Unhappy Emerson Owner

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Silverweasel,

Don't worry about some of the comments people make on these boards. You see, what happens is some people buy knives they are not entirely happy with and feel a need to justify their purchases. This is usually done by finding other disgruntled buyers and slamming them as idiots for attacking their prized possesion. It's a big insecurity thing if you ask me.

Anyway, based on what you said, it seems that Emerson isn't the way to go. Emerson may be just another big company that doens't really care... because they don't have to. Stick with custom makers if you can afford it, I've never been disapointed with anything from Tom Mayo. Personally, I've never really liked the Emerson folders that I've seen, they always seemed of poor quality for their price range. Also, you should know that Emerson has been getting a lot of flak from other bladeforum members as well, you're not alone.


-Robert
 
Maybe it's just me,but if I have to email someone 50 times,and another 10 with my phone number to get a response,I'm buying from someone else next time.Anything more than one email is too many if you ask me.:(
It's funny that it's OK for someone to post a good response for someone doing what should have been done in the first place,but you have to jump through hoops to give the other person a chance to make things right before posting a bad response?:confused: My free time is too valuable,and limited to be able to put that much effort into giving the other guy the chance to make something right,when it should have been done in the first place.Ken
 
Originally posted by BlackRazor
Silverweasel,

Don't worry about some of the comments people make on these boards. You see, what happens is some people buy knives they are not entirely happy with and feel a need to justify their purchases. This is usually done by finding other disgruntled buyers and slamming them as idiots for attacking their prized possesion. It's a big insecurity thing if you ask me.
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You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

If I took your comment on face value and I did not own an Emerson, I would still disagree with you. You have basically called some people "stupid." And you wrapped that and sugar-coated it by saying it's an "insecurity thing."

That COULD be true if it were not for the fact that many people that defend Emerson Knives own MANY Emerson Knives. They were also former or current Owners of Benchmade, Cold Steel and Spyderco Products, not to mention the Customs some own.

There is no way I would buy multiples of a knife if it were not a quality item and I think many more people are that way.

If you were to buy multiples of a piss-poor knife, that's what you have. A drawer full of piss-poor knives.

Many Emerson Owners have a drawer full of unused knives and they're not Emersons, they're from the aforementioned Manufacturers.

So, basically, you're saying they're stupid. That does not wash.

Anyway, based on what you said, it seems that Emerson isn't the way to go. Emerson may be just another big company that doens't really care... because they don't have to.
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There is a certain element of truth to that, the only problem with the statement is, it can be applied to almost any Manufacturer to some degree.

"Silverweasel" is a questionable character anyway. Number of posts plus the "retribution" and "No more Mr. Nice Guy" comments seems to point to just another anonymous clone of someone else, maybe someone in this thread.

Stick with custom makers if you can afford it, I've never been disapointed with anything from Tom Mayo.
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That's the best thing you said in the entire post.

Personally, I've never really liked the Emerson folders that I've seen, they always seemed of poor quality for their price range.
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I find them to be just fine, if they were not, I would never have purchased anymore of them. Would I like some things to change? Absolutely! That does not mean they're "junk" as one person stated.

Also, you should know that Emerson has been getting a lot of flak from other bladeforum members as well, you're not alone.


-Robert
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Yes, from when people purchased Emersons in the past primarily. Everything of late has been just fine.

Silverweasel is not even an issue, given his attitude, if he even exists as a person other than someone already posting, but if he is not some anonymous clone, he probably wrote a letter or E-mail much like you read in here. In which case, he was probably ignored. And rightly so.
 
If I buy a knife and it has certain problems, I'm going to do a review of the knife in Knife Reviews and Testing as a way of providing data for my fellow knife buyers. Most people understand that a single knife with QC problems does not constitute an indictment of an entire company -- in much the same way that many people have complained of problems with Columbia River linerlocks, while many others have had no problems. All this data is useful to knife buyers, because it helps provide them with a wider sample from which to make judgements about a company in general.

If, on the other hand, I claim to have purchased a single knife from a company whose products I have never owned before, and I use this single knife as the data on which to base the personal attack, "Emerson is living on his past reputation ---- not on the quality of his knives," I may or may not be correct in my judgment. However, if I then cross post my complaint and my attack to multiple forums, I run the very real risk of appearing to be an Agenda Troll with an axe to grind against Emerson.
 
Don, I think you protest too much. Either way, you like Emerson, I don't, and I'll stick by what I said.

I would also like to add that I think that a single bad knife is a very good reason to doubt the quality of a company. Sorry folks, but if your QC is any good, these type of things should NEVER happen. However, it's not like this is the the only incident of QC problems we've heard concerning Emerson. The really good makers, such as custom guys like D. Ralph, Mayo, and the high quality production guys (e.g. Chris Reeve) have never had a QC problem (at least not that I remember)... that's what QC is all about! Perhaps I've just come to expect too much, but with all the great knives availble to us these days, it seems you can do a lot better than Emerson.
 
