Update: Need Advice on A Transaction"

[cmac12]

First, as a privacy matter I'm going to ask moderators to scrub this thread of my PII, posted without my permission and, I believe in violation of applicable privacy laws.

Next, as a matter of the rules, facts of the transaction.

- Poster/respondent agreed to the sale of Strider VB and Tricon Fixed Blade with sheaths, used but in very good condition for a fixed price to include shipping with tracking

- Poster/respondent agreed to take cashiers check. A "cashiers check" is a negotiable item which the issuing institution sets aside "cash" directly payable to receiver. This was issued from a very reputable institution with a direct phone number that can be called if there are any doubts as to authenticity. Poster/respondent has not availed himself of that service. In fact, I would encourage and highly recommend that, if there are any questions regarding legitimacy, which I will guarantee as such

- Poster/respondent received the cashiers check by registered mail and acknowledged receipt.

- I'm told poster/respondent, as is the case with most institutions, received immediate credit for the cashiers check. The check has been through the normal banking and fraud processes and proven as authentic by those measures. Again, if there are any doubts, poster/respondent should investigate with his institution and/or the issuer. I encourage that.

- Poster/respondent indicated he had shipped the items as agreed with USPS tracking. Oddly, the USPS tracking shows the poster/respondents/shipper's address. It subsequently shows "delivered" to his address. USPS does not dispute that delivery

- Subsequently, a cardboard USPS priority mail flat rate envelope was shipped to the recipient. This of course, to a "normal" person, seems inadequate to hold the items poster/respondent alleges to have shipped. In fact, at no point during the transit does the envelope reflect the approximate weight of the promised items which is about 2.4 lbs.

- Envelope alleging to contain items was sent to and received by a secured, controlled, video monitored mail facility- not a private address. Package was logged, weighed (at less than one-half ounce).

- Envelope does not exhibit any signs of tampering, rips etc. and was received in fair condition with poster/shipper/respondents handwritten address label.

- Upon opening, envelope contained only Strider VB sheath.

- Receiver advised poster/respondent/shipper of situation and the lack of receipt of goods. Poster/respondent advises he is "investigating" and while trying to "resolve" posts this thread.

- Having delivered good, verified funds, receiver has asked for full refund for goods promised, but not delivered. At no point during transit is there any tangible proof goods were actually sent. In fact, more reasonable measures exists to prove the contrary.

- I am perfectly open to involving any law enforcement or legal personnel in an investigation. I am very comfortable with sanctity of that process. But what I am seeking is a refund. If the poster/respondent needs additional time to verify funds, he can do so. I've encouraged that.

- Just to be clear, as per the rules and common sense, I will not be litigating this matter within the thread. This is between parties to the transaction. I've only posted here as a courtesy and in deference to some of the fine people on this board.

I might also state I find some of the baseless speculation and allegations shameful and beneath what I've seen while lurking for years. I finally "joined" at the urging of a friend in law enforcement and jumped at the chance to transact what I believed was a legitimate sale. That was obviously a matter of very bad judgement.

Adding an update as per the rules;

- OP received "next day funds" on the Cashiers Check he deposited as per federal law, Regulation CC (12 CFR 229, 12 USC 4001). Anything to the contrary would be a violation of federal law. Every federally insured banking institution not only complies, but publishes a "Funds Availability Schedule", which easily verifies funds receipt
- The cashiers check has been validated as authentic. There is no question as to authenticity
- OP has stated purchaser should "file a claim with USPS" since package was insured. However, OP is not responding to PM's requesting copies of proof of insurance required by USPS for a claim. - I'll have to presume at this point OP has no intention of providing a refund or the information necessary to file a claim. This renders the recipient without the promised goods or a means to recover any funds
- A request for investigation has been filed with the USPIS in order to further clarify the facts around shipment

If anyone notices a Strider VB or especially the Tricon since it is more rare as "sold" or "available for sale" on another forum, local board, etc., please let me know.

I would request that you please keep this thread clean, factually sound and relevant to this subject as per the rules.

 

[bonky]

I'm unaware of any forum rules requiring an update. Do these rules require starting a new thread with the same title as the original? Could you point me to where you found these rules?

 

[braillediver]

Oh you. You're the bullshitter from the other thread that Didn't deal with forums.

Thanks for posting so you can go on my ignore list.

 

[MerryMadMonk]

I think cmac12 started a new thread because the other thread is closed and he may not know that he can ask a moderator to re-open the other thread.

I've followed the other thread pretty closely. It's not apparent to me that cmac12 is doing anything but stating his side.

US Postal Inspectors may eventually sort it out. Mail Fraud is a pretty serious offense.

 

[craytab]

You writing style is cold. This is not a court of law. Why not just talk to us. Walls of text written like a court briefing suck. You should also post a link to the original thread so people know what the hell you are talking about.

At this point this is a bunch of he said he said stuff. Can you prove that the envelope weighed what you said it does and that it had no signs of tampering? If so you could have gotten your money back by now had you used paypal. It would then be up to the seller to deal with the insurance. Insurance is for the protection of the seller not the buyer.

