two legged snake problems in the woods

David E said:
This is funny. How come, when a serious medical issue arises, Canadians come to America for the surgery? I like our health care just the way it is.
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Very few do that. It makes the news precisely because it doesn't happen too often.
But if people with lots of cash want to spend it on surgery then hey, that's their right.
Because, regardless of what others think, this is a free country.
Left, Right, Canadian, American, we all pay for our rights in various ways.
The only difference is which ones, and how blatant the payment is.
And even if they DID manage to take our guns, within 21 feet knives are king if you're willing to do what is needed. Most attacks happen within 21 feet.
So I'm not going to lose any sleep on this issue.:)
 
We should all take notice of pict's post above.........I urge all able people to apply for a carry permit in your state, even if you are unsure right now as to whether you want/need to carry. Some states have made it more difficult (ie more red tape,higher fees etc) but it would be well worth the time and effort, for we all may loose our right if we are appathetic. If we all exercise this right, (do it before it is too late!) it would send a message to the gun control politicos that we represent a large consolidated group of 2nd Ammendment supporters, and they may think twice before they try to pass unjust gun control legislation.
 
stabman said:
And even if they DID manage to take our guns, within 21 feet knives are king if you're willing to do what is needed. Most attacks happen within 21 feet.
So I'm not going to lose any sleep on this issue.:)
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You see, it's statements like this one above that made me post earlier......CANADA HAS THE GUN LAWS THEY DESERVE.

I bet stabman and others like him would be first in line to hand in their guns, once declared illegal, because, after all, "knives are king" within 21 feet...:rolleyes:

Once the guns are gone, how long would it take the bedwetting bureaucrats to ban knives? Don't they already restrict length ?

Some folks just refuse to "get it."

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David E said:
You see, it's statements like this one above that made me post earlier......CANADA HAS THE GUN LAWS THEY DESERVE.

I bet stabman and others like him would be first in line to hand in their guns, once declared illegal, because, after all, "knives are king" within 21 feet...:rolleyes:

Once the guns are gone, how long would it take the bedwetting bureaucrats to ban knives? Don't they already restrict length ?

Some folks just refuse to "get it."

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YOU just don't get it. If us Canadians turned in our guns, we could EASILY replace them with Black Market ones, and for CHEAPER.
In Canada they DON'T restrict blade length. Your guns are a security blanket for you, so this discussion is over.:thumbdn:
 
runningboar said:
Here we go again with knives being a manly weapon and guns are for cowards.:barf: Chris
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Nope, just challenging the lie that guns solve all problems.
I like my guns, all 9 of them very much. But I don't NEED them to feel secure.
Over here, lots of folk think KNIVES are for cowards too, so oops, guess you got what I was saying totally wrong.
I refuse to cower in fear because my guns might get taken. I know, I can hear the crowds of gun owners saying "they can take my guns bullets first", but that's empty bravado for most, and we all know it.
We have our CSSA fighting to keep our "privelege" to own guns, and I doubt they'll be gone during my lifetime at least.
 
Farnsrocket said:
That 21 foot rule is based off of drawing your gun from a holster. :cool:
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True, but I read that most police incidents happened at 5 to 10 feet; within that distance, guns still work, but lose many of their tactical advantages.
The advantage of a gun in close quarters is that people tend to fear them, so you might defuse the situation without bloodshed. That's about it.
 
stabman said:
Nope, just challenging the lie that guns solve all problems.
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No one said, or even suggested that in this thread. The only thing I keep hearing is own guns and carry guns if you chose too, and that right should not be infringed. Only you know the situation you live in and whether or not you need to go armed or not. Chris
 
runningboar said:
No one said, or even suggested that in this thread. The only thing I keep hearing is own guns and carry guns if you chose too, and that right should not be infringed. Only you know the situation you live in and whether or not you need to go armed or not. Chris
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Okay, I can see that, but I don't see a relatively small one-time fee as infringing on that right so much. I mean, we pay for food, energy, medicine(even here), and everything else we need or use, so one more fee? So what?
All I originally said was that a training requirement was a good idea, but some felt that was heresy.
Now, to tell the truth, I trust ME with a gun, but not most other people, including cops. But IF they are going to be allowed to go around armed, whether by privilege or "right", I wish to exercise MY right to not be hit by wild shots missing the target. Why is THAT unreasonable?
 
stabman said:
Now, to tell the truth, I trust ME with a gun, but not most other people, including cops. But IF they are going to be allowed to go around armed, whether by privilege or "right", I wish to exercise MY right to not be hit by wild shots missing the target. Why is THAT unreasonable?
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Name one instance when a law abiding citizen with a CCW shot up innocent bystanders, just one.

