Unconventional/Low Visibility Shelter

FYI 99% of FLIR only reades surface temperature differences. If you have recently disturbed earth a VERY experienced operator working in a VERY limited area in open terrain may notice the difference but the disturbed grounds will adjust in temperature fairly quickly. At range even some of the best systems (Nightscout Long range, FLIR LRS's, DIOP ect...) will never see a shelter that has had time to cool to the surface of the surrounding ground. Now stick your warm head up or stick a hand out and that is a very different story.

FLIR is an incredible tool, but not an end all solution.
 
So what I'm seeing is that there weren't any "tricks" to staying even slightly comfortable that didn't put you at risk, and if you were detected and that brought down horses, dogs, tracking technology, etc., all you could do was keep covered, keep moving, and pray. Is that about the size of it?

The only real way to be comfortable in a nasty situation like E&E, is to simply mentally prepare yourself that you are mortal and that death can come at any moment. Once you accept that, you can work from that understanding and begin to hone and develop an intimate awareness of your strengths and weaknesses (physical and psychological).

In an E&E scenario, comfort would be the last consideration, unless you are just insanely egotistical and vain. Otherwise, yeah, leisure camping comforts is all thrown out a$$ backwards and the REAL comforts will be in knowing you are doing a particular thing to prevent yourself from becoming D-E-D. You should be subconsciously comforted by that, get it? You can be warm to a small degree by not having a blazing fire. You can keep it very small and keep the coals hot and visibly well covered by solid objects. A cave would be the best advantage but if you can't find one (be careful not to get smoked out however), the best option would be to just do without. Use the earth as insulation if you are cold and it will also be a great camouflage and help mask the scent of sweaty balls (literally, that sounds funny but your balls give off a heck of a lot more pheromones than your armpits dude!).

If they are using horses, dogs and/or heat seeking infrared technology, yeah, prayers are your ultimate weapon (in all seriousness)... that and keep huffing it. I would say that prayer is more important too, which coming in a close 2nd is knowing which direction you need to go and having keen situational awareness. Supposedly, if you spray your feet real good with pepper spray, that will throw off the dogs a bit too... or so I've heard.

If you are trying to live in the woods and get by with stealth, you better have a plan similar to Eric Rudolph's LOL. Where he was, there is like 18 miles of virgin wilderness. I am sure that once you stay out for a bit, and pray for guidance (you literally have to develop seeing your environment as if you are one with it and pray for guidance and come from a place of... get this... love). Once you acquire this state of awareness, you can sense when someone is near or if you are being watched. You will begin to feel all sorts of different things, and they each have their own meaning that you will need to learn because each person feels vibrations differently depending on how they see the world. I am being serious.

When you begin to feel these things, and you respect and honor them by listening to them (at first sometimes you will get the interpretation wrong as you learn your particular vibration senses but that is ok... it takes time), they will serve you more and become stronger. You have to realize that we're living on a planet that is floating in space and there are many magical realities existing at the same time in the same place here on Earth. We have become so logical and right brain sided (check out a book called The Bicameral Mind), that we have shut off our imaginative receptors. Finding it hard to believe there really are fairies and gnomes might be a handicap to develop the ability of literally disappearing into the woods, but the more you realize that you are actually one with it, the easier the transition will be for you (NOTE: when you start to really take this seriously, you will begin to sense and see all sorts of strange things!).

Taking a good tracking class will help you get in tune with this reality. It is the art of seeing the unseen. Any military style instruction will teach you the mechanics, but to get a better sense of the creature you are tracking, a mystical interpretation approach is much more… productive all around.

Ok… LOL kinda’ got sidetracked there for a bit. Hope this helped a little.
 
A cave would be the best advantage but if you can't find one (be careful not to get smoked out however),
Depends, if you're working against locals, they probably know most cavities that could be used as a shelter, and they would probably check them, provided they are looking for you.

Supposedly, if you spray your feet real good with pepper spray, that will throw off the dogs a bit too... or so I've heard.
Read it is pointless, and will actually make it easier for the dogs to follow your trail.
 
E&E training is more about being quiet, moving silently, and blending in with enviroments and locale. Shelter isnt a top priority as more then likely you wont be sleeping, and comfort isnt an issue. You will be on your toes, watchin that a patrol doesnt spot ya. Morre then likely you will use your natural suroundings to camoflage yourself under some leaves and such, not build a shelter. Signaling your rescue, is top priority. Popin a strobe, smoke, something at a pre determined extract spot, which will require you to move to that spot w/o being found, not stayin put. Rules are differant for a military survival situation in hostile territory, than lets say, a plane crash over an island, or mtns.
Aircrew egress training is also very differant then the training us scouts got. It all depends on where you are, and what you are doin there. Like I said though. If you feel the need to lie low for a bit, then it will morethan likely be a uncomfortable stop in a ditch covered in mud, sticks, and leaves, tryin not to piss yourself, and keepin a cool head. Just my 2 cents based on training that Ive had, not firsthand experiance.
 
