Triad lock vs...

monger4142 said:
let's all pool money and buy the knife breaking machine Sal has.

end this for good guys.
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Why do you need a machine? Give me a dozen 16 year old redneck boys and offer each one a cold PBR for every knife they break....run several video cameras. Problem solved.
 
Mountain Mike said:
Who says we are avoiding beefy locks?
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Those who are saying "XYZ lock handles enough", "treat every folder like a slip joint", "ABC lock is harder to manipulate and adds unnecessary weight".

I am merely speculating that they are avoiding the beefy locks, because it wouldn't make much sense to own them while expressing these sentiments. It is a kind of minimalist or expert opinion where one says they can use a knife with a less robust lock without accident or failure. The ability to use a knife without a more robust safety feature is supposed to then imply higher intellect, skill, or common sense.

The Prius can tow 1500 pounds and the 2010 Viper gets 13 city/22 highway.
 
100eyes said:
no one said it'd be cheap :D

I think I remember someone once saying all the cars "wasted" during crash testing would be worth it if it managed to save just one more life.

I think such knife tests would be worth it if it managed to save just one more life of a soldier or LEO.
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Do we really want such a uniformed standard that the government and insurance companies are regulating knife tests?
 
hardheart said:
Those who are saying "XYZ lock handles enough", "treat every folder like a slip joint", "ABC lock is harder to manipulate and adds unnecessary weight".

I am merely speculating that they are avoiding the beefy locks, because it wouldn't make much sense to own them while expressing these sentiments.

The Prius can tow 1500 pounds and the 2010 Viper gets 13 city/22 highway.
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The Prius doesn't even look like it weighs 1500lbs. That's actually mildly impressive.
 
hardheart said:
Those who are saying "XYZ lock handles enough", "treat every folder like a slip joint", "ABC lock is harder to manipulate and adds unnecessary weight".
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That's no different than someone who only likes carbon steel blades, they are just merely their opinions. It hasn't slowed down or halted the innovation of powder metallurgy now has it?
 
Of course they are merely opinions. They don't stop inventors, but they seek to influence consumers. I'm not sure what you are trying to say as a counter point. I only pointed out that there is an attitude about criticizing improvements in lock strength. The same attitude does exist for many in increasing corrosion or wear resistance in steels. The carbon steel slip joint is the pinnacle of knifedom for some, the bead blasted stainless combat folder for others, and some variety of fixed blade that doesn't come "pre-broken" for others. Nobody is wrong. Nobody, so let others have their preference.

And PM is pretty poorly represented in the knife industry. S30V has nothing on the market share of 420J2, 420HC, AUS8, etc.
 
Mountain Mike said:
Do we really want such a uniformed standard that the government and insurance companies are regulating knife tests?
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Governments and insurance companies doesn't have to get involved, for example(sorry, another car exmaple lol) there are independent groups that test cars(like the Euro NCAP), a similar is probably possible for knives.
 
100eyes said:
Once something becomes a form of 'certification', companies don't mind donating their products because a positive result is positive marketing.

Quick, make the Ankerson seal of approval and get companies to send you one of each lol
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I wouldn't want anything to do with it, I don't do that type of testing anymore as I have no interest in it anymore.
 
100eyes said:
Once something becomes a form of 'certification', companies don't mind donating their products because a positive result is positive marketing.

Quick, make the Ankerson seal of approval and get companies to send you one of each lol
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All kidding aside it's not a bad idea actually. If everybody stopped acting like sissies and threw together a petition and some weight of the community behind it then maybe we'd get some of the manufacturers to put their money where their mouth is. I'm sick and tired of hearing that 3G is "the best steel in the world" (best how? Edge retention? Rust resistance? Overall?) or that the MBC-rating equals "angels singing on top of their lungs as o mighty lord himself descends from heaven". Petition it – hand someone the responsibility – and benchmark it. If it passes, then give it the Bladeforums seal of approval and hand them a golden sticker to add some bling to the boxes. The industry already does it through the Blade Show awards, so why not through Bladeforums as well? Figure out a set of parameters and a testing enviroment all parties can get behind and go for it.

For example, using a modified version of Spyderco's ratings:

Over 200 inch/lbs of lock strength per inch of blade length + 5 spine whacks + 5 overstrikes = very heavy duty and a Bladeforum gold sticky seal of approval.
Over 100 inch/lbs of lock strength per inch of blade length + 3 spine whacks + 3 overstrikes = heavy duty and a Bladeforum silver sticky seal of approval.
Over 50 inch/lbs of lock strength per inch of blade length + 1 spine whack + 1 overstrike = medium duty and a Bladeforum bronze sticky seal of approval.

