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Wow. Calm down buddy.
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Debates about knives and knife technology doesn't hurt the forums, it's personal attacks that do it.
There is a trend on many forums where the guys/gals who have been there for a long time and used to share hard-earned knowledge don't want to be associated with name-calling and don't bother logging on anymore. It's a shame.
I noticed it a lot when checking out the "Sebenza lock failure?" thread. Torches were lit and there was a grade-school name calling session going on. Just state your case/opinion then have a chuckle and go on to the next thread.
There is a trend on many forums where the guys/gals who have been there for a long time and used to share hard-earned knowledge don't want to be associated with name-calling and don't bother logging on anymore. It's a shame.
I noticed it a lot when checking out the "Sebenza lock failure?" thread. Torches were lit and there was a grade-school name calling session going on. Just state your case/opinion then have a chuckle and go on to the next thread.
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The problem is that all these knives were designed by different people with different ideas on how they were going to be used, for different individuals. If you want the biggest, baddest, toughest lock then by all means get a cold steel tri-ad lock (I even have a American Lawman on my wish list). Just remember it comes with a price, harder to open and close, more bulk and more wieght. I don't doubt it's toughness at all, but if you find it's too cumbersome or bothersome to carry then all the talk of "you might need to pry with it in emergency" sort of stuff becomes a moot point.
I honestly don't find the tri-ad any more cumbersome or difficult than any other locking knife. Of course, I'm a lefty, so it's a welcome change from frame and liners....damned right hand dominant world....
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That's a perfectly honest answer and legit beef. I just don't understand trying to compare two different knives, with two different locks, from two different companies, with two different philosophies makes one better.
BTW: If it's any condolence they say only left handed people are in their right minds!
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It'd be easy enough to have the manufacturers rate the steels in categories like edge retention, maintainability, toughness and rust resistance without going into too much specifics; and it wouldn't be any more complicated than a manufacturer letting me know in what temperature range a new sleeping bag will work. "Low - medium - high" would do it.
The same goes for lock and design strength. How about a "light-medium-hard"? It's not friggin rocket science to set some standards.
And remind me again how cranking a Manix 2 into pieces is any different from Ankerson crippling his poor arm cutting manilla rope like some underpaid peruvian coal miner working for a company who'd rather let his lungs turn into black sot than buy him a proper mask?
Actually is is a lot more complicated than you would think....
There are so many variables involved that it would be pretty much impossible to really say what is really what.
There really isn't any cut and dry answer.
We will NEVER have that data to look so all we will ever have is guesswork at best.
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Mountain Mike, Tri-Ad folders have about the same speed and bulk as any good lock-back design. I think the first runs there were some legitimate complaints with the amount of pressure to unlock the mechanism and some people were not being used to the retention of lock-backs. Carrying and using them is same as most folders of similar size, just a stronger build and mechanism.
Mine opens very fast, waves open off the thumb stud real easy, closes with one hand pretty fast and safely, is about 4.5 ounces for a 4" blade.
Mine opens very fast, waves open off the thumb stud real easy, closes with one hand pretty fast and safely, is about 4.5 ounces for a 4" blade.
Yep...mine opens and closes easily. Is my Endura easier to close? Maybe a little bit, but not significantly so.
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Agreed wholeheartedly
But I find it strange you willingly single yourself out like that. Save the mods the effort and the rest of us your keyboard vomit and just log out.
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I work in a hospital, I wear lightweight scrubs. A 4" blade and/or 4.5 ounces is a lot weight to carry for me (not to mention the looks I'd get). The knife I use at work is a Spyderco Cat which mainly opens medical supplies. Not everybody has the same needs and wants out of a knife, that's why saying that there should be a "standard" confuses me.
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Mountain Mike - a standard could be something where the knife has to pass certain tests to have the seal of approval from the "Tough Folders Association" or whatever...kinda like what Ankerson was doing last year. It would only matter if people are specifically going for a tough folder that would tend to fair well in emergency use.
I carry and use a tiny slipjoint or two all the time. There are 2-3 oz. Tri-Ad folders also
I carry and use a tiny slipjoint or two all the time. There are 2-3 oz. Tri-Ad folders also
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Mountain Mike - a standard could be something where the knife has to pass certain tests to have the seal of approval from the "Tough Folders Association" or whatever...kinda like what Ankerson was doing last year. It would only matter if people are specifically going for a tough folder that would tend to fair well in emergency use.
I carry and use a tiny slipjoint or two all the time. There are 2-3 oz. Tri-Ad folders also
But is all that really necessary? With very little research any sensible person interested in knives should be able to see that something like a CS Recon would be a better choice to pry or abuse than say Para 2. I really don't think an approval or seal would change most peoples minds anyway.
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Yes, I agree. Sometimes I put my Spydie Military aside, leave my CRKs in the drawer, and take the UKPK out because it is so easy to open, use, close, put aside. Great locks are useful if you are doing something wild, but a quick cut and no twisting, stabbing, prying? A slipjoint is quicker and much less trouble.
I think minor variables are perfectly acceptable - if two knives are comparable, that's fine. There doesn't need to be a final answer for which one is a tiny bit better than the other. The type of data that would be most useful are results that are completely obvious once tested. If two knives of similar price, weight, lock, etc. were tested and one isn't even half as strong as the other, that's valuable info for consumers making a purchasing decision, and manufacturers who will pretty much be forced to make improvements to stay competitive. Such obvious results are also harder to criticize, while very similar results wouldn't really be worth fighting over.
As unscientific as someone might claim your knife tests are in the vids you make, one would be a true fool not to learn anything from it at all. (I actually think better of Strider knives after I've seen your testing lol)
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I think it's a good idea. Back in the day the answer to what is the best folder for tactical use, hunting, etc. would all be answered with Sebenza more often than not. You would never have guessed that a lot of them can't even pass a spine-whack. Only after people actually testing their own knives and posting about it, making videos of it, then the opinion becomes, "yeah, they are not really designed for that, they are beautiful slicers with amazing fit and finish."
Could probably do a search and find dozens of people recommending Marines, Soldiers, etc. get one for deployment, I know it was recommended to me back then.
If nobody is actually testing things out then you can't really be surprised when a lot of products look the part but don't walk the walk.
Could probably do a search and find dozens of people recommending Marines, Soldiers, etc. get one for deployment, I know it was recommended to me back then.
If nobody is actually testing things out then you can't really be surprised when a lot of products look the part but don't walk the walk.