FTON, MW, R, JW:

IMHO, you bring out a couple of really good points. We all have physical signatures, e.g. IR, smell, silhouette, etc., that we can't sense, but that can nonetheless give us away. The wise thing to do is to keep those things in mind at all times, and do everything possible to minimize those liabilities, including showing up for extraction on time.

Another point is the spiritual side of low information situation...I think that idea was well-expressed. In the case where persons or people may or may not be after you, a gut feeling could save your life. I believe science is slowly catching up to what native people have always known (AND exploited), which is that there is a "knowing" beyond physical senses. People can "feel" when they are being watched. Pets know when their owners *decide* to come home. Rupert Sheldrake has a couple of books on the topic, FWIW, and I agree that the survivor who can work his instincts, his training, his endurance, his spirituality, and intuitive hunches is going to be a very difficult target.

I guess I'd say that you aren't really problem solving if a part of your isn't open to suggestions from the other side, and I'd say that being really grounded in scenarios, tactics, schedules, and the psychology and technology of the forces arrayed against the survivor/evader, etc., is vital as well. You've got to work both halves of your brain, and once in a while you've got to be open to a no vote from your gut, third eye, or your thin small voice.
 
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mystical, very interesting thoughts...

i have a friend that practices the wicca religion and she has told me before when i was thinking about her or she has prepared for me when i meant to surprise her...i find that it usually happened when i was chopping wood interestingly enough...perhaps people transmit more when they are in certain states of mind?

but that is a little off topic. what i am getting at is that it is interesting (and one of the reasons i feel like it could be so possible) that all of these different belief systems have so much in common, often just names and small traditions are different for achieving the same thing.

do you know any books that i could read that have any kind of instruction on this sort of thing, or do i have to figure it out on my own?

thanks
 
mystical,
thanks, i will look into those couple of books and snoop around the library for some taoist stuff...

i find that i go with the flow so much that sometimes people get angry that i can be so open minded and relaxed about everything that happens around me. they often call me lazy or unemotional etc...whether i am i don't know but it doesn't really bother me either way.

very interesting stuff either way.
 
If you are trying to live in the woods and get by with stealth, you better have a plan similar to Eric Rudolph's LOL. Where he was, there is like 18 miles of virgin wilderness. I am sure that once you stay out for a bit, and pray for guidance (you literally have to develop seeing your environment as if you are one with it and pray for guidance and come from a place of... get this... love). Once you acquire this state of awareness, you can sense when someone is near or if you are being watched. You will begin to feel all sorts of different things, and they each have their own meaning that you will need to learn because each person feels vibrations differently depending on how they see the world. I am being serious.

When you begin to feel these things, and you respect and honor them by listening to them (at first sometimes you will get the interpretation wrong as you learn your particular vibration senses but that is ok... it takes time), they will serve you more and become stronger. You have to realize that we're living on a planet that is floating in space and there are many magical realities existing at the same time in the same place here on Earth. We have become so logical and right brain sided (check out a book called The Bicameral Mind), that we have shut off our imaginative receptors. Finding it hard to believe there really are fairies and gnomes might be a handicap to develop the ability of literally disappearing into the woods, but the more you realize that you are actually one with it, the easier the transition will be for you (NOTE: when you start to really take this seriously, you will begin to sense and see all sorts of strange things!).

Taking a good tracking class will help you get in tune with this reality. It is the art of seeing the unseen. Any military style instruction will teach you the mechanics, but to get a better sense of the creature you are tracking, a mystical interpretation approach is much more… productive all around.

Never heard it called Mystical before

its just feeling and getting to know your spirit ( totem spirits ) , and belonging to the land among my people :)

Ive tried to explain it several times efore but never got it right , you managed to put it into words that get the concept across , :) , dam good job

enough of me sidetracking now .
 
that they'd be willing to talk about regarding how to make shelter that is hard to see, hard for dogs


Its hard to fool a dog with a good nose. I had a plot hound that I played games with. The wife would keep it inside for twenty minutes and Id go try to leave a confusing trail that the dog could not follow. I couldnt lose that dog, not even close. He would come a barking and have me treed in minutes every time.
 
Some books:

Conversations with God by Neal Donald Walsch.
Read everything you can find on Taoism! (very close to natural ancient witchcraft without the drama)
Holographic Universe written by Michael Talbot
Learn as much as you can about mysticism!


Peace.

