Ultimate Fighting Busse?

[Irezumi]

I actually was thinking more in terms of hypothetical. However, I'm a little surprised by indignant responses to the concept of using a weapon (which is a tool) for self-defense be it a knife or a handgun or a shotgun or whatever. It is like going on a gun forum and asking for opinions on what makes the best concealed carry pistol. I wouldn't expect people to get wierded out by the question.

Most of the people I know who carry concealed firearms also carry a knife or two for many reasons -- one of which is most certainly self defense. I'll also go out on a limb and guess that some people on this very forum carry some sort of weapon for that purpose.

Different Busse Combat knives are designed to do different things or they wouldn't come in so many shapes and sizes. I'm merely asking the opinion of people familiar with the line to offer an opinion.

I am also surprised by several responses. The brand is Busse Combat, not Busse Woodcraft/Skinning/Lovely politically correct steel tool. A 8 inch combat fixed blade is a weapon, it just also happens to be a tool. But I guess there will be people on here that will insist that the argonne, war boar, AK, hg55, moab and so on are simply just tools for putting butter on their toast. I guess that is why Busse also made a few non metallic knives..I wonder what they are for?

 

[jazub]

I am also surprised by several responses. The brand is Busse Combat, not Busse Woodcraft/Skinning/Lovely politically correct steel tool. A 8 inch combat fixed blade is a weapon, it just also happens to be a tool. But I guess there will be people on here that will insist that the argonne, war boar, AK, hg55, moab and so on are simply just tools for putting butter on their toast. I guess that is why Busse also made a few non metallic knives..I wonder what they are for?

mmmm ....toast. let me get my Desert Storm Fighter....

 

[Bravado]

I guess that is why Busse also made a few non metallic knives..I wonder what they are for?

I could tell ya but then I'd have to..........ughh you know the rest.

 

[Gravelface]

Aside from the Stealth Hawk, was there another non metallic?

 

[rega25]

I second that Irezumi. Well Last visible Canary, maybe we got off on the wrong foot as far as what we both interpreted the original post to be. When he asked what the best self defense/fighting knife would be to buy, I assumed that he would have to choose from the large but finite selection of Busses available, and use it unmodified. I am not sure but I think your argument is that none of them are quite ideal for fighting(the boss jack being the best if you had to pick?) That's out difference. I was just looking at Busse's ready to use, and we will not agree, but I can guarantee you that if I went to 100 people on the street and showed them the AK, Gladius, dagger, argonne assault, or Barf, and asked them what task it was "designed" for, utility, camp, cook, fighting, or combination to be fair, 9 out of ten would say the gladius for instance was for whipping some arse imo. just because it can pry or batton does not mean it was designed for it, its like a bonus in my mind. Its a gladiator sword for pete's sake, please give me that at least lol. And what about the dagger, perfect fighting knife i think using your requirements for a good one. Let's boil it down like this. A hypothetical using the original thread would be if you were going camping and some deliverance guys were chasing you through the woods (even if they didnt have knives or guns) and you were running and thought to yourself, "which unmodified Busse knife do I wish I had right now for defending my life?" which one would you pick? Which one would be the best solely for fighting/self defense? Boss Jack?

 

[jazub]

Let's boil it down like this... if you were going camping and some deliverance guys were chasing you through the woods (even if they didnt have knives or guns) and you were running and thought to yourself, "which unmodified Busse knife do I wish I had right now for defending my life?" which one would you pick

Deliverance guys? DRAGON'S FANG!

:thumbup:

 

[RedbeAR15]

I'm not taking it personally. The thought of self defense makes some people queasy -- I get that. However, if you want to ensure other people don't take your responses personally, you might consider avoiding phrases like "I don't normally post my thoughts on threads I think are dumb" when you make a reply.

WTF? Terror Monkey will serve you well but sounds like you may already know the answer you are looking for

Tip - Dial the testosterone back a notch - you don't need it hear unless you start something

 

[Last Visible Canary]

I am also surprised by several responses. The brand is Busse Combat, not Busse Woodcraft/Skinning/Lovely politically correct steel tool. A 8 inch combat fixed blade is a weapon, it just also happens to be a tool. But I guess there will be people on here that will insist that the argonne, war boar, AK, hg55, moab and so on are simply just tools for putting butter on their toast. I guess that is why Busse also made a few non metallic knives..I wonder what they are for?

My point isn't that they aren't able to be used as weapons, my point is that I want a better weapon out of that type of tool. I want something that is streamlined to cut apart the human body. Yes, every single knife ever produced by busse can do that, but I can also immediately make it better at it with a few geometry tweaks. I had the custom shop make me just such a knife in the form of the sar5 mod. That knife has all the key ingredients I look for, making it a better weapon than any of the other busse's I've experienced (within it's size/class)

A hypothetical using the original thread would be if you were going camping and some deliverance guys were chasing you through the woods (even if they didnt have knives or guns) and you were running and thought to yourself, "which unmodified Busse knife do I wish I had right now for defending my life?" which one would you pick? Which one would be the best solely for fighting/self defense? Boss Jack?

