Wal Mart Native!

I just checked E-bay and I saw a few for sale for about the same price as Wal-Mart. You can find them for $45 shipped with little effort. So what are we saving by buying from WM? $3.00? For $3.00, it is not worth my time to make a special trip to Wal-Mart hell. I avoid that place as much as I can. If I do get caught in there, I may buy some 9mm ammo but that is about all I ever buy from there. I won't go there to save $3.00 that is for sure.

I am not sure what to think about Spyderco and WM in bed together. I just hope that Spyderco keeps making high end knives and doesn't start making 440a blades just for the WM market.
 
Mr. Glesser,
I just wanted to let you know that you have a new customer for life! After reading this thread it seems as though you are taking some flack for your deal with Wal Mart. However, in my case I think your strategy has worked. I have been familiar with Spyderco knives for some time now but I have just never gotten around to buying one. I heard that Wal Mart was carrying an S30V Spyderco for under $45, well I just couldn't pass that deal up. In fact, I bought three of them, one for myself, one for my best friend and one for my grandfather, and I just ordered two other Spyderco models. By making your product available to a wider audience you have gained a loyal customer with a new obsession! Genius, just genius!!

CP

Oh and by the way, I think some folks here are going a little overboard about how terrible it is to shop at Wal Mart, its not that bad...:rolleyes:
 
TxTroubleMaker said:
Oh and by the way, I think some folks here are going a little overboard about how terrible it is to shop at Wal Mart, its not that bad...:rolleyes:

The bad experiences of shopping at Wal-Mart are reaching urban legend proportions everywhere on the 'net... :rolleyes:
 
cosine said:
The bad experiences of shopping at Wal-Mart are reaching urban legend proportions everywhere on the 'net... :rolleyes:

I agree wholeheartedly, and I don't even like going to Walmart.:yawn: I think that it'd be great to see widely distributed retail FRN Spydercos. They are virtually non-existent where I live even at Walmart. Unless your a knife afficianado and have the net, then you probably don't even know about Spyderco. Eventhough almost every Tom, Dick, and Harry has a clip mounted no-name one hand folder in their pocket.
 
I just went online and found 4 sites that sell the Native for $50 or less. If being able to handle a knife before buying it is that important to you then go to Walmart or any other store and buy it. What I'm saying is that due to mass production and Spyderco quality levels, all Native's will be nearly identical. For me, I would rather buy the best knife I can at the lowest price and the internet gives me the chance to compare and shop.:)
 
In the Chicagoland area where I live the only Wal Mart's that have the Native are the Super Wal Mart's in Plano and Morris, IL. I just picked one up in Plano.
 
It's funny that this knife has been coined the Wal-Mart Native, but all the dealers carry them. Anyways, I received mine via a trade with a fellow forum member and it is my EDC for exercising as it is a very lightweight yet very serious knife.
 
I checked out 5 of them at the Walmart in Shrewsbury PA two weeks ago. All very loose in the handles, moved side to side and up and down. A trip to the Colorado spa would fix that, but John Q Public doesn't know that.
 
Regarding the WalMart Spyderco Native CPMS30V: Mine is just another Spyderco - light, tight and the price was right. Although it did require a little stropping on cardboard to make it shaving sharp.
 
I dont trust walmart to sell knives. None of the counter staff ive ever seen seemed to know much more than the price of the knife.
 
I don't share the opinions of the vocal minority who seem to despise Walmart. The market decides what is good and what isn't, and Walmart has emerged as a clear winner. That stuff about Walmart "mistreating" their employees is horse feathers and has no basis in reality. But that is neither here nor there.

I've seen the other side of the coin (communist eastern Europe back in The Day), and 99% of the world's population (then and now) would think they were in Heaven if they lived near a Walmart and had the means to shop there. We should be thankful for how good we have it. Its a rough life we have, having lots of affordable stuff to buy and the cash in our pockets to pay for it, ain't it? :thumbup:

I too bought a Native at Wallyworld. Didn't need it, but I had to have a Spydie Fix. The majority of my knives come from NG.

I'm happy with Spyderco's decision to market the Native at Walmart. Its good for Spyderco, good for me, good for Walmart, and I still get the rest of my toys from NG.