Mystical Woodsman,

I've read both the books you mentioned. (And I like your definition of Toaism as similar to witchcraft without the drama. Perfect!) Since this thread is already totally off-topic I thought I'd recommend a book titled "Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damndest Thing" by Jed McKenna. It offers a different view of mysticism. I'm really into Tom Brown Jr.'s philosophy also, and it sounds to me like you are too. I know this isn't exactly the forum for this type of discussion, but I find it fascinating wherever I find it . . .
 
1) This point is factually incorrect. You do not need any spiritual preconditions, such as forgiving yourself or amending your "wrongs", to achieve a feeling of knowing when you are being watched. A very elegant study in England took this matter. I reference Rupert Sheldrake's book, The Sense of Being Stared at: And Other Aspects of the Extended mind.
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2) I am not gay (not that it's a bad thing), but you certainly are using the term in a pejorative sense, which I am pretty sure isn't kosher. Since a forum this big is almost guaranteed to have a few members who are really and truly gay, I would respectfully suggest that this isn't South park, this is bladeforum.:grumpy:

Yes, in my opinion, you can still achieve the ability to sense when you’re being watched. Even the most obtuse individual can do this at times, however not as frequent or as dependable as one who actually intentionally strives to perfect this awareness ability of heightened senses. Striving to become to tune into this, eventually, instead of being able to sense if you are being watched, you will get subtle feelings of who or what is watching you. You will know if they are male or female, and depending on how open you are, you can tell a lot more about them/it.

I don’t consider being gay a bad thing either, and even though it may have came out that way it was not my intention to make it sound derogatory. I have had some good friends who were gay. I was using the term to be a synonym of cheesy, so I probably should have just used that instead.

1) It's been a while since I took the SAT's. What does fornification mean? Is it bad if I fornificate or allow myself to get fornificated, and does that mean I might have to pay child support if I do?:)
2) Woops, there's that slur again.:grumpy:

No it isn’t bad if you fornificate (IMHO)… Fornification basically means having sex outside of marriage. Again, I was saying that facetiously to make a poking joke at hippies, although I would consider myself almost a potential candidate for one. Considering that also is a slur is only being nit picky. Dude, loosen up man – sheesh.


1) And you know this how?:confused:

Is this a rhetorical question??? Okay, through simple observation, we scientifically know that within a particular diameter range from a star, life can exist. Naturally, the proximity has great affect on the electromagnetic force fields (which affects everything even on a sub-atomic level). Thinking in this vein of reason, naturally one would conclude that on some planets, therein lies the fact that the physics are different in every region of space.

How's that?
 
Very interesting Mystical Woodsman. I am on a similar path I think.

I've done heaps of reading on metaphysics and the meaning of life etc and I have found a fairly common thread running through many of them. Two favorite books I'd currently recommend are by Dr Joseph Murphy:

"The Power of Your Subconscious Mind", and:

"Psychic Perception: The Magic of Extrasensory Power".

I got my second-hand copies through abebooks (internet).

My current explanation for how things work could be stated: "You experience what you believe". I certainly feel that there is a heck of a lot more to life than can be seen through a microscope or read about in some of the mainstream textbooks.

Best wishes..... Coote. Nelson, New Zealand.
 
Alright, I watched this thread drift way too long.

Mystical Woodsman,

It doesn't help others when your attempts at self-therapy hijack other's threads. I can tell you read a lot of new age style books but have yet to experience real life. It's all very heady and exciting, I know. Many of us have gone through this during college or at that age when we discover all sorts of new fascinating theories. In the past, we've had to give you infractions for inappropriate language etc., which denotes to me someone who has struggles with self-control. Hence, the self-development spiritual thing becomes an addictive way for you to try to fix yourself. This lack of self-control shows itself when you lack the self-awareness, spiritual or otherwise, to realize you've just taken someone else's thread way off course with your subject matter about awareness. It's very rude, self-obsessive, and quite the oxymoron. And the gay references just reveal your immaturity.

Please put the books down and at least practice what you preach, okay? And stop hijacking others' threads. Beware of spiritual egotism in yourself, grasshoppa.

Now, wasn't this thread about low visibility shelters?
 
Is this a rhetorical question??? Okay, through simple observation, we scientifically know that within a particular diameter range from a star, life can exist. Naturally, the proximity has great affect on the electromagnetic force fields (which affects everything even on a sub-atomic level). Thinking in this vein of reason, naturally one would conclude that on some planets, therein lies the fact that the physics are different in every region of space.

How's that?

Short answer, it's all wrong. I can see how you got it, but it's totally incorrect.:) PM me if you want specifics. And fornificate isn't a word, as far as I can find. However you did give the correct definition of fornication. In the Bible, its fornicate, not fornificate. Likewise PM me if you want to discuss that further.:)
 
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