Unable to defend myself on negative feedback thread

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1) You direct messaged me a firm offer for a blade I'm selling in a listing that has all the information made perfectly clear: https://www.bladeforums.com/posts/20040560/

2) I replied to you via DM and accepted your firm offer. I asked you post a firm "I'll take it" in the sale thread.

3) You posted a firm "I'll take it" there.

4) You then changed your firm "I'll take it" to a "offer withdrawn" - the offer had been accepted.

5) We had everything settled and only then did you back off because you didn't like the payment options I had made perfectly clear on the sales thread!

6) I posted negative feedback for you and then you doubled-downed by proceeding to libel me by saying I'm a "con man" and that I was "coercing you" ... after I posted negative feedback I assured I would remove the negative feedback if you followed through and completed the purchase as you had promised to do.

My negative feedback stand. You could just do the right thing and complete the sale as per your promise. You have very easy payment options available.

Instead now you are choosing to try to libel me, even taking to crapping on my sale thread. Unacceptable behavior, sir.
 
Several things:

1) Thanks for posting the first link where it can easily be seen that you extended a firm offer and I accepted it and where easily can be seen the sale listing where my terms and conditions and payment options are very clearly explained and stated: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/fixed-blades-for-sale-becker-schrade-bladetech-sog.1750921/

It's not my fault that you apparently didn't bother actually to read the sale listing, but everything is perfectly spelled out there.

2) And thanks for posting the second link where it can easily be seen that after I had posted negative feedback I told you I would remove it if you followed through on your commitment to buy the blade. That offer still stands.

If you simply do the right thing and follow through on your commitment to buy, per our convesations, per the listing which made everything perfectly clear, I will remove the negative feedback. That's a kindly offer after what you have done this morning.
 
Centuriator said:
1) You direct messaged me a firm offer for a blade I'm selling in a listing that has all the information made perfectly clear: https://www.bladeforums.com/posts/20040560/

2) I replied to you via DM and accepted your firm offer. I asked you post a firm "I'll take it" in the sale thread.

3) You posted a firm "I'll take it" there.

4) You then changed your firm "I'll take it" to a "offer withdrawn" - the offer had been accepted.

5) We had everything settled and only then did you back off because you didn't like the payment options I had made perfectly clear on the sales thread!

6) I posted negative feedback for you and then you doubled-downed by proceeding to libel me by saying I'm a "con man" and that I was "coercing you" ... after I posted negative feedback I assured I would remove the negative feedback if you followed through and completed the purchase as you had promised to do.

My negative feedback stand. You could just do the right thing and complete the sale as per your promise. You have very easy payment options available.

Instead now you are choosing to try to libel me, even taking to crapping on my sale thread. Unacceptable behavior, sir.
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There was no transaction. Money did not change hands and nothing was shipped.

You got pissed because your deal fell through due to your lack of transparency. Then you leave revenge negative feedback about a non-existent transaction for a member of over 20 years.

You are correct in saying that there was unacceptable behaviour...........yours!
 
Centuriator said:
2) And thanks for posting the second link where it can easily be seen that after I had posted negative feedback I told you I would remove it if you followed through on your commitment to buy the blade. That offer still stands.
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What part of coercion, extortion and revenge is unclear to you?
 
I extended him the assurance that if he followed through and did the right thing and complete the sale as he promised to do, I would remove my negative feedback. That's a kind offer.

And I notice you are simply choosing to ignore plain and simple facts here.

Terms and conditions were perfectly clear.
He made firm offer. I accepted.
He posted a firm "I'll take it"
Then he says he is withdrawing.
Then he proceeds to libel me and lie about what happened.

And so it goes.

Like I said, I know some people would just roll over and cower, not me.

The facts stand.

That's all I have to say about that. What's done is done. The negative feedback and explanation stands for anyone who wants to read it.
 
Centuriator said:
I extended him the assurance that if he followed through and did the right thing and complete the sale as he promised to do, I would remove my negative feedback. That's a kind offer.
Like I said, I know some people would just roll over and cower, not me.
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No you did not roll over and cower.........What you did was attempt to blackmail and coerce him by threatening him with negative feedback if he did not complete the deal.

He wisely chose to back out and face your worthless consequence. I applaud his decision.
 
Apparently you have a hard time reading time stamps on posts and for that matter simply reading. You again conveniently ignore the facts and now are resorting to posting lies.

I posted my negative feedback and after that did him the courtesy of making him aware of it. He welched before negative feedback was posted. I offered him the courtesy of making him aware of it and then told him if he would follow through on his commitment, I would, of course, remove the negative feedback if he made it right.

You are deliberately misrepresenting the chronology of the events and now have chosen to ignore the hard reality that he knew precisely what all my terms and conditions for the sale were, he posted a firm "I'll take it" then welched.

