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shecky said:
AG Russell already offers Chinese made knives that are well above entry level.
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That equals to how many hundred pieces?

There is no shortage of US made knives.
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In the volume category there is

Market forces have, however, made Chinese manufacture of mass produced low end knives much more competitive in price and quality. Realistically, there is no reason to even think otherwise.
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I have no idea what this means.
Not only are knives among the most primitive tools still in use, modern manufacturing techniques specifically reduce the demand for specialized, skilled, expensive craftspeople.
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No offense shecky, but this statement is dumb.
This means that quality products are no longer limited to the patch of dirt the factory sits on. If it ever really was.
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Depends on what you're looking for. If you don't know the difference, yea I guess it doesn't matter.
 
I've been a fan of lower cost chinese knives from the big boys...meaning and in no particular order boker, kershaw, spyderco, crkt, srm, etc. For entry level knives they do we'll and work fine.

I learned a lesson recently buying a boker plus chinese made epicenter. Some things the chinese can't do right yet and higher end knives is one of them. Seems even boker knew this sincethey had te vg10 steel done in japan nd then set over, or so I read? The epicenter is not on the level of a zero tolerance. Its half the cost, but also half the quality,imho.

That said as modern machinery moves into china and the old practice makes perfect deal, we'll likely start seeing high quality stuff. Of course the days of cheap chinese made will be gone. Similiar to themade in japan and made in s. Korea days. Nothing cheap comes from those places anymore.

A question about heat treating in china. Someone there can do it right can't they? Seems boker swears up and down their 440c stuff is actually 440c and heat treated right. Even kershaw has chinese made knives.......they wouldn't import poorly done heat treating with their name on it would they? So is it safe to assume 8cr13mov and like chinese made steels are able to be heat treated properly?
 
Motivation?

For me, it's pride in my country, and pride of ownership.
If I hand my knife to a peer, you can be damned sure that it will be a quality folder and it will say "made in the USA."
I wish I had the same options in all of my purchases, but I don't.

Give me the option of a quality Taiwanese/Chinese folder or a quality USA folder, and I'll choose USA every time.
That's just my prerogative.

Kershaw/Kai makes quality folders in the USA, and I buy them. :cool:

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Thomas W said:
Kershaw and Buck are really the only two manufacturers here in the US that can supply the big box chains (volume). There is a reason for that. It's all imports for the sheeple to choose from in their everyday outside of Kershaw/Buck.
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I wouldn't be real proud of that, supplying knives to the likes of Wally World.

Good for sales, but still..... Wally World...... :barf:
 
Ankerson said:
I wouldn't be real proud of that, supplying knives to the likes of Wally World.

Good for sales, but still..... Wally World...... :barf:
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Would you rather Buck go under or provide high volume low price point knives (some American made) to Walmart to keep the lights on?
 
Thomas W said:
...have nothing for which to apologize.
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Apologize for what?
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I'm sorry, but I have some confusion addressing this.

That section of my post had to do with the success-in-terms-of-quality being realized by different manufacturers in overseas venues.

That specific remark had to do with a couple of companies seeing good quality out of Taiwan.

And good quality is something for which one doesn't have to apologize.

For some others, notably Gerber, their success in their overseas manufacturing has been marginal. Buck has proved that it's possible to achieve consistent quality in an overseas shop.

Consistently producing quality requires no apology.

Gerber, on the other hand, has not attained this level of success. And for that it could be argued that "an apology is in order."

Of course, no one is interested in an apology (that being simply a turn of phrase), only an improvement in quality.

Did you get the impression from my post that I was asserting that some kind of an apology was needed?

If so, then I have not done my best job of communicating what I intended.

And for that, I apologize.

 
Ankerson said:
I wouldn't be real proud of that, supplying knives to the likes of Wally World.

Good for sales, but still..... Wally World...... :barf:
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Oh geez, here we go...just lock a half decent thread now. :rolleyes:

I don't know why I continue to expect more from folks.
 
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5.56 said:
Motivation?

For me, it's pride in my country, and pride of ownership.
If I hand my knife to a peer, you can be damned sure that it will be a quality folder and it will say "made in the USA."
I wish I had the same options in all of my purchases, but I don't.