Don't know what else to say since you paid with a check. That complicates things the way I see it. Paypal was designed to protect buyers in situations just like this.

 

[brancron]

Here is the original thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1346656-Need-advice-on-transaction-Please!

 

[cmac12]

Gentlemen,

The rules make it very clear to state the facts and stay on topic. The last thread was closed since, even after a warning, the post was taken off track. I'm simply trying to honor the spirit of these rules and provide material follow-up without straying.

In summary, the seller is not responding to requests for USPS Insurance receipts and I am out the money/goods promised. Period. I've requested USPIS, et al to investigate the matter in order to determine what happened. I'm perfectly comfortable with LEO's and the additional tools they have at their disposal. By the way, we call that a "clue" I'm not some nefarious guy. I'll turn over to them whatever is requested. I've preserved the cardboard mailing envelope, etc. as requested.

Frankly, it's growing a bit tiresome being called names and having people make statements contrary to fact (i.e. cashiers checks) and the plain text of what I've posted. You'll forgive me if I don't respond to that. What can I say other than read the points I've listed. If there is a substantive question to answer, I will.

Thanks to those of you who have made substantive points or given suggestions. It is very much appreciated, as the ultimate goal here is resolution.

 

[BBKoenigsegg]

You writing style is cold. This is not a court of law. Why not just talk to us. Walls of text written like a court briefing suck.

+1. Also, you're making up "rules". There are no rules that require updates, it's just highly suggested so that people are informed. Honestly, you've responded very little, and when you do, your responses are just tough to get through. Case in point:

First, as a privacy matter I'm going to ask moderators to scrub this thread of my PII, posted without my permission and, I believe in violation of applicable privacy laws.

Next, as a matter of the rules, facts of the transaction.

- Poster/respondent agreed to the sale of Strider VB and Tricon Fixed Blade with sheaths, used but in very good condition for a fixed price to include shipping with tracking

- Poster/respondent agreed to take cashiers check. A "cashiers check" is a negotiable item which the issuing institution sets aside "cash" directly payable to receiver. This was issued from a very reputable institution with a direct phone number that can be called if there are any doubts as to authenticity. Poster/respondent has not availed himself of that service. In fact, I would encourage and highly recommend that, if there are any questions regarding legitimacy, which I will guarantee as such

- Poster/respondent received the cashiers check by registered mail and acknowledged receipt.

- I'm told poster/respondent, as is the case with most institutions, received immediate credit for the cashiers check. The check has been through the normal banking and fraud processes and proven as authentic by those measures. Again, if there are any doubts, poster/respondent should investigate with his institution and/or the issuer. I encourage that.

- Poster/respondent indicated he had shipped the items as agreed with USPS tracking. Oddly, the USPS tracking shows the poster/respondents/shipper's address. It subsequently shows "delivered" to his address. USPS does not dispute that delivery

- Subsequently, a cardboard USPS priority mail flat rate envelope was shipped to the recipient. This of course, to a "normal" person, seems inadequate to hold the items poster/respondent alleges to have shipped. In fact, at no point during the transit does the envelope reflect the approximate weight of the promised items which is about 2.4 lbs.

- Envelope alleging to contain items was sent to and received by a secured, controlled, video monitored mail facility- not a private address. Package was logged, weighed (at less than one-half ounce).

- Envelope does not exhibit any signs of tampering, rips etc. and was received in fair condition with poster/shipper/respondents handwritten address label.

- Upon opening, envelope contained only Strider VB sheath.

- Receiver advised poster/respondent/shipper of situation and the lack of receipt of goods. Poster/respondent advises he is "investigating" and while trying to "resolve" posts this thread.

- Having delivered good, verified funds, receiver has asked for full refund for goods promised, but not delivered. At no point during transit is there any tangible proof goods were actually sent. In fact, more reasonable measures exists to prove the contrary.

- I am perfectly open to involving any law enforcement or legal personnel in an investigation. I am very comfortable with sanctity of that process. But what I am seeking is a refund. If the poster/respondent needs additional time to verify funds, he can do so. I've encouraged that.

- Just to be clear, as per the rules and common sense, I will not be litigating this matter within the thread. This is between parties to the transaction. I've only posted here as a courtesy and in deference to some of the fine people on this board.

I might also state I find some of the baseless speculation and allegations shameful and beneath what I've seen while lurking for years. I finally "joined" at the urging of a friend in law enforcement and jumped at the chance to transact what I believed was a legitimate sale. That was obviously a matter of very bad judgement.

 

[lawfor]

Gentlemen,

The rules make it very clear to state the facts and stay on topic. The last thread was closed since, even after a warning, the post was taken off track. I'm simply trying to honor the spirit of these rules and provide material follow-up without straying.

In summary, the seller is not responding to requests for USPS Insurance receipts and I am out the money/goods promised. Period. I've requested USPIS, et al to investigate the matter in order to determine what happened. I'm perfectly comfortable with LEO's and the additional tools they have at their disposal. By the way, we call that a "clue" I'm not some nefarious guy. I'll turn over to them whatever is requested. I've preserved the cardboard mailing envelope, etc. as requested.

