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n8swag said:
Yeah, cause most of the "men" today are pansies. lol
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Spoken like a true 17yr old...

And I don't mean to be condescending. There are folks who have valid reasons for their choices in life; sometimes those reasons are obvious, other times obscure.
 
timberweasel said:
Spoken like a true 17yr old...

And I don't mean to be condescending. There are folks who have valid reasons for their choices in life.
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Ummm... yeahhh.. so here's how I look at it. When the boys of today(my friends) grow up without mowing their yards, doing any outside labor, sit around playing video games when they aren't spending their parents money, don't know how to change a tire, don't know what a driveshaft is-the boys of today will grow up to pansies. Just a personal opinion.
 
n8swag said:
Ummm... yeahhh.. so here's how I look at it. When the boys of today(my friends) grow up without mowing their yards, doing any outside labor, sit around playing video games when they aren't spending their parents money, don't know how to change a tire, don't know what a driveshaft is-the boys of today will grow up to pansies. Just a personal opinion.
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I understand what you're saying, and it certainly sounds as though you've had the benefit of a well-rounded up-bringing. Others might not have been so lucky... ;)
 
timberweasel said:
I understand what you're saying, and it certainly sounds as though you've had the benefit of a well-rounded up-bringing. Others might not have been so lucky... ;)
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That's true... that's how muh daddy raised me lol. Buuut still... most of my buddies choose to be gamers instead of doing other stuff. I am very thankful for my parents though
 
n8swag said:
Ummm... yeahhh.. so here's how I look at it. When the boys of today(my friends) grow up without mowing their yards, doing any outside labor, sit around playing video games when they aren't spending their parents money, don't know how to change a tire, don't know what a driveshaft is-the boys of today will grow up to pansies. Just a personal opinion.
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You want to tell us what you mean by "pansies"? I see how those boys could grow up to be lazy, but I'm not getting the "pansies" thing.
 
timberweasel said:
Spoken like a true 17yr old...

And I don't mean to be condescending. There are folks who have valid reasons for their choices in life; sometimes those reasons are obvious, other times obscure.
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n8swag said:
Ummm... yeahhh.. so here's how I look at it. When the boys of today(my friends) grow up without mowing their yards, doing any outside labor, sit around playing video games when they aren't spending their parents money, don't know how to change a tire, don't know what a driveshaft is-the boys of today will grow up to pansies. Just a personal opinion.
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timberweasel said:
I understand what you're saying, and it certainly sounds as though you've had the benefit of a well-rounded up-bringing. Others might not have been so lucky... ;)
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n8swag said:
That's true... that's how muh daddy raised me lol. Buuut still... most of my buddies choose to be gamers instead of doing other stuff. I am very thankful for my parents though
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marcinek said:
You want to tell us what you mean by "pansies"? I see how those boys could grow up to be lazy, but I'm not getting the "pansies" thing.
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Are we talking about knives here? This is the General KNIFE discussion forum. If you can't stay on topic, don't post.
 
Thomas W said:
First off you missed correcting the second part of the quote, and secondly, what's your fricken point?
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My point is that if one wants to support/motivate USA-made knives, is seems there are many opportunities to do so by buying American-made knives from American companies. (To me, it's a world economy...I'll buy from knives from about any country if they are well made, including China.)

As far as the second part of the quote, I believe that CRKT M-16s are made in Taiwan and/or China only. I was in the process of checking if that was the case....but I think you just verified it! :thumbup:
 
Well, seems I recall that Gerber was bought by Fiskars -- a company out of Finland -- prior to their moving a large portion of their production offshore (to China).

I always thought that was Ironic. Some of the most affordable quality knives I own were made in Finland, and yet a Finnish company buys an American company and offshores production . . . to China? That just always seemed odd.

And American companies aren't the only ones resorting to Asian offshore manufacture. Boker (Germany) has a couple of lines now made in China. EKA (Sweden) had some done over there, although I'm not sure whether the Outdoor Edge partnership is still doing any of that. Well, now that I think of it, all the new Rapala knives (typically OEM'd by EKA) I've seen in the last couple of years have been Chinese made. There are other EU-based makers that have gone Asian for production.

Buck knives took some of its production to China, but they're bringing it home. They now have more than 85% of their stuff made right here in Idaho.

