the dogs on the back yard. Guess I will have to build a fence in the front yard.
 
My family used to own one of the few private beaches in NJ. We owned from the street down to the high watermark. Anyone was free to walk up and down the beach but they couldn't set up for the day above the high watermark. People would cut through all the time and it was a huge legal problem. We had a sign "Tresspassers will be Violated".

My parents built a house up in the mountains. The property was on a hillside that had a motorcycle trail right down the middle. For about two years after the house was finished these guys would come screaming right down the driveway and pick up the remains of that trail below the house. They wouldn't even slow down. My dad finally felled trees across the trail all the way down the hill. They got the message but the first guy down the driveway got a rude awakening. Mac
 
Pack Rat said:
Another thing Cold,,, if some idiot tresspasser comes on your property and falls over a cliff into a canyon and breaks something, he is probably gonna sue you because you didn't fence off that bone breaking cliff, or post warning signs that your property was dangers to tresspass on... I am pretty sure Texas is working on some laws to put a stop to that nonsense.
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http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newidst?sctid=360160004.K

Idaho has enacted laws for landowner protection when the property is allowed to be used without charge for recreation (if the state leases the land for trespass, landowner is still covered here).

--Carl
 
Terril thats a valid point . I myself have found that people value something more if they work for it . I am a trader at heart . When I get something from someone as a gift it remains a gift . If they are giving me something to help me out I try to return the favour .

I don,t often give people things to help them out . I most often offer to trade them for something I know they don,t need too badly . That way the value is shown to be valued .

I would definitly help someone tidy up land I was allowed to hunt on .
 
I'm a little late but thought I'd say my piece. I live on a ranch and we've had our share of tresspassing problems. For example one year we didn't use a pasture. Well next summer when we were checking the fence we were amazed to see how many places where someone had let the fence down and didn't bother to reattach the wire. There been many other occasions where hunters have tresspassed on our land. This has resulted in my family letting few hunters in on our ranch. It's sad that a few bad apples spoil the bunch. but that's what happens when you don't know who to trust.
Now after saying that there are exceptions, like when our cows got out on someone else's land they don't mind if we go on their land to put them in and vice versa or it's ok if it's an emergency to go on someone else's land.
Well that's my 0.02.
 
SouthDakotan,

I agree with many of your sentiments. If someone has loose livestock, they are more than welcome to come and get them, and on my forest land, the neighbors I know are welcome to hunt across my land. It's just the ones I don't know, I really want to know where people are.

The wire thing is a real bugger. Why can't people understand, if the gate/fence is up, leave it that way, if it is down, leave it that way. I think that one little thing has closed more land than anything else.

--Carl
 
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