User mods on RAT Cutlery

Murphyslaw said:
I would be more than just a bit embarrased to abuse any knife, including a RAT, and sending it back for free replacement. Its taken me a while to learn that I sleep better at night when I "own" my F-Ups. It's exactly this that my Wife and I are trying to instill in our 3 children. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be reinforced by much of today's society:(

That said, I would probably let Jeff and Mike know of any damage to one of my RAT knives due to use or abuse (hey, I have 3 kids that use, or will be using them), as I believe it would be valuable info for RAT's ongoing R&D.
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You bet. And when you're teaching kids and new folks the trade, sometimes abuse is going to happen. Again, we have no problems with that. I would consider us very fortunate to know that every kid that abused one of our knives learned something about the outdoors and possibly some technique that may save his or her life someday. Learning something that may save a life is worth far more than every knife we may replace because of abuse
 
R.A.T. said:
Brother, you probably already have all the knives you need. Don't run out and spend hard-earned money just to own a RAT. All we ask is be part of RAT here on the forums. You obviously have a lot of common sense and was raised right. We can appreciate and respect that! ;)
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True, I do probably have all the knives I need, but there still are one or two RATs that would fill voids in my knife collection. Besides, I've still got one more year in college and not a lot of money:). As long as RAT cutlery doesn't dwindle away, which I doubt it will, I'll just have to patiently wait. Like others here know, those things we work hard for are those things we value and take care of!

I have noticed that a lot of people here on the RAT forum do have a lot of common sense, and I admire that in this day and age. I'm sure there's a lot I can learn from this forum and there are definitely skills I'd like to learn to be more self sufficient.
 
R.A.T. said:
Learning something that may save a life is worth far more than every knife we may replace because of abuse
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I mentioned on another forum that my sister is quite involved with primitive survival skills training. Up until my brother and I got her a couple Ranger knives as Christmas and birthday gifts, a Frost Mora was all she ever used. I've seen people say things about indestructible knives being the only knives to buy because your life could depend on it. I'm about 99.99% sure that my sister knows better how to survive than a lot of the population using only her little mora knife. She is a fine example to me of how educating oneself is much more important than what knife you carry.
 
dl351 said:
educating oneself is much more important than what knife you carry.
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I think we just found the youngster that may inherit RAT Cutlery when we are gone! :D :D

DAMN I wished everyone who was a knife whore realized how true that statement is! Again, the "knife" industry is bullshit for the most part.
 
Like my old boss used to say, (when some of his people needed a tow) - "The best tow-chain in the world ........ is between your ears."
 
dl351 said:
... I'm about 99.99% sure that my sister knows better how to survive than a lot of the population using only her little mora knife. She is a fine example to me of how educating oneself is much more important than what knife you carry.
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Amen to that, and I have a lot of expensive steel. The same is true of most tools, including guns.
 
Jeff, when I wrote you a couple of times recently, one thing I didn't say was that you are the first, and only company owner I have, or would ever write to personally. Not because you're the only one I'd want to, but because I knew you'd READ the e-mails!

RAT knives aren't the prettiest or made of the "best" steel. However, they do reflect the personality of the designers: honest, no nonsense, get-the-job-done tools. And THAT's why I own them.

Buying a RAT knife, participating on this forum (the only one I participate on, BTW) and educating ourselves is an investment in the enjoyment of the outdoors and our ability to enjoy it knowing, if the sh** hits the fan, we're prepared to make the best of a bad situation and get out to tell the story.

So, for the third time in a week, thanks, Jeff. Keep it real and leave the B.S. to the others!

RAT Pack # 177
 
dl351 said:
I mentioned on another forum that my sister is quite involved with primitive survival skills training. Up until my brother and I got her a couple Ranger knives as Christmas and birthday gifts, a Frost Mora was all she ever used. I've seen people say things about indestructible knives being the only knives to buy because your life could depend on it. I'm about 99.99% sure that my sister knows better how to survive than a lot of the population using only her little mora knife. She is a fine example to me of how educating oneself is much more important than what knife you carry.
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No such thing as indestructible :) or idiot proof :) in my book. I have seen way too many idiots in my life f something up.

As a genereral rule I try not to break my $hi+. I try to take care of it. I guess the "youtube" mentality has gone a little overboard. I mean I like my knife reviews as much as anyone, but it seems like everyone wants to shoot their knife with a .50 Cal or run over it with a bulldozer.

