Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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Eich is welcome to post the "whens", "whos" and "wheres" pertaing to the shipment. If he is physically unable to respond personally, a delegate can do so for him...

Since June 1, 2004, I've waited for Eich to detail his addtional "150 of additional expenses". He only cursed me publically on "another knife forum", and sent out false massages the that knife was sent out.

When I did pay him what he asked, it was a last ditch effort to get my knife back. He admitted having had received payment, and said he sent an e-mail to me... I immediately said that i did not receive it, and was flamed by the forumites overtaken by the mob like mentaliy prevelant there. The last time I heard from him was in the post saying the money was received, and calling me a "choad".

Bottom line is that Mr. Eichenseer has a $400 knife, and was paid $210 by way of PayPal. No work was performed on the knife, as I decided not to go ahead with the project... I have not been given my property back, and Mr. Eichenseer continues to play games. The games began on June 1, 2004...

On 10/10/2004, Mr. Eichenseer reported on his forum that he's back to work, and sorting things out... This would be most welcome! :rolleyes:
 
You may all recongnize me as the guy who had a sour deal with Kyle quite a while back. That said, I chime in to Dan's defense as I know well the behaviour typified at that OTHER site. The mob mentality. THe defense of your online friend merely by their word and not by fact or evidence. That aside, as a spectator of this play I would say the following:
Kyle, should have had the money and knife in the mail, months ago. As there was no work done on the knife, that would have been the end of the story. Both party's would have been fine with their reputations in tact. Now that may not be the case. With respect, everyone seems to be sure that Kyle was definately ill and had surgery. That we all can agree. So, what needed to be done then was an email should have been sent out to all Kyle's standing orders notifying them of the time line change and the reason why. As well, when a customer requires info as to why you need more money from them for the work you are doing, you give it to them period! You tell them what and why to their satisfaction and not your own. End of story. If a customer should cancel the order, that is also fine. You simply send the money minus shipping cost plus the knife back to them asap. Everyone would have been fine if clear explainations were given. It certainly appears none were. This avoidance and then name calling and childish bahaviour makes people feel suspicious and question you. You only have yourself to blame if they do. That would have been good business. Or, if Eich is that ill that he cannot bring himself to the computerthen telephoning or having one of his online buddies relay the message should suffice and without malice mind you! No flaming or dogpiling or banning necesarry. The very fact that Dan did all what Kyle asked is to his credit as a customer and the fact that he waited as long as he did to let all this air is also to his credit.
I too have had to delay many orders for numerous reasons...heck I have even had to send a refund already as a customer was waiting too long and needed his money back. That was fine. Paying attention to Dan as a customer, a man who is paying your bills with his hard earned money is what needs to be done. It's the right thing to do. Any childish behaviour is "Suspect" on anyone's part (o; Now that the knife is supposedly in the mail we shall wait and see and hopefully the right thing was finally done (almost 5 months later). DrDan has been more than cool about this and Kyle should be greatful he has been as cool as he has. I chime in for two reasons
1. That DrDan has been a great sprt about this, never calling people names or acting inappropriately. Therefore it would seem as an outsider that he is in the right.
2. That I too have had a bad deal with Eich and know well what he and his like are capable of at that OTHER site. I have been lied about and had customers and other forumites be mislead about my character. That isn't to say that they are all bad at the OTHER site. I have many friends there who also participate here and are excellent forumites all around. However, there is a gang mentality there that I know all too well. I am glad to no longer participate there as I left that childish, unfair, partisan and unjust gang behaviour behind when I was a teenager.

An apology to DrDan should be forthcoming!
 
Since Dan has been banned from 'the other place', Eich needs to come here, and post his side of what happened.

Did he send the knife and supplies out? Did he email a tracking # and have it bounce? Who knows, except him. Dan says he didn't receive any tracking #, or any email correspondence from Eich, so Eich needs to remedy this, and either resend to Dan, or post here.

It is a shame that the mob mentality still prevails at the other place, and that people there immediately assume that one of their own is in the right, before all of the facts are on the table. it is also a shame that someone banned Dan from there, simply for asking a member to honor his commitment.

Your turn, Kyle. What's the deal from your perspective? did you honor your agreement with Dan?
 
DrDan, I am sorry to see your situation deteriorating - I have recently be "excommunicated" myself for other matters far more entertaining but less relevant to anything of substance than this issue.