No fuzz on this peach, not withstanding your attempt to obfuscate and post lies about the situation. You are just adding layers of nonsense to your already silly remarks and lies.

The sale listing is easy to read and understand. He chose not to. Then tried to libel me.

Since you are intent on being a troll, have it your way, you are now ignored.
 
Regardless of who is in the right of this argument, it has always been the case here that feedback isn't left until after money exchanges hands, so feedback should not have been left.

From a mod (RevDevil) as far back as 2012:

RevDevil said:
If no money or items changed hands, there is no iTrader feedback to leave.
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https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...ions-no-funds-exchange.1010212/#post-11503126

If you search here, you'll find numerous mod posts and threads confirming this.
 
If the moderators want to remove my feedback, that's their decision. I've never been part of a forum that permits members to flat out welch as the buyer did after he posted "I'll take it" ... I've been on dozens of forums with exchanges and this is always regarded as a bannable offense when it happens. It's dishonorable behavior and then compounding the behavior with manifest lies and libel only confirms the nature of the behavior: a lack of basic decency, honesty and integrity.

Oh, well.
 
Centuriator said:
If the moderators want to remove my feedback, that's their decision. I've never been part of a forum that permits members to flat out welch as the buyer did after he posted "I'll take it" ... I've been on dozens of forums with exchanges and this is always regarded as a bannable offense when it happens. It's dishonorable behavior and then compounding the behavior with manifest lies and libel only confirms the nature of the behavior: a lack of basic decency, honesty and integrity.

Oh, well.
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Understood things happen different elsewhere, but that doesn't change the rule here. For out of bounds situations like that, the proper response is a thread in GBU to tell the story and "warn" future sellers.

That comment wasn't just for you though. N2s also left improper feedback. "Revenge" negative feedback is also pretty fround upon by the mods. There's a good chance you're both out of luck getting them removed.
 
  1. They may do more than remove it

    6. Retaliatory feedback left by buyers or sellers on deals that didn't take place can now earn you a 30 point non expiring infraction. You earn them, you get to keep them, you have been warned.
 
OK, well, I've asked the moderators to remove my negative feedback report on the welcher. The facts are posted in the GBU thread for anyone who cares to read it.

I think the feedback policy here with welcher's is simply absurd and encourages bad behavior and bad-faith dealing, as I experienced this morning.

But it is not my forum, so...there you go.
 
Reading all forum guidelines and exchange rules save most of these type conflicts ..

SECTION 4 - Rules for Feedback -
  1. All feedback on sales or trades must be kept to the Feedback Forum and/or iTrader. Do not clutter up a sales thread with it.
  2. It is not mandatory to leave feedback, but it is highly recommended. It serves an important purpose sharing your good and bad experiences with the community. If you need help ask us, we can help. There is only so much we can do, we are not able to help with deals that occurred on Facebook, Instagram, eBay or other places.
  3. We will not edit feedback for you unless it's an obvious error (ie negative rating). You can report it using the black triangle button on the iTrader page and be patient.
  4. Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
  5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you're not out any items or money hasn't changed hands, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.
  6. Retaliatory feedback left by buyers or sellers on deals that didn't take place can now earn you a 30 point non expiring infraction. You earn them, you get to keep them, you have been warned.
  7. Threads started in the Feedback: G, B, & U section should contain facts that support your reason for starting a thread. Remember there is a difference between opinion and fact. Keep your topic civil or hold off posting until you've composed yourself. Complaining about a person that has exercised their rights as a seller or buyer does no good, and it may backfire on you.
  8. You need to be able to communicate in a clear, accurate, and organized manner. Insults, vulgarity, racist comments will not be tolerated whatsoever.
  9. Dog-piling for the sake of putting your 2 cents in is not going to be tolerated. If you have something useful to contribute, share it with confidence. If you are only going to contribute some silly comment, save it and move along. This has been a growing problem and we are going to be more proactive to lessen it.
 
Centuriator said:
If the moderators want to remove my feedback, that's their decision. I've never been part of a forum that permits members to flat out welch as the buyer did after he posted "I'll take it" ... I've been on dozens of forums with exchanges and this is always regarded as a bannable offense when it happens. It's dishonorable behavior and then compounding the behavior with manifest lies and libel only confirms the nature of the behavior: a lack of basic decency, honesty and integrity.

Oh, well.
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As already noted leaving negative feedback as you did is not appropriate on this forum-no deal happened. You could if you desired post a thread in GBU, but I will warn you such posts can backfire. It is usually best to just move on. These things happen.
As someone(myself) not using PP these things happen often. Members may not read the whole thread or have second thoughts about paying by alternative methods that give them less protection(at least seemingly). It goes with the territory and you just have to work through it. Some work out some don't.
 
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Going to move this to GBU and then take a look at it.
 
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