Give me the option of a quality Taiwanese/Chinese folder or a quality USA folder, and I'll choose USA every time.
That's just my prerogative.

Kershaw/Kai makes quality folders in the USA, and I buy them. :cool:

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5.56 You are dead balls on
 
Wow, just wow.

Its so easy to bash on Wal-Mart, but providing a quality product at a price point that Wal-Mart shoppers can afford is what its all about in today's economy. Just because knives are made in China, Taiwan, or the USA shouldn't matter, its really about QC and value. That's why companies like Kai and Buck still have a loyal following, while companies like Gerber have slipped.

Ankerson said:
I wouldn't be real proud of that, supplying knives to the likes of Wally World.

Good for sales, but still..... Wally World...... :barf:
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BTW: 5.56 and Morrow, I couldn't agree more. Plus unless any of these posters have personally been to the PRC and actually seen what's what in any sort of manufacturing business, like Thomas, then they have very little credibility in that area, IMHO.
 
5.56 said:
Motivation?

For me, it's pride in my country, and pride of ownership.
If I hand my knife to a peer, you can be damned sure that it will be a quality folder and it will say "made in the USA."
I wish I had the same options in all of my purchases, but I don't.

Give me the option of a quality Taiwanese/Chinese folder or a quality USA folder, and I'll choose USA every time.
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That's interesting that a knife is symbolic of your patriotism.
 
Jesse B. said:
That's interesting that a knife is symbolic of your patriotism.
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Knives amongst other things.

There's nothing wrong with having pride in your country. In fact, I wish more people had it.
Maybe we would be heading in the right direction if more people did. :o
 
Morrow said:
Would you rather Buck go under or provide high volume low price point knives (some American made) to Walmart to keep the lights on?
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Good for Buck and Kershaw, bad for the rest of the Country dealing with Wally World destroying Small Town America..... And yes I have seen it 1st hand and more than once or twice..... And I don't have to drive very far to see it either..... That aftermath that is.....
 
Thomas W said:
Oh geez, here we go...just lock a half decent thread now. :rolleyes:

I don't know why I continue to expect more from folks.
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Say what you want Thomas, but they are a Plague to the US and I have seen what happens with my own eyes way too much to ignore it....

I would personally never even think about doing business with them no matter how much money I could make.
 
IMHO there are plenty of motivations to make "Made in US" knives our top choice, especially in the current state. We support American jobs, American workers, who will support us. If possible I would avoid to send my money to the countries, which have their nukes pointed at us.
Also it make me proud to see on my quality knives "Made in US" and I am willing to pay extra for this.
Thomas W said:
Does Country of Origin with knives make a difference? Less and less everyday IMO.
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Extremely sad, but true.
 
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PG5768 said:
Wow, just wow.

Its so easy to bash on Wal-Mart, but providing a quality product at a price point that Wal-Mart shoppers can afford is what its all about in today's economy. Just because knives are made in China, Taiwan, or the USA shouldn't matter, its really about QC and value. That's why companies like Kai and Buck still have a loyal following, while companies like Gerber have slipped.



BTW: 5.56 and Morrow, I couldn't agree more. Plus unless any of these posters have personally been to the PRC and actually seen what's what in any sort of manufacturing business, like Thomas, then they have very little credibility in that area, IMHO.
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So people just can't see outside of the box, Wal-Mart is a big part of the big problem, not part of the solution.
 
Ankerson said:
I would personally never even think about doing business with them no matter how much money I could make.
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What business do you own or run? Businesses exist to make money to support their owners and employees. Chinese businesses, American businesses, Wal-Mart big box store businesses. If you never met a payroll but you say "Wally World destroying Small Town America" then you don't know which way the money flows. A snapshot is nothing more than a moment in time. What brought customers into Wal-Mart in the first place?

I see the big stores lined up on the highway a couple miles north of here, on land that was vacant a few years ago. No one was destroyed, it's all new growth. Ask the township there if they like the new tax base. Ask the people in this area if they like the new shopping area. You can't ask the people it put out of business because there weren't any.

If an area is depressed and losing its economic base and even its population, and a big box comes in with the clout to cut a better tax deal, and provides discount products, this is not destroying America.
 
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