Do you think your knife can handle it, manufacturer? Then send funds for ten of your chosen knife(s) to *assigned tester*, get your sticky approval and market it accordingly. If it fails full confidentiality is guaranteed and none is the wiser. What do you as a manufacturer gain from it? The marketability of Bladeforums SafeLockSeal(Tm) and the weight of a whole community behind Your products instead of those taking short cuts (see; China, China and China). For the meager sum of 10 knives, You can get something that will make Your product stand out from the growing bunch of foreign competition. You win, we win, everybody wins...

Watch this space for SafeEdgeSeal(Tm) (You're up, Ankerson!).


That's how it should be done. Sticky my box with something shiny that "means something" and I will buy it. :D
 
hardheart said:
Those who are saying "XYZ lock handles enough", "treat every folder like a slip joint", "ABC lock is harder to manipulate and adds unnecessary weight".

I am merely speculating that they are avoiding the beefy locks, because it wouldn't make much sense to own them while expressing these sentiments. It is a kind of minimalist or expert opinion where one says they can use a knife with a less robust lock without accident or failure. The ability to use a knife without a more robust safety feature is supposed to then imply higher intellect, skill, or common sense.

The Prius can tow 1500 pounds and the 2010 Viper gets 13 city/22 highway.
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How often I see this attitude.
 
seelow123 said:
Nothing about a prius is impressive, NOTHING.
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No really it shows how people will buy just about anything if it's marketed right and or their friends or some celeb ect have one then they will buy it so they can be just like them. ;)

Same with the Smart Car....
 
Ankerson said:
No really it shows how people will buy just about anything if it's marketed right and or their friends or some celeb ect have one then they will buy it so they can be just like them. ;)

Same with the Smart Car....
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I honestly think the Smart Car is a lawn tractor with a top and the blade removed. I would feel safer in a Corvair/Pinto combo. Can you imagine what even, say, an F150 would do to a Smart Car (and it's occupants) in a collision?
 
ThePharce said:
I honestly think the Smart Car is a lawn tractor with a top and the blade removed. I would feel safer in a Corvair/Pinto combo. Can you imagine what even, say, an F150 would do to a Smart Car (and it's occupants) in a collision?
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Personally I really wouldn't feel safe in anything less than an H1 around were I live the way they drive.... The worst I have ever seen, ever, more just flat out dangerous drivers......

I was shoehorned about 2 years ago by some idiot who was texting and ran a red light, never even slowed down before he hit me......
 
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If a knife is a sum of its parts, and all knife nuts value blade steel, handle materials, locktype and even blade shape and edge geometry; why doesn't that go for the strength of a given lock type? I believe when it comes down to it, snobs can't handle that lowly Cold Steel has the baddest lock at this moment in history.
 
The worst I have ever seen, ever, more just flat out dangerous drivers......

I was shoehorned about 2 years ago by some idiot who was texting and ran a red light, never even slowed down before he hit me...
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Yeah, they are scary stupid here. I thought it was about the worst until I went to Atlanta. First I saw a guy chasing another up the road with a baseball bat. Then pretty soon I noticed the inside divider walls were absolutely coated with rubber tire tracks sometimes 8 and 9 feet up. If I wasn't in gridlock I was doing 80 and had people going around me like I was standing still. Still, it beats L.A. traffic. :)
 
crom said:
If a knife is a sum of its parts, and all knife nuts value blade steel, handle materials, locktype and even blade shape and edge geometry; why doesn't that go for the strength of a given lock type? I believe when it comes down to it, snobs can't handle that lowly Cold Steel has the baddest lock at this moment in history.
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I've seen some of that as we all have. There are those that disagree strongly with the over strike and spine whack parts of the testing and feel these are all manner of bad ideas but I think what gnaws at them is that even though they disagree with the tests they still don't want to carry a knife that they know will likely fail that same test they disagree with and that eats at them.

The Triad is the baddest lock. I stand by that and think there are few that would take the same level of sudden shock abuse that we see Triad locks taking without worry. At the very best the nearest competitors to this can do is to stay working condition with noticed blade play from worn parts. What confuses me is all the nonsense over AUS8 vs going to something with better edge keeping. To do this would surely take away toughness and I don't see it really helping Cold Steel or the models they sell to go to a steel that might get 20 or even 40 more cuts in hemp rope over what they currently use before the blade edge needs touched up. To me its nonsense to suggest a steel as easy to touch back up to biting sharp as AUS8 is which takes me all of five to ten seconds, is a bad steel. For most of us if we use our knives during the day and dull them down you know as well as I do that like most all knife nuts they won't be able to stand even their super blade steel models being less sharp so what do they do? They touch it up and get it back to that biting sharpness ready to go for another day. Most that I know do this daily after a day of use so I ask you. When this is the case what the hell diff does it make what steel it is you use if you are bringing it back up to ready to use shape at the end of each day anyways?



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