I did read in the "troll hole" at the Other Site (this is so childish - can we just say Usual Suspect Network and get on with it?) about this stupid and asinine situation - lemme get this right, you sent him money and a knife, regardless of health issues, you are still out a pile of money and a knife, correct?

In the initial deal, and quite frankly I don't care about the details other than this particular point, was there an allowance made for "practice" prior to making the real thing, or were you given a price? If you were given a bottom line price, suck it up and send the man his knife already.

Any extraneous costs are on the guy offering the services unless it is written down somewhere and you all are agreed upon it. If you offer to paint the guy's house and it takes three times as long as you thought, well, whose fault is that? Not the guy who owns the house.

An agreement is an agreement. No proof of actual expenses = no expenses, period. If you are DrDan, you have been provided with no proof to date of what those expenses were, you sent him further money, which he acknowledges receipt, and then refers to you as a "choad" which I assume is some sort of internet term for something. And you do not have the knife back. Let's not forget this point.

Kyle, bad boy. Come over here and explain yourself properly. Sick or not, if you have time to email your friends, you have time to email the guy you do not know and you have his money and property.
 
Gentlemen, let's not lose sight of the real problem. This is between two people over a knife. It has nothing to do with any other website or organization. Please do not spend any more effort to characterize it as such or we may find our access to this discussion terminated.

This is not childishness; it is knowledge of history.
 
This really has nothing to do with the USN. It is between Dan and Kyle. It has dragged on for way too long and needs to be put to bed. Hopefully Dan will get his knife and the materials he paid for in the near future. I'm not exactly sure when they were shipped, but Kyle says they are their way to him, Dan is in Italy so it might take a little while to get there.

It would be great if Kyle would confirm the tracking number, but you know what? If he doesn't feel like doing so there is nothing that can be done about it. Sometimes people let their anger get the better of them and they decide to hell with the other guy. "I am not going to communicate with him at all and if he has a problem with that, that's just too damn bad", is the attitude taken. At a time when cooler heads should prevail, anger takes over and makes a mess of everything. The longer this goes the worse it looks, so hopefully it will be over soon.
 
Eich was paid by PayPal on September 28, and the PayPal message clearly gave a U.S. address for the knife to be sent to. I followed by sending an e-mail with the same address. There can be no confusion as to where the knife was to be sent...

Thanks for your posts, guys. Obviously I'm hoping for an amicable resolution.
 
Drdan said:
Eich was paid by PayPal on September 28, and the PayPal message clearly gave a U.S. address for the knife to be sent to. I followed by sending an e-mail with the same address. There can be no confusion as to where the knife was to be sent...
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You did mention that earlier didn't you? Oh well, I guess I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have. So if Kyle sent the knife and materials to the US address, it should be there pretty quickly. Let's all cross our fingers for Dan.
 
I agree wholeheartedly that this has gone on too long. Drdan, you have already gone above and beyond what I feel most reasonable people would do. Unfortunately, I feel it's probably time for you to contact an attorney.
 
Esav, you are kinda right that it has nothing to do with the USN and was only between Kyle and Dan but when the rest of the Suspects start butting in with only Kyle's word as evidence then it does become an issue with the USN as they have made it so. This is not an uncommon occurance at the USN. It seems there are a few who have posted here in Drdan's favor that have seen this type of behaviour before. This "Suspects are beyond question" mentality. This flaming and piling on the non-suspect before all the facts are out. WIthout evidence, merely by the word of the Suspect. Well, as we have seen thru Kyle's conduct....that isn't the case. He has handled this very poorly AND I believe he is their Tech Support guy isn't he? So when the USN had tech issues since June who did they go to if he was so sick? There must have been at least one Technical issue in the last almost 6 months. That would be normal to assume with such a website, no? Anyway, gving him the benefit of the doubt that there were no Tech issues and that he was truly that sick that he could only make it to his computer once in a blue moon to email his friends or call his friends and not his disatisfied customer would be pretty silly of anyone to lend so much trust. The fact that he would get angry enough to call DrDan names also would imply guilt and the desire to deflect blame from himself to DrDan and fan the flaming of DrDan by the rest of his USN buddies. That would implicate the USN as part of the problem the wouldn't it? Good luck Dan, I hope he's done the right thing and sent you what belongs to you....R
 
I hope your materials and knife arrive quickly and safely.After this is all over you can put it behind you and you never have to deal with the knifemaker again,he also never has to deal with you.People that have monitored this event unfold at both forums, can make up their own minds who was wronged from the information on these posts.I do wish you the best of luck,and it was unfortunate that this whole situation happend at all.
 