BlackRazor, if you search Bladeforums you will find reports of quality control problems with knives made by just about every factory, and even some custom makers. I don't think you'll fail to find something for any manufacturer, if the search function is working at the time you make the search (it's not perfectly reliable).
 
Yeah... QC problems. Just like that Sebenza you had that kept opening in your pocket due to some manufacturer's defect that you couldn't find, nor could CRK because you never sent it back for CRK to inspect.

Sorry Blackrazor, but your arguments on QC hold no water here. You have a history of these kinds of posts, and as such your opinion should be ignored.

-Al-
 
I guess that means Tom Mayo should be the only guy in business making folders anymore!

He'll have some smilies for that remark!

Seriously, thanks for the heads up about this guy, Blackrazor.

There have been Sebenza problems in the past. I believe when he was making the transition from Customs to Semi-Customs where he, CRK, had a large hand in and on the knives, to more employees where you saw an explosion of the Sebenza, sales-wise.

Everyone has put out a **** once in a while.
 
Alelser, read this and try to understand: My Sebenza DID NOT HAVE ANY QC problems, my problem with it was that the design of the knife was not suited to my needs and I had to modify it for tip down so that it would work properly (for me). There was nothing defective with the knife, all other Sebenza's I've handled behaved the same way mine did, so there was no reason to send it back. The only thing that would have fixed it would be a tip down modification, which they informed me they would not do. How many times do I need to say this before people like you will understand?! You discredit yourself, Alelser, with uninformed posts like this. I think it's more likely that you're just another Sebneza owner whose feelings were hurt by my criticism of the sebenza. Too bad for you.

Cougar, I think you're right. What I mean is that there are many high quality manufacturers against whom I personally have never seen a QC complaint. But they're probably out there somewhere. It just seems that Emerson has been getting a bad rep here at the bladeforums, and there is likely to be a good reason for it, don't you think? The alternative explanation is that there's just some small group of wackos who hate Emerson for some unknown reason, but that doesn't seem to be very likely.

-Robert
 
"I guess that means Tom Mayo should be the only guy in business making folders anymore!"

I'll second that one, Don!;) Though, they say variety is the spice of life, you would have to diversify sometime, if for no other reason than to appreciate Tom's quality.

You seem like a guy who's been here for a while (4000+ posts!), how come you've never heard of Mayo before? He's one of the better known custom guys, at least, that's what I thought. Either way, you're welcome.

-Robert
 
Robert,

As I don't want to hijack this thread any more than we have already, I'll just offer anyone to do a search for Sebenza and the username Blackrazor and decide for themselves.

I do stand corrected that I didn't see you ever claim CRK had a QC problem, rather that it was a design problem in your opinion.

...a somewhat common problem with the Sebenza.
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In previous postings you claimed it was the knife. I'm glad to see you have come around and realized:
...my problem with it was that the design of the knife was not suited to my needs and I had to modify it for tip down so that it would work properly (for me).
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It was not that:
My sebenza has tried to kill me to many times, and I just can't carry it confidently anymore
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but rather that you were carrying it in a manner never intended by the manufacturer.

-Al-
 
You would be hard pressed to find a single knife company who has not had someone complain about quality control. Quality control does not ensure 100% perfect products, 100% of the time. Quality control is instituted in manufacturing to reduce the occurrence of defects. It never eliminates the possiblity completely.

I'm willing to bet somebody, somewhere, has gotten a Glock -- his first Glock ever -- that had some sort of quality control problem out of the box. Let's say I was that guy. I could go on Glocktalk.com and tell everyone there, "Man, I'll never buy another Glock. Glocks suck. How do I know? I bought my first Glock the other day and it has QC issues. I bet that Mr. Glock is just living off his reputation instead of doing his job right." I would then, quite rightly, be told I was trolling. (Specifically, I would be a variety of Contrarian Troll. If I posted to multiple forums at which Glocks were popular, I would then be the aforementioned Agenda Troll.)

Or, perhaps more fairly, I would appear to be such a troll, even if I was not.
 
Originally posted by BlackRazor
You seem like a guy who's been here for a while (4000+ posts!), how come you've never heard of Mayo before? He's one of the better known custom guys, at least, that's what I thought. Either way, you're welcome.

-Robert
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1. Of course I know who Tom Mayo is, did I say I never heard of him? No. Of course not. Anyone that knows Tom, knows he is known for his liberal sprinkling of smilies, i.e., emoticons. I guess you did not pick up on that part. In other words, I was being sarcastic.

2. Yes, I have been around here since the birth of the joint. I've seen the B.S. heaped, I've seen it shoveled away...I've seen the people like SilverClone and others come in and do their thing...all along, I have a Les Robertson Vest full of Production Emersons that keep chugging along!