Kershaw . . . I dunno. Some of my favorite pieces (the 3140, 3120, 3115, 3110), very traditional formats, used to be made in Japan and had solid quality. Now made in China and the steel has changed on those. I have yet to try the Chinese 31xx patterns.

Gerber is still struggling with their offshore quality.

Benchmade and a couple of others (CRKT) are using Taiwan, and from what I've seen they have nothing for which to apologize.

Spyderco has some offshore production.

However . . .

Buck is domesically owned, as are Spyderco, Benchmade, and Case . . . and Moore Maker . . . and Queen Cutlery . . . and GEC . . . and Bear & Sons . . . and Ka-Bar . . . and ESEE . . . and Ontario. Buck, moreover, is a family business. The chairman of the board and the CEO still carry the Buck family name, four generations into their story.

We lost Camillus and Schrade (Taylor may be a lost cause). Frost Cutlery went "south" when they pulled their production from Japan and sent it to China. United? Columbia? Pretty much all being done in China lately.


So, yeah, we've lost a few. We've had a couple get bought and go cheap on us.

But we still have a wide selection of serious quality out there.

 
marcinek said:
My point is that if one wants to support/motivate USA-made knives, is seems there are many opportunities to do so by buying American-made knives from American companies.
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So what, we need an asterisk next to or Made in the USA products? I doesn't really count that we're supporting literally hundreds of American workers/families, not counting the outreach to the plethora of American vendors through our Tualatin Oregon factory output because our headquarters are in Seki City? Am I hearing you right here?
 
Thomas W said:
So what, we need an asterisk next to or Made in the USA products? I doesn't really count that we're supporting literally hundreds of American workers/families, not counting the outreach to the plethora of American vendors through our Tualatin Oregon factory output because our headquarters are in Seki City? Am I hearing you right here?
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I couldn't agree with you more. That's why I don't object to knives made just about anywhere. If I buy a Chinese made knife from an American seller....I'm helping that American seller put money in his pocket. And if I buy a Chinese-made knife from and American company, I'm putting money in the pockets of all the American employees of that company. It's a global economy, and not as simple as "buy American."

I guess my point is that if one is decrying the state of the American knife industry and urging us to buy "American" knives, then it seems odd that one, at the same time, would go on about their knives which have a "global" origin.
 
Morrow said:
Are we talking about knives here? This is the General KNIFE discussion forum. If you can't stay on topic, don't post.
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I had thought the topic was indeed knives and the decision to carry one or not. My apologies if my comments were taken out of context.
 
I like my Spydercos and BenchMades and CRK's. I know that a few Spydercos are made in Seki-City, Japan, but they are great knives also.
Sonny
 
Ankerson said:
Most of it has to do with demand for the products being higher than the US Factories can keep up with so they have to farm out some models to keep up with that demand.
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that isn't really true. the reason manufacturing has been moved to china is because china can manufacture the same product but do it more efficiently. this gets passed on in the form of cheaper prices for the consumer. an orthodox economist would tell you that this is the reality of globalization and it's better for us all in the end. not being very orthodox myself i believe it's important for countries to maintain a diverse economy despite their comparative advantages.
 
fatherhudson said:
that isn't really true. the reason manufacturing has been moved to china is because china can manufacture the same product but do it more efficiently.
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No, this isn't true. China cannot make the same product more efficiently. They can make a product that looks similar, but China is limited in understanding, materials, machinery, HT, and overall execution. Manufacturers (I use that term loosely), go to China and have products produced for them, because most can make money and have a decent product with their name on it. Add in that there is no where to have anything produced for them in the US...not much for options other than China.

Let's not fool ourselves that there is going to be anything other than really entry level coming from overseas.

In the end, I'm concerned that the Made in the USA crowd, while quite loud in vocalizing their convictions, have difficulty adding up to much in terms of the buying power necessary to make a difference.

ArfinGreebly said:
...have nothing for which to apologize.
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Apologize for what?
 
Thomas W said:
.... but China is limited in understanding, materials, machinery, HT, and overall execution...

Let's not fool ourselves that there is going to be anything other than really entry level coming from overseas.
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Wow, that is quite a statement to make about a civilization that has been around for over 4000 years. I'm all for American made products and American workers, but let's not go overboard here.
 
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