Underdogizhere Got Me Good!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Jerry,
I have an E-=mail address, yet you have not E-mailed me. I can accept private messages, yet I have seen none from you. Jerry, I do not need you to look Good, or this incident to feel good. to the contrary, this make us all [cops] look bad and makes me feel terrible. I consider you one of the good guys. go back and read my first post. But when this hit GB&U, you did everything you could possibly do to act like a SCHMUCK. come on Jerry, don't spew that crap that you deleted posts because No ONE would read them. That is fodder. How about the post with the infant .GIF? What purpose did that serve.

Where within this entire saga did you ADMIT that the thumstud was "all chewed up"? The bottom line is that you made it easy for many of us to formulate our own opinion.

As far as a 40% turnover rate in Law Enforcement, that is simply ludicrous. Maybe in your Department, but if you set the example, a 40% turnover rate is an excellent sign that the good are finally hanging the dirty laundry out to dry.

Jerry, I started this with an offer to help, you disregarded it. Where and when did you take me up on it? I am NOT the enemy here Jerry, you are doing a great job at being your own worst enemy. You need no help in that department..........Ira
 
Where within this entire saga did you ADMIT that the thumstud was "all chewed up"?
Click to expand...

ummmmm.....IN MY ORIGINAL FOR SALE ADD..that is where!

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT TURN OVER..YOU obviously live a sheltered life...go look at NIJ or BJA (you DO know what that is DON'T you)statistics... HIGH TURN OVER is a FACT


PRIVATLEY E-MAILING you seems sneaky...EVERYTHING i have said and done..has been HERE IN PUBLIC..you still have not addressed the FACTS of what i offered to do and the response i got from the buyer...and what was wrong with that?

LET US STICK WITH THOSE..
 
KEITH,
i am disappointed in YOU as well..
What is not is the fact that in one of those posts that you deleted you admit to telling him that as far as you were concerned you sent him a knife that was working exactly the way you got it and that timmer must have broken it and for that reason you would not refund him his money
Click to expand...

as in my e-mail and in my MANY POSTS.. i told him that the mechanical condition was fine when i shipped it BUT TO AVOID POINTING FINGERS, WHY DON'T HE SEND IT TO VALLOTTON FOR FIXING AND IF IT COST ANYTHING, I WOULD PAY IT..as he said he WANTED TO KEEP THE KNIFE...he made that clear from his first e-mail!

The only email from you after that that would have changed my way of thinking about you would have been one in which you apologized for blaming me for breaking the knife and that to make things good between us you would be willing to refund my money.
I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY YOU OR ANYONE ELSE WOULD TAKE BACK SOMETHING YOU..IN YOUR HEART FELT was OK when YOU SENT IT...

but, AT LEAST i was trying to offer what he seemed he wanted....a way to get it fixed AT NO COST TO HIM...

WHY AREN'T YOU PEOPLE GETTING THIS?


It is also up to me to decide whether I agree with the way that you did handle things. I do not. You may of hated every minute of it, but in my opinion you should have sucked it up and offered to refund timmer his money.

NOT FOR SOMETHING IN MY HEART...I KNOW I DID NOT BREAK!


I don't think you went far enough in trying to offer a proper resolution to the problem.

hard to do when someone tells you to NEVER E-MAIL them again
 
Actually, you posted that you felt the action was loose on the knife when you got it and you emailed Darkman about it. Since he did not get back to you after repeated emails and because you did not know this knife you assumed that that was the way it was supposed to work and shipped it out like that. The fact that you were concerned with what you perceived to be a problem when you got the knife means that you were not sure that it was fine when you sent it. The only way you could have been sure it was OK in that condition would have been to have had it checked over by Butch before you sent it to timmer. So you sent a knife that you yourself thought might not be working properly when you got it, without ever making sure that there was no problem. The fact that you may have gotten the knife not working properly does not excuse you for sending it to someone else in that condition.

As for the chewed up thumbstud, you never did state that in your ad. You posted that it had some marks apparently made by being held by pliers, but that it was still 99.9%. Did you ever tell timmer that it was you that marked up the thumbstud trying to change it for left hand opening? Did you tell him that you thought the mechanism was loose and that you had felt that there might be a problem? Of course not, because if you had he probably would not have bought the knife. What was done before this deal was completed is every bit as telling as how it was handled afterwords.
 
Jerry,
we ain't getting this because you aint getting this? The most important thing is the knife issue. E-mailing someone to help resolve a problem is not sneaky, it's a mature thing to do. kinda like a police call that you are not certain how to handle, the appropriate thing is to ASK.

You stated the knife was 99.99% and NEVER stated the thumbstud was "chewed up". Why are YOU not getting it. You sound dishonest and when it was brought to your attention, you acted dishonest.
And the cop stats. Jerry, before you dig a deeper hole, you best go look on those Web-sites. first and foremost, there are no 2000, 2001, 2002 turn-over rates for LE. Secondly, the National average in a sluggish economy in LE is very low, and at no time in the last decade has there been a 40% turnover rate in Law enforcement in any place but the Middle-East. When the private sector is 'soft", police work is the place to be. But in any event most cops leave because the pay sucks, and not because everyone is dishonest. Clue me in as to what the turn-over rate has to do with dealing a knife that you said was 99.99% and now say had a chewed up thumbstud (and some blade damage????)

