Ultimate Fighting Busse?

[eljugador]

I've pieced answers to this question together from a few older threads, but I'm not sure there has been a thread dedicated to it. What say you? Which is the best Busse for self-defense/knife fighting situation? What is the ultimate non-Busse?

 

[oge14]

the best busse for self defense is the one you don't have to use.:thumbup:

 

[rega25]

Purebred fighters from what I hear as far a speed, balance, penetration. If you were in open area, an ak-47 would give you the reach though

 

[Brendan]

I don't normally post my thoughts on threads I think are dumb but every time I tell anyone I like knives they give me that weird look - "Why do you like knives, they're just for hurting people!"

My argument is that they are tools - "you don't feel that way about a hammer or a spade do you... but they can hurt people!"

Any blade will cut, shape, design ... if it has an edge it's going to draw blood. In this day and age do we really need the perfect FIGHTING knife.

Come on dude !!

 

[amflud]

How about the HG55? It's a fighting knife.

 

[Jaxx]

Beats me... Got a warehouse full of Busse's (j/k ), but not a one that has ever been used against another person. I carry them as tools, not weapons.

the best busse for self defense is the one you don't have to use.:thumbup:

:thumbup:

 

[rega25]

I get what you are saying, but crime does happen, police use knives as backup if their guns jam, I carry a knife just in case. Having a knife can sometimes stop a fight from happening if the other person attacking knows they might get stabbed. I just bought my girfriend a knife because she has no way of defending herself against a 300 pound guy with her bare hands, but if she cut his wrist or got him in the stomach, he would prob get out of there and go to the hospital. Busse has made tons of models dedicated to fighting, the argonne assault wasnt made for chopping onions, nor were the pbf's. I have never been mugged, but you know the old saying, "its better to have a gun/knife and not need it than to need one and not have it." I see what you mean about any knife will cut, but quickness is also a factor, an nmfbm is 5 times slower than a fighting knife.

 

[JohnnyDarko]

I am not sure that I agree with the idea of a fighting knife as dumb. There are plenty of martial arts that involve fighting with knives. I would say that typically using a knife in a fight would be a last ditch effort and really at that point the advantages or disadvantages of any design are probably not all that important. Pointy end goes in the target or blunt end strikes the target. I will say this that I would use a scented candle to defend my family if it was all I had. (aromatherapy works wonders)

 

[Brendan]

... I will say this that I would use a scented candle to defend my family if it was all I had. (aromatherapy works wonders)

Exactly - when are you ever going to be carrying the perfect fighting knife AND need to use it !!

Sharpen your hands, elbows, knees and legs... they're your weapons !!

 

[rega25]

I think what he is getting at is that if you hypothetically were going to be in a fight, or were a soldier and you had to pick a fighting knife, what would you grab, an argonne or a nmfbm, the argonne obviously. And just because we live in an overall non-violent country right now, the same is not true in much of the world. People get violent really quick when SHTF, look at the crime after Katrina hit. I would rather have a knife than nothing. Using that rationale, no one should have pistols. Pistols are for backup if your rifle fails. Knives are backup for when pistols and rifles fail IMO. Having said that, i still would not want to be on the receiving end of an FBM or really large blade either

 

[d762nato]

The Force one looks like it could handle the job. This one,

 

[dericdesmond]

I don't normally post my thoughts on threads I think are dumb but every time I tell anyone I like knives they give me that weird look - "Why do you like knives, they're just for hurting people!"

My argument is that they are tools - "you don't feel that way about a hammer or a spade do you... but they can hurt people!"

Any blade will cut, shape, design ... if it has an edge it's going to draw blood. In this day and age do we really need the perfect FIGHTING knife.

Come on dude !!

+1

BUT (and thats a real BIG BUT), if we ever get invaded, or Zombies atempt to take over, You better believe Im gonna have this close at hand

 

[rega25]

didnt you get a kickass deal on that argonne on craigslist if i remember, or was that someone else?

 

[eljugador]

I actually was thinking more in terms of hypothetical. However, I'm a little surprised by indignant responses to the concept of using a weapon (which is a tool) for self-defense be it a knife or a handgun or a shotgun or whatever. It is like going on a gun forum and asking for opinions on what makes the best concealed carry pistol. I wouldn't expect people to get wierded out by the question.