Calm down and think Stabman, you might consider changing that name, no one wants thugs and gangbagers to carry guns, and they are the only ones I have ever heard of shooting up neighborhoods. Put a little more faith in your fellow citizens, you aren't the only person that can handle a knife or a gun, I have a whole lot of friends that really make me feel good to have my back. Chris
 
runningboar said:
Name one instance when a law abiding citizen with a CCW shot up innocent bystanders, just one.

Calm down and think Stabman, you might consider changing that name, no one wants thugs and gangbagers to carry guns, and they are the only ones I have ever heard of shooting up neighborhoods. Put a little more faith in your fellow citizens, you aren't the only person that can handle a knife or a gun, I have a whole lot of friends that really make me feel good to have my back. Chris
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I trust SOME people, and they have training. Plus, they are my family and friends.
CCW holders should have training, or else cops shouldn't. Simple as that.
Faith in my fellow citizens? If I had THAT, why would I want a weapon?:confused: My early childhood showed me how "trustworthy" people are by nature(all White jerks, by the way); not very. Many people are mean viscious little animals by nature; they just get better at hiding it when they grow up.:mad:
My later experiences(some of them) confirmed this view. That's why I trust my safety to ME, not the police or society at large.
But I myself feel that my martial arts, weightlifting, and knives are enough for me.
Oh, and I LIKE the name stabman. Got it from Mystery Men(funny movie), and testing the stab resistance of various materials is fun. Plus, much like punching, the more you do it, the more little variables and intricacies you notice.
The use of knives(and stabbing!) is a martial art too. And fun!
So is shooting.
 
stabman said:
My early childhood showed me how "trustworthy" people are by nature(all White jerks, by the way); not very. Many people are mean viscious little animals by nature; they just get better at hiding it when they grow up.:mad:
My later experiences(some of them) confirmed this view. That's why I trust my safety to ME, not the police or society at large.
But I myself feel that my martial arts, weightlifting, and knives are enough for me.
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Ya'll must have some nasty people up there in Canada. Sounds like a bad place. I thought the cold was about all that was bad, but didn't realize how bad the people are.
 
Silverdagger said:
Ya'll must have some nasty people up there in Canada. Sounds like a bad place. I thought the cold was about all that was bad, but didn't realize how bad the people are.
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Not all areas. Where I was growing up was a suburb in the process of ghettoization(making up words is fun:)).
The people here IN GENERAL are no worse than other places, which means I wouldn't trust half of them further than I could throw them with my little finger, with it broken. If people were all nicey nice, we wouldn't have invented guns, armour, swords, combat knives, brass knuckles, napalm, atomic bombs, ricin, cyanide, flails, torture devices, flamethrowers, etc. The variety of ways we have devised to kill each other is testament to the essentially, well, evil nature of many people. Christianity even has the concept of original sin, which arises out of the observations of human nature.
 
I read every page and stand by my signature line below ! but back to the topic...jerks are everywhere ,indoors & outdoors..I have the right to carry and my buddy Springfield Armory is not to far... Just enjoy the outdoors and be aware of your surroundings. whether camping or shopping some people like animals & are going to prey on the weak or weak looking; you can wield your sword..I'll carry my XD...
 
I have heard enough stabman, you ever heard the term "Mall Ninja".

I think I will go back to talking about the outdoors. Chris
 
When I went to the academy we had an entire 40+ week of strictly firearms in the classroom and two weeks plus a couple of nights of nothing but range. At the end of that training there were still some people who could not shoot from behind a barricade without hitting the barricade and a couple who could not fire the Rem. 870 without getting knocked on their asses and all of these passed. Last I checked the CCW training (which is waived for anyone with a DD214 or police experience) was about 3/4 of a day in class and 1/2 day on the range where each student got to fire 6 .22 rounds. There is no way in hell any state is going to mandate anything close to police standards for CCW nor should they. Training is only as good as the trainee. I have met truly excellent and safe marksmen who were self trained and some truly unsafe people wearing badges. Training is great but, generally speaking, the people who benefit well from training are the ones who have enough sense to have not needed it to be safe.
 
In Canada you can legally own a 14 inch barrel for your 12 ga, and carry it like that in the woods. I think that would be my option if I was in Canada and stuck with their goofy laws on handguns. A nice, compact 14 inch 870.

The choice is a personal one as to wether you own or carry a gun. I can't abide with ninnycrats making that decision for me. I resolved long ago that I will be armed, that settled it for me. The world may do as they please and elect who they will and devolve into a total ninnyocracy, I will be armed. Mac
 
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