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I've hit the wall a bit with the ferrule, and I'll just have to buck up and go to an art store somewhere to get the acid resistant ground for my etching plans. But, in the meantime, I carefully started drilling the holes for my pins. The pins are still much bigger than the holes they're going through, but at this point I'm just not going to take too many chances.
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hehe, yeah I know
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But the graphic I plan on using in the ferrule incorporates a series of three and I thought three pins might further the concept at least in my own mind. Three amorphous designs and three solid pins for strength, hopefully a balance.
The fourth pin will be under wraps and I see it as insurance for the leverage happening at the end of the tang.
To be honest, two of the forward pins are going to serve mostly a decorative purpose, and I don't think will really add meaningful strength.
JB Weld is probably going to be the major factor in the strength of this handle fitment, I'm somewhat ashamed to admit. I think it would be cool to be able to make a knife so precisely that epoxy is unnecessary, but that's going to be well above my abilities for quite awhile I expect.
Oh, and just to let you all know how 'on the cheap' I'm doing this project, that pin material is stainless rods used to hold fenders on to a bicycle
. 10 or 11 gauge is my guess. Pretty soft material and very corrosion resistant. Shiny, too, when polished
Hey man, I'm no Warenski and never will be, but I'm having at least as much fun as anyone else who ever made a knife! We'll see if I keep saying that once I'm ready to fit all the pieces together
. But the graphic I plan on using in the ferrule incorporates a series of three and I thought three pins might further the concept at least in my own mind. Three amorphous designs and three solid pins for strength, hopefully a balance.
The fourth pin will be under wraps and I see it as insurance for the leverage happening at the end of the tang.
To be honest, two of the forward pins are going to serve mostly a decorative purpose, and I don't think will really add meaningful strength.
JB Weld is probably going to be the major factor in the strength of this handle fitment, I'm somewhat ashamed to admit. I think it would be cool to be able to make a knife so precisely that epoxy is unnecessary, but that's going to be well above my abilities for quite awhile I expect.
Oh, and just to let you all know how 'on the cheap' I'm doing this project, that pin material is stainless rods used to hold fenders on to a bicycle
. 10 or 11 gauge is my guess. Pretty soft material and very corrosion resistant. Shiny, too, when polishedHey man, I'm no Warenski and never will be, but I'm having at least as much fun as anyone else who ever made a knife! We'll see if I keep saying that once I'm ready to fit all the pieces together
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got some good news from Winlock today, and a trip in to the big city got me the etching ground I need.
I've got my sample piece soaking in toilet cleaner right now and I'm looking forward to some more testing over the next couple of days and anticipate some good timing in getting the ferrule done pretty close to when my hardened blade arrive- even though I know that anticipation is dangerous I just hope the acid I was able to procure does the job, otherwise I'm on the hunt for the burly hydrochloric I was hoping to be able to avoid.
I've got my sample piece soaking in toilet cleaner right now and I'm looking forward to some more testing over the next couple of days and anticipate some good timing in getting the ferrule done pretty close to when my hardened blade arrive- even though I know that anticipation is dangerous
I just hope the acid I was able to procure does the job, otherwise I'm on the hunt for the burly hydrochloric I was hoping to be able to avoid.
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Pfff... God willing!
he's always willing:thumbup:
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yeah, well... ok, you got me there.
Let's just hope I don't f@ck it up in the eleventh hour then, howz that sound?
me to its so close now, really looking forward to seeing it. but no pressure of course......it's only the whole forums who's eyes are on you.
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Lorien,
Noone has ever confused you with a comedian, standup or otherwise.
Noone has ever confused you with a comedian, standup or otherwise.
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Ahhh so slapstick is your method.... I've heard tales of your cycling, those are pretty funny.
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well, my method sucks apparently.
Lesson one- get the right materials for the job.
Toilet cleaner with 25% hydrochloric acid content has not nearly enough chomp, fast enough, into 4130 chromoly. Because I had to leave the metal so long in the solution, the acid resistant varnish capitulated and vanished. Vanishing varnish:jerkit:.