Only thing I would change about the Native is to reduce the scales so the thumb hole is completely exposed when the blade is closed. :)

cheers
 
Usually I steer clear of "political" discussions on BF, but I'm simply astonished by how uninformed many BF members appear to be on this matter. Wal-Mart's singularly corrosive impact on the US national and local economies and local communities, and its leading role in economic globalization's "race to the bottom," is thoroughly documented, widely available and really not disputed by anyone other than Wal-Mart itself. For anyone interested -- but esp. if you believe Wal-Mart "plays fair," is "good for the economy/ community," "treats its workers well," etc. -- you can read the following for starters. FYI, Glen


Is Wal-Mart Too Powerful?
Low prices are great. But Wal-Mart's dominance creates problems -- for suppliers, workers, communities, and even American culture.
By Anthony Bianco and Wendy Zellner, Business Week Online, October 6, 2003

Store Wars: When Wal-Mart Comes to Town (Micha Peled, PBS, 2001)

Wal-Mart Watch


For those interested in a book-length study, see:

Bob Ortega, In Sam We Trust: The Untold Story of Sam Walton and Wal-Mart, the World's Most Powerful Retailer (NY: Crown Business, 1998). (Amazon link)

Still widely accepted as the best account of the rise of Wal-Mart and its model for success, including (among other innovative economic strategies) its slashing of production costs by contracting with China to use its prison population as a labor pool. (Over 85% of its goods are made overseas; Wal-Mart is the world's largest seller of Chinese-made products.) Extremely well-researched by Wall Street Journal reporter Bob Ortega.


For those with access to NewsBank, ProQuest or other archive databases, you can find literally countless articles on particular topics via simple searches like "wal-mart illegal immigrant," "wal-mart child labor," "wal-mart sex discrimination," "wal-mart [insert local city/region name here]," etc. Some random samples with excerpts:


Lara Jakes Jordan, "Wal-Mart Settles Illegal Immigrant Case," Associated Press, March 18, 2005:

"Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's biggest retailer, has agreed to pay $11 million to settle federal allegations it used illegal immigrants to clean its stores, attorneys in the case said Friday.

"...Many of the janitors--from Mexico, Russia, Mongolia, Poland and a host of other nations--worked seven days or nights a week without overtime pay or injury compensation, said attorney James L. Linsey. Those who worked nights were often locked in the store until the morning, Linsey said.

"...On Oct. 23, federal agents raided 60 Wal-Mart stores across 21 states, netting the alleged illegal aliens working in the stores. Almost all the workers were in the employ of subcontractors paid to clean the stores. About 10 of the workers were employed by Wal-Mart.

"Officials said at the time of the raids the investigation involved wiretaps that revealed Wal-Mart executives were aware that the subcontractors used illegal workers."


Steven Greenhouse, "Wal-Mart Agrees to Pay Fine in Child Labor Cases," New York Times, February 12, 2005:

"Wal-Mart Stores, the nation's largest retailer, has agreed to pay $135,540 to settle federal charges that it violated child labor laws in Connecticut, Arkansas and New Hampshire.

"...Labor Department officials said most of the 24 violations covered by the settlement involved workers under age 18 operating dangerous machinery, including cardboard balers and chain saws. In the agreement, Wal-Mart denied any wrongdoing.

"...Wal-Mart has faced previous child labor charges. In March 2000, Maine fined the company $205,650 for violations of child labor laws in every one of the 20 stores in the state. In January 2004, a weeklong internal audit of 128 stores found 1,371 instances in which minors apparently worked too late at night, worked during school hours or worked too many hours in a day."


Nancy Cleeland, "Women Recount Pervasive Inequality at Wal-Mart," Los Angeles Times, June 23, 2004:

"...The names and locations vary, but the complaints are consistent: lower pay for women in comparable jobs; inadequate training and coaching for aspiring managers; a word-of-mouth hiring network that made it difficult for women to learn about open positions; and dismissive, even crude, remarks by male managers. A few alleged that they were groped or sexually harassed in other ways.

"Statistics compiled by plaintiffs' attorneys, based on payroll records submitted by Wal-Mart and which the judge found credible, show that on average, men earned more than women in each job category.

"In higher management positions, the difference was extreme. For instance, in 2001, male store managers on average earned $105,682, while women earned $89,280. Male district managers earned $239,519 that year, while women in the same position earned $177,149.