But the offer to help still stands. As I have said before, I am not the enemy and either is keith or the many others who are saddened by your actions. We are all watching you self-destruct by sticking your foot in your mouth, denying everything, admitting nothing, and making counter accusations. Jerry, this just is NOT you.................Ira

AND this is just not productive:( :(
 
keith..
YES...i told him in our private e-mail prior to him buying..i used the TERM CHEWED UP..and i also said the action was kinda loose..which he said was ok because of the DEEP discount i was selling the knife for..the 99% came from the visual inspection of the knife blade, body, clip and liners having no sctratches or dings and the knife popping open for me the only time i fired it..the knife looked NEW except for the thumb stud, which was told to him previously..

SO, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY..you guys DIDN'T know the WHOLE story..but, it doesn't matter as an opinion has been formed..

BUT the PEOPLE that know me have not been affected bt this..as you will see elsewhere in this forum..and THAT is what is important to me.

TO EACH HIS OWN..THIS IS AMERICA!
 
FACTS

*My 1st post stated that the spring came loose the 1st time I fired it. Not once did I say several firings. Thanks Jerry Another Lie.
*I have the entire email thread I will forward it to Cougar Allen when requested. Careful about those lies Jerry. As if it isn't obvious enough already.
*I won't contact Jerry's employer as I feel it would be a total waste of time. The knife deal had nothing to do with him being an LEO as I stated earlier and I would be a total Hypocrite if I went down that road now.
*Jerry types before he thinks, hence all the lies and deleted posts.
*Jerry has stated several times that he's getting off this forum and he's not coming back. "NEWSFLASH" He's still here waiting for the next opportunity to cheat someone and he has less to lose next time. Is this another LIE or maybe he just didn't mean to say it.....kinda like the 99.99% condition comment. Poor Jerry you're a totally misunderstood victim here. You truly are THE UNDERDOG.
*Jerry made it very clear early on that he had no intent of refunding my money.
*He did not offer to pay for repairs until it became clear that I wasn't rolling over.
*I've never bought a knife that was 99.99% condition that neede to be sent back to the maker for repairs....ie: broken spring, linerlock probs,stripped thumbstud, blade off center and MAJOR blade play. If it's still 99.99% it must have started as a 200% knife. Haven't seen that before but if you say so Jerry it must be true.LOL!

MAJOR FACT: My situation can be salvaged. The knife can probably be repaired with my own money. I don't want his as there is no telling who else he screwed it out of and I want no further contact with the likes of Jerry. Jerry on the other hand cannot repair his situation. When he lied and cheated he damaged his ability to interact with a bunch of very good people here. He dishonored himself in front of everyone and he's still trying to convince everyone that he's a stand up guy. Only someone this stupid could truly act THIS STUPID! Maybe you should use the $300 for a name change Jerry cause you certainly ruined the one you have now.

Timmer
 
Timmer..SORRY YOU DID NOT ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO...

i have made several knife deals since ours...and the people have been 100% satisified..even after reading you garbage..check the GBU..

you are NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH...YOU KNOW IT!

SEE EVERYONE...I TOLD YOU...STOP LETTING HIM CRY ON YOU PEOPLE'S SHOULDER...AGAIN HE IS REFUSING...ENOUGH SAID!
 
What do you mean? I set out to expose you as a liar. I think I did accomplish that. Now for the next lie Jerry.....Please post the email prior to our deal in which you stated that the thumbstud was "chewed up". If you can do that Jerry I'd be quite surprised as it didn't happen. "NEWSFLASH" Jerry lies Again! You're just trolling for attention now right as you truly cannot be this big of an Idiot.

As far as your other knife deals on here Jerry......I hope you gave them a fairer shake than you did me.
By the way your 1st email to me said you had 8 other people interested in the knife but nothing solid yet.

Timmer
 
All of a sudden you remember that you emailed me telling me that the action was loose and the thumbstud was chewed up..........Maybe I should rethink the complaint thing. You're a sick puppy. You could hurt someone.

Please post the email to me Jerry. I'll bet you deleted it. Right?

Waiting to be amazed,
Timmer
 
Tim's story sounds pretty legit to me. Yours on the other hand, and the way you've acted so far, looks and sounds pretty shady.

Best of luck with your other trades here Jerry, for now; but I have a feeling you're going to get launched outta here pretty soon...

Bad play dude, bad play. :(

Mel
 
Jerry,
I'm posting a couple of your quotes from 2 different posts before you realize what you've done and start deleting again......

So let me get this straight which one was the truth......
as in my email and in my many posts,,I told him that the mechanical condition was fine when I shipped it
Click to expand...

Or was it this one.............
keith,,YES,,,i told him in our private e-mail prior to him buying,,i used the TERM CHEWED UP,, and i also said the action was kinda loose
Click to expand...