I have all ten of my fingers, not missing a tip! Ain't that cool! SO much for liner lock failure. Liner locks have been far easier on my fingers than Martial Arts which have left the right hand a road map disaster of crunchy things that pass for cartilage and bone...fangers...that's the word.

I have a Sebenza in my pocket. Do a search, Sebenzas, CRK, they had a rather loud belch in QC some time ago as well. I guess CRK's are garbage too, huh?

I think alot of the Emerson bashing goes to, possibly, a lack of Customer Satisfaction in that, maybe some people have extremely high expectations of EKI and they were not met.

Myself, I have owned Custom Folders, and I've owned Benchmades, Cold Steel, Spyderco...even the crappers, Crickets - CRicKeTs - and although I have never had a problem with a Custom Folder or a Production Emerson, I've had problems from the other Companies noted, big time!

It's not that Emersons are without fault, I imagine, it's that, mine are.

It's quite apparent that Emerson Knives had a big blip on the radar screen.

SilverGator's complaints? B.S. [Waving hand, smells like a barnyard in this thread]

The question has always been, you see the same people attacking Emerson or defending those that attack Emerson for a blip in QC over a year ago.

It's old... this thread is inconsequential. The complaint, if the person even exists, was probably voiced in such a way that Jesus would ignore his ignorant ass. :D
 
Don, I thought when you said,

"Seriously, thanks for the heads up about this guy, Blackrazor."

that you meant that I "introduced" you to him or something, which I found hard to believe. The "seriously" threw me off. Sorry I didn't pick up on the sarcasm, I guess it's more difficult to detect in written form than spoken.

I just felt like some of you are being unecessarily harsh on this Silverweasel guy. He seems like he's having some frustrating problems and he came here to find the answer. I've done the same thing in the past and received similar treatment, although I felt my complaints were legit. If he's really a troll or whatever, then never mind, but I think we should give people the benefit of the doubt.

Alelser, I am not trying to start a war here or hijack anything. It was *my* fault that the sebenza was giving me problems, I was carrying it incorrectly, but that's just the way I like to carry my knives. Certain designs (e.g. tip up) just won't work for me, even if they are made to Reeve's high standard.

Also, I was not aware of the period of problems with the Sebenzas, so I stand corrected on that. And of course, they're not garbage. It just seems that I'm always hearing things about Emersons (relative to others)... if it's just one guy reposting under different names, well, I don't know what to say about that. :confused:
 
It's not one guy posting under different names all the time. There was a problem with QC apparently in the past with Emerson Production Knives. I never had one that was bad though. Some did.

Those that did, are a very vocal group of bashers.

The original complaint in this thread is just garbage as far as I'm concerned, just a vehicle for another knuckledragger to smack EKI around...as usual.
 
Thanks BlackRazor. I've been nuked by some of the guys on this board. On a positive note, I recently received a Small Sebenza from Chris Reeve. What a wonderful knife, beautifully constructed, close tolerances and locks like a bank vault. The only problem is that now I also want the full sized Sebenza.
Silverweasel
 
Silverweasel: Just curious as to the outcome of your phone conversation with Emerson Inc. I assume you did finally call them.

It is going to appear rather odd if, after all of this tedious thread, you did not even bother to call them. Please let us all know the outcome. Thanks.
 
Thanks for the comment, Al, though Tom really deserves all the glory for this one. It has instantly become by EDC. I put together some cool Tom Mayoesque watch/knife pics but haven't found a place to post them, yet. Technically, I guess my knife is a SNT, because it has a Stellite 6K blade instead of Talonite (Stellite 6BH). I don't know if it's the blade profile, the new alloy, or what, but this knife cuts like nothing else in my collection... It's AWESOME! I got it at the Vegas show last weekend and afterwards I had a permanent smile on my face:D

-Robert
 
Originally posted by Don Rearic

I think alot of the Emerson bashing goes to, possibly, a lack of Customer Satisfaction in that, maybe some people have extremely high expectations of EKI and they were not met.
Based on the price and hype why not? After all those are supposed to be #1 hard use.

It's quite apparent that Emerson Knives had a big blip on the radar screen.
I guess they are. However the blips and lots of flames on this forum are caused by the same group of individuals who think that they must personally insult every critic of EKI products and services. In other words it is rather artificial. Someone needs it, and there it goes. Doesn't take too much brains to call someone an idiot.

The question has always been, you see the same people attacking Emerson or defending those that attack Emerson for a blip in QC over a year ago.
Yawn. The old song of yours :) Very convenient. If you have more than 100 posts and you criticise EKI, you are the old basher and a troll, if you have less than 100 posts and you criticize EKI then automatically, you are a troll who just came to BF to bash EKI. Why would we have the hordes of determined EKI bashers in particular nobody's interested but anyways.

P.S. Take a look at EKI forum here, almost every new member was first labeled as a troll.
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