So, I'm going to let the air get at both the varnish and the hydrochloric to 'thicken' them up a bit. Then I'll try again. I'll also let the varnish 'set' for awhile before I throw the steel into the acid, and apply a second coat. After a 24 hour soak, there was a noticeable bite into the steel, but not as much as I was hoping for. I may have to double the soak time and reapply the varnish every day to get the effect I want. Or maybe through trial and error I'll discover something even cooler than what I had in mind
I'm still working on the sample steel, and if I can't either get this to work the way I'm doing it, or can't find the ferric chloride or straight up acid I need, then I can always leave the ferrule shiny or carve into it with my dremel. I should still look into bluing, too.
In either event, I expect the blades to return relatively soon and totally want to have this ferrule thing figured out by then.
But in the mean time, I've started another knife which will be a personal sized symmetrical dagger. That should be fun No really My brother was watching me file the teeth off a file with a file today and was like, 'WTF?'. I had some fun with him, kind of like the 'sky hook' joke. Anyway, I'm really happy with the design and feel like it flowed properly. Mentally preparing the procedure is actually almost as much fun as putting the tools to work.
I'll bet the biggest challenge for those who make knives for a living is making knives that have no appeal to them, but are made to someone else's spec. The joy of discovering a new design out of your very own brain, and then translating that into reality is really addictive. If I had all the power tools so I could make all the designs I've thought up over the years in a speedy manner, I'd have a lot of ugly knives. Who knows? Maybe after all this, I'll have a couple of ugly knives. But at least I'll have made all my mistakes nice, and slow That way maybe I'll remember em.
Lesson one- get the right materials for the job.
Toilet cleaner with 25% hydrochloric acid content has not nearly enough chomp, fast enough, into 4130 chromoly. Because I had to leave the metal so long in the solution, the acid resistant varnish capitulated and vanished. Vanishing varnish:jerkit:.
So, I'm going to let the air get at both the varnish and the hydrochloric to 'thicken' them up a bit. Then I'll try again. I'll also let the varnish 'set' for awhile before I throw the steel into the acid, and apply a second coat. After a 24 hour soak, there was a noticeable bite into the steel, but not as much as I was hoping for. I may have to double the soak time and reapply the varnish every day to get the effect I want. Or maybe through trial and error I'll discover something even cooler than what I had in mind
I'm still working on the sample steel, and if I can't either get this to work the way I'm doing it, or can't find the ferric chloride or straight up acid I need, then I can always leave the ferrule shiny or carve into it with my dremel. I should still look into bluing, too.
In either event, I expect the blades to return relatively soon and totally want to have this ferrule thing figured out by then.
But in the mean time, I've started another knife which will be a personal sized symmetrical dagger. That should be fun
No really My brother was watching me file the teeth off a file with a file today and was like, 'WTF?'. I had some fun with him, kind of like the 'sky hook' joke. Anyway, I'm really happy with the design and feel like it flowed properly. Mentally preparing the procedure is actually almost as much fun as putting the tools to work.I'll bet the biggest challenge for those who make knives for a living is making knives that have no appeal to them, but are made to someone else's spec. The joy of discovering a new design out of your very own brain, and then translating that into reality is really addictive. If I had all the power tools so I could make all the designs I've thought up over the years in a speedy manner, I'd have a lot of ugly knives. Who knows? Maybe after all this, I'll have a couple of ugly knives. But at least I'll have made all my mistakes nice, and slow
That way maybe I'll remember em.
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This Thread, Lorien, has been one of the most enjoyable
that I got to follow through for quite some time.
It is quite amazing to watch you discovering the basic elements
of knifemaking, although unlike many other knifemakers who
started in a similar way all on their own, you have the backing
of a large knifemaking community on the Internet....
Near live-time Internet support is in itself something new and
quite exciting to watch too!
One thing that stands out clearly throughout this thread is that
although you are working very hard and are frustrated quite a lot,
you seem to be really enjoying this challenge, showing character and
way above average motivation!
All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
that I got to follow through for quite some time.
It is quite amazing to watch you discovering the basic elements
of knifemaking, although unlike many other knifemakers who
started in a similar way all on their own, you have the backing
of a large knifemaking community on the Internet....
Near live-time Internet support is in itself something new and
quite exciting to watch too!
One thing that stands out clearly throughout this thread is that
although you are working very hard and are frustrated quite a lot,
you seem to be really enjoying this challenge, showing character and
way above average motivation!
All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
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