Something must be wrong......he's telling the truth and as he says I'm crying on everyones shoulders.

I Hope You're Right Mel!

Timmer
 
This horse has been beatin' so much ~ there ain't s@#t left 'cept a few bones and horse hair ! :(
 
I just want to make something clear that in my last post might be misunderstood. I did not intend to imply that Darkman had in fact sent a defective knife to Jerry. That is just what Jerry posted had happened. What I was trying to point out is that even if he did receive a faulty knife he had no business passing that faulty knife on to another person. I totally believe Darkman when he says that the knife he sent was in perfect working order when it left him. Sorry Darkman for not making this clear in my last post.

Jerry has many times tried to make it sound like it is Darkman that initially screwed him. He posts that the sending back of the knife to Butch Valloton is proof that Darkman knew there was something wrong with the knife. Personally, I think the fact that Darkman was considerate enough to have the knife thoroughly gone over by Butch before trading it is something to be commended for. That means that he is trying to send a knife in the best possible condition to it's new owner and that is pretty damn classy in my book.
 
timmer..
you know good and well what i wrote you..but, it is no matter as it is easy to see that getting the knife fixrd to your satisfaction is NOT your intention..you know..i am much more sorry than you are...sorry i ever offered to sell the knife to a newbie..a lesson learned here as well!

i will stick with the people that know me and what i stand for..that is good enough for me..
 
mel,
don't humor yourself...WHERE DID I SAY THE TRADES WERE DONE HERE? BF is NOT the only game in town..matter of fact most of my trades are with the BIG ON-LINE CUSTOM KNIFE DEALERS..and they have ALL been satisified!

again..I OFFERED EARLY in this thread to be removed..REMEMBER THAT!
 
Dog,
Yes I'm very aware of what the emails contained as I've saved all of them. You obviously are lying or you would have posted them here to prove your side of the story. Post the emails Jerry. Prove me a liar as I have with you. I'm also very sorry for not understanding that a 99.99% condition knife could have the following flaws and that they could go unmentioned:
Broken Kickerspring
Thumstud Screw Stripped Out and Converted to Lefthand
Liner Lock Won't Fully Engage in Auto Mode
MAJOR Bladeplay

Thanks for setting a "Newbie" straight Jerry. I now feel confident that I'm better equipped to grade the condition of a knife more accurately Thanks to you. I'm also very sorry that I didn't research the GB&U Forum more thoroughly before dealing with you Jerry because it's very obvious that you're not very bright. There is a pattern there. People report, you counteraccuse and if anyone agrees, Poor Jerry is the victim. Oh by the way, I'll be contacting Pay Pal on Monday and if I say it you can bet that I mean it. I wonder if you'll still be here by then?

Timmer
 
...I'm not 'humoring myself' at all, in fact, I fail to see ANY humor in this. You're getting to see my serious side now bud, the part that I normally keep to myself...

I'm thankful that you realize there are 'other' games in town, and hopefully you'll go play with yourself there...

And again, though you "OFFERED" to have yourself removed, and even posted some shyte to the effect that you were leaving, you're still here...

I'll tell you something now...from the heart, words of advice to you, my fellow forumite..."You should have 'done the right thing' from the git..." Right from Tim's very first email, your response should have been, "Fine, send it back, no questions asked...I'll return your money as soon as possible"

That's it, done deal.

If he was unhappy with the knife based on its condition, Tim should have asked for his money back, and you should have refunded it, right then.

If the knife didn't come back to you in the exact same condition that you sent it to Tim, then you would have had a legitmate complaint against him...but that's not the way it panned out, and that's a shame.

If you had offered an immediate full refund, and Tim turned it down, then he he wouldn't have a complaint...end of story.

I hope we've all learned a few lessons here, those lessons being; truth in advertising, and tolerant communication, are paramount.

No, I'm not laughing Jerry, and this isn't humorous at all.

Mel
 
EASY TO JUDGE OTHERS MEL...and easy to say when it IS NOT YOU..i don't believe you would for one minute bite the bullet on a broken knife..i doubt you or ANYONE would take back a knife you felt that someone else damaged..!

but, it sure sounds nice though..in a PERFECT WORLD.
 
...I'm extremely distrustful, to the point of being borderline paranoid, but I learned a long time ago that if I didn't 'force' myself to trust others, I was going to go nuts...

So, yes, with each and every trade/sale I do, I'm concerned that I'm going to somehow get screwed over...I almost expect it, but I always hope for the best.

So far I've been pretty lucky, and haven't had too many problems. The ONLY problems I've had, have been when the other party misrepresented the knife, stating it to be in nicer condition that it actually was.

Twice, once in each of the last two years, and it sucked majorly! There is absolutely no room for deceit here at BFC!

This has caused me to be that much more paranoid, to come down hard on people like you, and now I detail even the slightest of flaws in any knives that I trade or sell...I don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else!

Therefore, I'm harder on myself than I am on others.

That being said, 'buyer's remorse' is NOT a reason to unwind a deal, but a factual misrepresentation of a knife's condition most certainly is!

Mel
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top