Just read the posts on the other site and Dan seems to be the nicest guy in the world who has ever been mad cause someone is trying to screw him. He hasn't acted like a 12 year old like the other forum members who's only answer seems to be that a 'Suspect' would never do anything wrong. Boy, that's a good argument. Rates right up there with cuz I said so.

Good luck Dan, it looks like you'll need it to get this guy to come clean. If it makes you feel any better I'd never buy anything from this guy or the jokers who don't think it should matter he screwed you, a customer. If it was them they'd be going berzerk so don't let their posturing change your mind.

People like this should not be in business. Uh oh, now I'm a choad too. At least I'm an honest choad who stands behind my work and wouldn't screw anyone who trusted me enough to send me their prized possesions to work on. And I don't need any special forum title to tell me that either. I'll earn respect, not demand it without cause.

later,

Oily

ps. I liked how the jackals swarmed on the one guy who had his own opinion and stated it decently. He then broke down and started saying he agreed with them just so he would belong after they all attacked him.
 
Actually,I'm the poor guy that was attacked :D Somewhat because they thought I was a troll based on my previously utilized forum handle of "satan"
That forum handle didn't garnish much positive reaction,go figure lol. :eek:
I didn't agree with them just to belong,but I did admit not knowing all the facts about the situation before :footinmou .
I then decided to bite my tongue and stay out of the argument.I still don't know what all correspondance took place between the two individuals via e-mail over the time period in question.It was said the knifemaker in question was ill,so as to the delay.I do agree with you though,that I stated my opinion decently,and the attack was uncalled for no matter what forum titles one wears.I also got many messages of support that was "unposted" in that I was mistreated.But hey,I'm an easy guy to get along with,I don't hold any grudges.Take Care,Ralph
 
No disrespect meant Tombstone. I agree/agreed with you. I also found it funny that a bunch of tuff guys were offended by the title of Satan.

Later,

Oily
 
OilMan said:
No disrespect meant Tombstone. I agree/agreed with you. I also found it funny that a bunch of tuff guys were offended by the title of Satan.

Later,

Oily
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I was suprised anyone was offended as well,but I didn't really care for my forum handle much anyway.It was just One of those day's when I couldn't think up a good forum name :) Thanks,Ralph
 
Hopefully this gentleman can come here and post the tracking numbers. That would go a long way, otherwise I would have to believe what I am being told above and thats that this guy is ripping people off and using his good reputation to get away with it. Hope thats not the case. :(
 
I like to read on this forum and do a couple of puchases here and there. I like KFC, BFC, and USN. They are all great places to be. So why when a mod says its not good to start a flame war it gets done anyway?

Dave Abrahmson, aka Lifter both here and at USN, offered to help Dan out. Was the offer accepted or not?

I sincerely hope that Dan gets back what is his.

But to sum it up, it is a dispute between a knifemaker and a customer. So don't do business with him again. I've made that choice before as well. But why insult those of use who are able and like to frequent both forums?

Spyken is very right, this is very sad that this thread degenerated into forum insults.
 
maestrodawg1 said:
Dave Abrahmson, aka Lifter both here and at USN, offered to help Dan out. Was the offer accepted or not?
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Dave Abrahmson did indeed offer to help me out... In mid July, he related to Kyle that I wanted to amicably settle any dispute, and get my knife back. He did as promised, and not wanting to get personally involved, let me know so when I let him know that Kyle never sent out the package. In any event, Dave kept his word, and I'm grateful for conveying several messages.

John Wylie also offered to help, and told me in July that Kyle told him that he sent out the knife. A few weeks after being told this, I contacted John again, and let him know that the knife never arrived. He again contacted Kyle, who reportedly said the knife was indeed sent to me in Italy. After a couple of more weeks, and after having had let John know again that the knife didn't arrive, he told me again that Kyle said he sent it out...! John also tried to help, and apparently Kyle lied about having had sent out the knife.

Kyle's newest claim that he sent out the knife is suspect at best. Surely Kyle knows of this thread, and my contention that I never received an e-mail from him. I invite him to post the particulars pertaining to the parcel, so that it "can be found!" If Kyle is telling the truth that he sent me my knife (a U.S. address was entered in the PayPal message), where is it, and why does he refuse to sent me the routing number, etc. He can certainly allow one of his "Suspects" to do so if he's not lying...
 
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