Most of the people I know who carry concealed firearms also carry a knife or two for many reasons -- one of which is most certainly self defense. I'll also go out on a limb and guess that some people on this very forum carry some sort of weapon for that purpose.

Different Busse Combat knives are designed to do different things or they wouldn't come in so many shapes and sizes. I'm merely asking the opinion of people familiar with the line to offer an opinion.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

I've pieced answers to this question together from a few older threads, but I'm not sure there has been a thread dedicated to it. Which is the best Busse for self-defense/knife fighting situation?

Nearly every stock busse I've seen is terrible for one reason or another as far as 'fighters' are concerned.

'but it's the skill of the user, busse fighters are awesome!'
A skilled kali practitioner can use a branch picked up off of the ground as a formidable weapon: that doesn't make the weapon itself excellent or streamlined for the task at hand. Just because you can use a 12 gauge to kill a guy doesn't mean it's good at anything past 100 feet.

Features and geometry matter. If it hinders the task at all it shouldn't be there.

for me, any knife I carry that has the remotest possibility of being used as a weapon has to be able to do this without catching:

most busse's can't. (the one pictured is a modified sus scrofa, shown below)

What is the ultimate non-Busse?

I'm not sure what you asking with this question. What is the ultimate fighter that isn't made by Busse? That's a question best asked in the general sub forum, and will get a very wide variety of answers.




These are based on the idea of being able to actually edc them, the kz2 would be an excellent knife in a fight (if you knew how to use it) but you'll never have it on you inside of a city. Infi that I've liked as fighters:

far right, A heavily modified thin NICK. It would have been even better with the newer boss jack handle (taller index finger grip)

The two to the right. One is a custom shop modified sar5, I redid the scales and cut of the butt, the metal itself from the pommel forward is custom shop work. The other is a heavily modified and reground sus scrofa. I'm excluding the tank buster because of it's size and edge thickness, it would be awkward to carry in the city and it's overbuilt for what I look for in a fighter.

Boss Jack. My one complaint is that it's pretty thick all around, I'd have preferred a full flat with a thinner edge. I'm okay with it as it is though, I'd take it hands down with how thick it is over a paper thin anything with a big choil. at 3/16" with a 4.5-5" blade and a thinner edge this would be a perfect edc fighter/utility combo.

I've always liked the looks of the d2 fillet knives as fighters. I don't even like the presence of the small choil, but I think it's small enough that it probably wouldn't be a problem. The longer ones are also awesome. if they made a choiless version it would be perfect.

 

[Brendan]

I actually was thinking more in terms of hypothetical. However, I'm a little surprised by indignant responses to the concept of using a weapon (which is a tool) for self-defense be it a knife or a handgun or a shotgun or whatever. It is like going on a gun forum and asking for opinions on what makes the best concealed carry pistol. I wouldn't expect people to get wierded out by the question.

Most of the people I know who carry concealed firearms also carry a knife or two for many reasons -- one of which is most certainly self defense. I'll also go out on a limb and guess that some people on this very forum carry some sort of weapon for that purpose.

Different Busse Combat knives are designed to do different things or they wouldn't come in so many shapes and sizes. I'm merely asking the opinion of people familiar with the line to offer an opinion.

don't take it personally, your opinion is valid...

as is mine !!

 

[jazub]

i nominate Urban Grudge

 

[stanley_white]

The best Busse fighting knife is the one you have with you when the fight occurs.


-Stan

 

[rega25]

Brendan, not trying to get confrontational, just want a more detailed opinion. you have to admit that many of Busse's knives are for fighting right? I mean, the FBM is not the most nimble fighter but it is a "Battle" mistress, not to mention his swords and straight up fighting knives. If you were going to Iraq, do you not really care what type of blade you would be be carring as long as it could cut? Like the yoshi blade on tv? once again, not trying to call you out, I have friends that do not carry knives for the same reason, they thing nothing could ever happen to them because it never has before, I am just trying to understand why you think that violence is a thing of the past when there are 2 wars going on and ppl get mugged and attacked daily here at home. Just saying, Jerry's website is not called Bussebattoning.com

 

[eljugador]

don't take it personally, your opinion is valid...

as is mine !!

I'm not taking it personally. The thought of self defense makes some people queasy -- I get that. However, if you want to ensure other people don't take your responses personally, you might consider avoiding phrases like "I don't normally post my thoughts on threads I think are dumb" when you make a reply.