"The numbers also put Wal-Mart far below the retail average, at least when it comes to promoting women. The attorneys claim that overall, in general merchandise stores, about 60% of management positions are held by women. At Wal-Mart, the number is only about 35%."
 
The problem with listing lawsuits ad naseum is that anyone can be sued and it becomes public record. How those lawsuits played is the real question. For example I have been named in a malpractice suit and it is now public record...also is the results (lawsuit thrown out of court with prejudice). Being a large corporation, it is logical that Walmart is named in tons of lawsuits. Are they still pending or was Walmart convicted/lost in all those listed?

As far as Walmart getting the majority of its products from China, well geez the Native sold at Walmart is provided by an American company and made here in the USA as well. Labor is the most expensive cost in manufacturing. No modern manufacturer can compete with that labor cost until it reaches a higher equilibrium...then all the cheap stuff will be made in India assuming they can get their act together. and round and round the cheap labor cycle goes. The only way out of a downward spiral is to invest in a science/math based education for the children...:yawn:
 
I think some folks have never learned to distinguish between cause and effect. Wal-Mart prospers because it fills a need, or rather a number of needs, better than their competition. If people could find the goods they want, at attractive prices, in locally owned stores or other chains within reasonable driving distance, do you seriously think they would flock to Wal-Mart in droves? The fact is that given the choice between personalized service and lower prices, American consumers have almost invariably voted in favor of the latter with their feet and their pocketbooks. Wal-Mart did not create that attitude, it merely has managed to capitalize on it better than any of the other discounters that went before it.

At least in this area, the umpteen chains that existed before Wal-Mart drove all but the most savvy and the most stubborn of independent retailers out a long time before Wal-Mart came on the scene. Chain supermarkets were probably the first, pushing out almost all local grocers and meat markets. Small local banks were gobbled up by NorStar, which was later gobbled up by Fleet. Local shoes stores yielded to the two prong attack from likes of Foot Locker, Athletes Foot, and Payless on the one hand, and the shoe departments in major chains like Sears, K-Mart, and JC Penny on the other. Chains like Rite-Aid and Eckard, plus chain supermarket pharmacies had already pushed out the local drug stores before the first Wal-Mart Pharmacy opened. It is Home Depot, not Wal-Mart that has all but killed independent lumber yards and that, along with TrueValue, has decimated the local hardware store population. Clothing, jewelry, toys, home appliances, auto parts, tires, and about a dozen other specialties, same story with a different cast of characters. Pets and pet supplies are the latest, and it is outfits like Petco and PetSmart, not Wal-Mart, doing the real damage to the independents. Even "service" businesses have not been immune. Sears and others took a big chunk out of both the auto and home appliance repair markets. But, when it comes to chains, Wal-Mart is the largest, the most profitable, and therefor most visible example of the genre, so they make a great target (no pun intended).

Every negative thing said about Wal-Mart today was said with equal enthusiasm about Sears Roebuck forty odd years ago. I recall a small but vocal group taking Winchester, Marlin, and Remington to task for "getting in bed" with Sears much as is happening today regarding Spyderco and Wal-Mart. Don't recall the world coming apart at the seams because of Sears, I doubt it will because of Wal-Mart either.

As for me (but am sure it is true for many others as well), I shop Wal-Mart for clothing - because I am overweight, and they are the only store in the area that carries a reasonable selection of shirts, pants, and jackets that fit me. Perhaps that will change when I slim down, or perhaps I'll still prefer the selection there, hard to tell till shopping elsewhere becomes a viable choice. I shop there for DVDs - because the help in BestBuy is even more uninformed and surly, Blockbuster prices are ridiculous, MediaPlay was WAY too far to drive even before gas prices went ballistic, and the local independents have found (or been forced into, depending on your perspective) a niche catering to homosexuals and porn lovers. That's it really, unless you count Darth Tater last year :D and my so far unsuccessful hunt for at least a glimpse of the elusive Wal-Mart Native. :o
 
What always bugged me was customers calling me at the last real plant nursery in town, asking how to mix or apply products they bought at Wal Mart. We found a solution to that - we went out of business. I don't know who they call now, because no one at our Wal Mart can tell them anything. But they do have the Native there!:D
 
I got mine from Walmart. I really don't care where I bought, just as long as it is a good knife at a good price. I like it.
 
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