I'd still probably go with the satin boss jack, even if I could choose form the khukuries and swords. I know how to use a knife better than the others, I know the concept behind using a khukuri as a escrima machete but I'm not practiced at it. And I like the boss jack tip to pommel. enough weight to get a chopping action, not so terribly thick (once sharpened) that it makes life less difficult, secure grip, just generally all around awesome.

 

[RedbeAR15]

Most think they know what a knife will do to a body - but seldom actually do. Do You?

 

[rega25]

Fair enough. Got any specific rules on geometry for fighting knives that you could share? I can see why you would want a boss jack sized knife, why would you not want a clip-point style knife that pierces a little easier? or tanto?

 

[JParanee]

I am not going to get into the conversation of the worth or merit of combat or fighting blade but i will do as the op asked and post my favorite Busse and non Busse Combat/Fighting blades

The handle impairs certain grips but if ever there was a Busse Combat or Fighting blade The Terror Monkey has to be at the top of the list what else is it for

But the greatest Fighting blades of all IMHO are a Hells Belle by Bill Bagwell

Old Shiva Ki makes a wicked fighting Bowie also

 

[RedbeAR15]

No dis intended JParanee,cause I like your style - but the 'greatest' fighting knife goes "bang"

 

[PeterPHWS]

I don't see the edge re-profiling as being as critical an issue as some .... it is basically sharpening a knife for what your purposes are .... or what you find works best for your purposes .... if you take that view then there are plenty of excellent "fighting knife" choices within the Busse range .... a Khukri has always been my choice though ....

 

[Last Visible Canary]

Fair enough. Got any specific rules on geometry for fighting knives that you could share? I can see why you would want a boss jack sized knife, why would you not want a clip-point style knife that pierces a little easier? or tanto?

The difference between drop and clip isn't that much on the same sized knife, and I find the drop a little more utilitarian.

I'd take the finn wolf in the center in a fight over the batac.

my love of the finn wolf makes me wonder what these are like:

On the custom sar5 I have the right behind the cutting edge is .030" thick at the belly and .040" at the tip. it's a high flat saber grind up to 3/16". personally I like that geometry. With infi if you go thinner it ends up having the potential for damage under hard impacts so I don't expect jerry to start putting out thinner knives. On the boss jack right behind the edge it's .090" thick, if I measure the sar5 mod at the same spot it's .052". That's a significant difference in edge geometry - even though the edges are at the same angle.

These are largely personal preferences, if you don't mind having a thicker edge and find it doesn't bother you, then you will like a wider variety of knives for this type of task. I hate choils and would prefer all of my knives to be free of them, most don't share that opinion. The custom sar5 represents most of what I look for in both an edc user and potential fighter. If it were a dedicated fighter I'd look for something a bit less tall, a little thinner stock and with a thinner edge (not unlike the thin NICK mod).

Most think they know what a knife will do to a body - but seldom know. Do You?

I know that a person who hasn't experienced something first hand will only have a conceptual understanding of it. I've had knives hit bone, I've done minor surgery on myself that included cutting through extra sensitive tissue and I've butchered small animals. I've visually seen severe traumas and injuries that included lacerations. None of which is the same as killing a person even remotely. I don't pretend that it is.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

a Khukri has always been my choice though ....

I'm all for the kz2. I just need to have my brother teach me escrima first

For clarification: the boney active duty is pretty much the treatment I'd look for in any fighting knife I chose from busse. Thinner, sharper, and stiffer ftw :thumbup:

 

[Last Visible Canary]

with a textured grip this would be perfect.

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[JParanee]

No dis intended JParanee,cause I like your style - but the 'greatest' fighting knife goes "bang"

Can't argue that

 

[rega25]

those seem to be pretty good fighting knives, I would go with a larger blade for reach over a smaller fillet knife, but thats just me, i am not a grand master knife fighter. The kz2 is cool but for a novice might be a little hard to maneuver imo. i like the argonne assault, even blackjack knives with double guards are pretty cool. I am glad we could get back on the subject of stock knives that are unmodified, because the possibilities are endless if you mod something.

 

[GPB]

HG55 Baby!

+1, anyone who has done any serious training knows the why's.

Sharpened swedge, no question geometry, weight, BL, OAL is the best of all Busse Fighters to date.

 

[HJK]

I don't normally post my thoughts on threads I think are dumb but every time I tell anyone I like knives they give me that weird look - "Why do you like knives, they're just for hurting people!"

My argument is that they are tools - "you don't feel that way about a hammer or a spade do you... but they can hurt people!"

Any blade will cut, shape, design ... if it has an edge it's going to draw blood. In this day and age do we really need the perfect FIGHTING knife.

Come on dude !!

Some do. Really, dude.
And some appreciate the knife form itself.
We all appreciate Busse.
That's why we're here.
And you?