In the end RAT knives are sharp pieces of metal. A lot of work goes into production, quality testing, etc. I'm sure.

But in the end any dedicated moron can break a piece of metal. I love my Rat knives, it's nice to know they will stand up to some abuse, but I'll continue to use mine as a knives. Hey if guys want to throw them, shoot them, drop them off a cliff, pry open a man-hole cover it's your stuff, what ever floats your boat. I just don't see how RAT would be responsible for stupid.
 
cgebhard said:
I just don't see how RAT would be responsible for stupid.
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We still believe that most people are not stupid, but sadly the few that are will always be a burden on th rest, but we refuse to change the way we do business because of the idiots. We build knives for the non-stupid folks who need a good knife and a no bullshit warranty that they know will back them regardless of what they may have to call on their knife to do.

The stupid one are who this thread is meant for because we really don't want them breathing our air or buying our knives, but there's just no way to prevent it sometimes.
 
over the last year i have noticed an ongoing theme on the Rat opinion of the knife industry......Just to clarify....you would not happen to think that it is 99 % BULLSHIT....:D
 
Horn Dog said:
I am both a collector and a user. But I have never chopped a concrete block, even with a Busse. I love trying out different knives and reviewing them. I do occasionally throw them, especially machetes. I like to see them vibrate in trees for some reason. I try to do real world tests, like cutting, slicing, notching and such. Yes, I'll use that little RC-3 to split wood using a baton, with some care and common sense. That's something an outdoorsman might need to do with one. And yes, the knife business is filled with bs. I appreciate the simple, rugged, funtional designs from RAT Cutlery and will continue to buy them and use them......if that's ok with you. :D
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Who hasnt thrown a machete :) Wont be thrown the rat machete thou :)
 
Jeff, just wanted to say that I love the "Don't buy our knives" sticky, just didn't want to start a thread just for that.
 
I have learned alot these few months I have been part of this forum. I spend more time thinking "what if" this or that happens. and have concluded that there is no way to have all the right gear for any given situation at all times, but that knowledge and proper mindset is the most important tool in your kit.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Jeff, just wanted to say that I love the "Don't buy our knives" sticky, just didn't want to start a thread just for that.
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+1 to that.

If you don't know how to use the tool, and properly maintain it, than you shouldn't be buying that tool.
 
TheGame said:
+1 to that.

If you don't know how to use the tool, and properly maintain it, than you shouldn't be buying that tool.
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I disagree... sorry guys... (I am a heathen at heart...)

The statement should say....:

"If you don't know how to use a tool and have no interest in learning how to, THEN don't buy our stuff."

MrsCoffee had NO idea how to use a knife when we ment, none. And she damaged more then one. But she learned, and is actually a bit better and keeping them sharp and point then I am now.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and my thought is they start with a QUALITY tool, like a RC blade they have a much better chance or learning how to use it properly before it has to be replaced.

Cheers!
 
MrCoffee said:
I disagree... sorry guys... (I am a heathen at heart...)

"If you don't know how to use a tool and have no interest in learning how to, THEN don't buy our stuff."
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Yes, that does make more sense. I was that way when I first started. Bought the blade and knew nothing about maintaining them. Luckily, my dad taught me from day one that I needed to maintain it if I wanted it to last a lifetime. :thumbup:
 
Wouldn't the world be such a better place if everyone had the pride, integrity and common sense that RAT enlists as a philosophy?? The qualities that I see and read in the words of RAT and TRUE RAT users!!!! Although I do not own a collection of RAT knives, I'm nearly certain that I will be a RAT user for life after I'm able to safe up enough money to buy me a good used after my padres!!!
 
Good point, Mr. Coffee. I stopped using a pocket knife as a prybar when I broke my very first SAK that I got as a kid. I learned my lesson and haven't broken a knife that way again.

Not to say I haven't pried with my knives since then because I have on occasion. However, the combination of the right tool and good technique make it worth the walk back to the toolbox.

Ralph
 
I ruined a $60 knife using it as a prybar, broke an 1/8 inch off the tip. I then decided to buy a small 5 inch pocket pry bar, very cheap @$5, beats using a more expensive knife and makes for a great defensive tool (easily carried in pocket).
 
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