Frankly, it's growing a bit tiresome being called names and having people make statements contrary to fact (i.e. cashiers checks) and the plain text of what I've posted. You'll forgive me if I don't respond to that. What can I say other than read the points I've listed. If there is a substantive question to answer, I will.

Thanks to those of you who have made substantive points or given suggestions. It is very much appreciated, as the ultimate goal here is resolution.

Nicely written and professional response. I haven't followed this situation closely and so don't have any opinion, but I appreciate the non-inflammatory and matter-of-fact tone. All too often, I have seen people post legitimate concerns about a deal gone wrong and then get attacked. It's unfortunate.

 

[stonesell]

You writing style is cold. This is not a court of law. Why not just talk to us. Walls of text written like a court briefing suck. You should also post a link to the original thread so people know what the hell you are talking about.

At this point this is a bunch of he said he said stuff. Can you prove that the envelope weighed what you said it does and that it had no signs of tampering? If so you could have gotten your money back by now had you used paypal. It would then be up to the seller to deal with the insurance. Insurance is for the protection of the seller not the buyer.

Don't know what else to say since you paid with a check. That complicates things the way I see it. Paypal was designed to protect buyers in situations just like this.

I agree here that insurance claims are always filed by the seller, and about needing a receipt to to prove payment of insurance, does not make sense, since all that is already in the system.

 

[craytab]

Nicely written and professional response. I haven't followed this situation closely and so don't have any opinion, but I appreciate the non-inflammatory and matter-of-fact tone. All too often, I have seen people post legitimate concerns about a deal gone wrong and then get attacked. It's unfortunate.

Well we see this differently. When some one says: "By the way, we call that a "clue" " that is condescending. He has spoken this way in every post he has made. He wins no points when talking down to those he is trying to convince. I know, I can talk down at people with the best of them.

 

[craytab]

If there is a substantive question to answer, I will.

You must have missed it above so I'll ask it again: Can you prove that the envelope weighed what you said it does and that it had no signs of tampering?

I am not sure what your goal here is You don't need to convince any of us of your innocence. You need to convince the USPIS or Law Enforcement. They are the only ones who can help you now.

 

[cmac12]

As noted in my post the cardboard USPS letter envelope shows no signs of tampering. It retains the original label/packaging from sender. I am preserving it at their urging. As can be deduced, they also have additional evidentiary tools at their disposal including video, tracking/package information. I'm told that includes weight related data.

 

[craytab]

As noted in my post the cardboard USPS letter envelope shows no signs of tampering. It retains the original label/packaging from sender. I am preserving it at their urging. As can be deduced, they also have additional evidentiary tools at their disposal including video, tracking/package information. I'm told that includes weight related data.

Okay then.

 

[ooitzoo]

You must have missed it above so I'll ask it again: Can you prove that the envelope weighed what you said it does and that it had no signs of tampering?

I am not sure what your goal here is You don't need to convince any of us of your innocence. You need to convince the USPIS or Law Enforcement. They are the only ones who can help you now.

I'm not familiar with the specific details here but it seems like the other side can weigh in or make the situation right. Just my 0.02.

 

[craytab]

I'm not familiar with the specific details here but it seems like the other side can weigh in or make the situation right. Just my 0.02.

brancron has a link to the original thread above. It was a mess and got derailed several times. Basically there is nothing for us here. This is in the hands of USPIS and/or Law enforcement. Not really sure why the OP is bring this up again. He wasn't an active member before this. Most of his reputation here is this mess. He's got no face to save. He also made it very clear in the other thread the disdain he has for discussing this situation with anyone, like he has done here. He is here to only provide us with his information but why I don't know.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

Well we see this differently. When some one says: "By the way, we call that a "clue" " that is condescending. He has spoken this way in every post he has made. He wins no points when talking down to those he is trying to convince. I know, I can talk down at people with the best of them.

I have no problem with his style of writing. He's laying out the facts without slinging insults and accusations. Wish we had more like that. around here.

 

[ooitzoo]

brancron has a link to the original thread above. It was a mess and got derailed several times. Basically there is nothing for us here. This is in the hands of USPIS and/or Law enforcement. Not really sure why the OP is bring this up again. He wasn't an active member before this. Most of his reputation here is this mess. He's got no face to save. He also made it very clear in the other thread the disdain he has for discussing this situation with anyone, like he has done here. He is here to only provide us with his information but why I don't know.

I tried to figure out the other thread but its a mess and I can't really figure out what is going on there.

He may want to clear his name or may believe he has a genuine concern. Either way, we can either read it or ignore it.

 

[knifehunt]

So where has the OP gone, has anyone heard from him?

 

[JohnWE]

brancron has a link to the original thread above. It was a mess and got derailed several times. Basically there is nothing for us here. This is in the hands of USPIS and/or Law enforcement. Not really sure why the OP is bring this up again. He wasn't an active member before this. Most of his reputation here is this mess. He's got no face to save. He also made it very clear in the other thread the disdain he has for discussing this situation with anyone, like he has done here. He is here to only provide us with his information but why I don't know.

I particularly liked the veiled references that are supposed to have people believe he's in law enforcement, that's a clue...