Warning: Dishonest buyer/seller Morfiuss

Esav Benyamin said:
What are you trying to accomplish with that? Would you like PayPal to decide to investigate Bladeforums transactions generally?
For all the times we try to remind people here to use PayPal correctly, we still get people who cheat themselves out of protection.
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^ To answer your question, Esav: No, I'm not saying that I'd like PayPal to start investigating ALL of the transactions involving unscrupulous seller's here.

In this specific case, however, this person lied (scammed), & filed a false PayPal dispute against the seller, damaging the OP's status/account with PayPal. As a PP seller, the OP is was basically guilty until proving his innocense. What this scammer/thief did after the fact (re-listing the OP's knife here as "mint"), & accepting payment via PayPal F&F only...yes, I absolutely think the OP should report this entire list of facts to PayPal. PayPal should absolutely investigate & document what this PP scammer did (violating PP's TOC), & punish him for this behavior! If not, how else do you expect this scammer from targeting future victims? Where's the deterrent?



Spartan00 said:
If everyone had to do business with a MOD once in awhile I think descriptions would be a lot more honest. If the Mod I did business with wants to speak up they can otherwise it will stay between me and him .

Long story short I had a truly new knife I sold .Talk about going over that knife with a fine tooth comb and looking for anything wrong with it before that sale! Luckily they were happy with it but that's a way to make you extremely honest!
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^ I can only imagine what that must've been like! After reading this, I think I'll start adding disclaimer: "I will not sell to Moderator's," in my sales thread. ;)
 
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Not saying the Mod inspected the knife closely it kind of sounded that way .

I'm sure he did but the knife was new . Thing is the brand is known for having some flaws even brand new . I just made sure to go over it very vet carefully lol. Little extra bubble wrap and a lot of padding and I was GTG.

Point being I see a lot of LNIB threads here . If spark or our mods were your customers would your description hold water or would it be time to add something like , well it does have this scratch mark on it and I did touch it up on my sharp maker once .
 
Spartan00 said:
Not saying the Mod inspected the knife closely it kind of sounded that way .

I'm sure he did but the knife was new . Thing is the brand is known for having some flaws even brand new . I just made sure to go over it very vet carefully lol. Little extra bubble wrap and a lot of padding and I was GTG.

Point being I see a lot of LNIB threads here . If spark or our mods were your customers would your description hold water or would it be time to add something like , well it does have this scratch mark on it and I did touch it up on my sharp maker once .
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^ In other word's the VIP, extra super special, Mod treatment! :D

Seriously, I completely agree with you, Spartan. If everyone here treated every single transaction as if they were dealing with, say RevDevil; this place would most likely be running smoothly on all cylinders. I mean do you really think a member like Retired01 would be leaving RD negative feedback? Or start a negative GBU thread about him; telling people, "they piss vinegar!" :D
 
KELAMA said:
^ In other word's the VIP, extra super special, Mod treatment! :D

Seriously, I completely agree with you, Spartan. If everyone here treated every single transaction as if they were dealing with, say RevDevil; this place would most likely be running smoothly on all cylinders. I mean do you really think a member like Retired01 would be leaving RD negative feedback? Or start a negative GBU thread about him; telling people, "they piss vinegar!" :D
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I wouldn't of done that to Rev back before he was a mod lol.

Point is if you are that he'll bent on getting a few extra bucks by lying about a description or hustling PayPal you'll get what's coming eventually .

When I'm selling I use PayPal the right way. I'm more honest than I should be and most the time I exaggerate flaws ,but better safe than sorry . I package the knives to be as secure as possible and get insurance to cover myself .

As a buyer I research the seller ,if they have clauses in there sells thread like not responsible for xxx or insurance is on the buyer or only accept gifts I move on. I'll pay extra to know I'm dealing with someone I trust .

You gotta resist the urge to jump on a good deal if the seller has shady terms or throws up redflags. Is it really worth the headache we see in these threads all the time ?
 
I see the practical reasons why BF should not get into policing for PP. PP has reserved to itself the power to decide disputes. I doubt that PP would welcome BF trying to play cop, judge, and jury. BF could bar advertising that asks for the fraudulent use of "Gift" to pay for goods. Any listing of a "sale" paid for by "gift" is an attempt at fraud per se. But that conduct has risks and no measurable rewards.

What I do not, and probably never will get, is the reasoning that person X cheating PP is between X and PayPal and no one else. On that "reasoning" there is no reason to have GB&U. Just between the cheat and the loser, right? Individuals are entitled to cheat companies, right?

But that is NOT the culture here, where a good deal of help is afforded, or at least attempted, for victims, including knife-making companies, who are being ripped off. I see people making an effort, for no practical reward, to help others, including companies. Just not everyone.
 
I think there will come a day when paypal doesn't allow knife transaction at all.
I like the protection pp gives you but it is so buyer slanted that I get nervous dealing with people I don't know.
The only big issue I have ever had in a knife deal I paid with usps money order and it took awhile but I got my money back.
A postal inspector is no one to jack with, I believe they have a nearly 100% conviction rate.
Russ
 
Spartan00 said:
Not saying the Mod inspected the knife closely it kind of sounded that way .

I'm sure he did but the knife was new . Thing is the brand is known for having some flaws even brand new . I just made sure to go over it very vet carefully lol. Little extra bubble wrap and a lot of padding and I was GTG.

Point being I see a lot of LNIB threads here . If spark or our mods were your customers would your description hold water or would it be time to add something like , well it does have this scratch mark on it and I did touch it up on my sharp maker once .
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That is a good point. Every transaction should be treated as if that is the one deal you will be forever compared to/tied to. I was very happy with the item BTW, it was closely inspected, I don't own a jewelers loupe, but I do give every purchase I make a thorough once over. If there is a problem, I let people know respectfully and privately.
 
mycough said:
I think there will come a day when paypal doesn't allow knife transaction at all.
I like the protection pp gives you but it is so buyer slanted that I get nervous dealing with people I don't know.
The only big issue I have ever had in a knife deal I paid with usps money order and it took awhile but I got my money back.
A postal inspector is no one to jack with, I believe they have a nearly 100% conviction rate.
Russ
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eBay has about 250,000 listings for knives right now. That's a lot of business to throw overboard, and PP is not a charity.
 
There is a large market there. If Paypal decided to throw in the towel for knives, I think another company would spring up, that is willing to cover guns/ammo/knives etc.
 
I think what we are getting away from us the accused is a scammer and shouldn't be allowed to do that to anyone here anymore
 
So. If someone decides to break in his neighbors house. That's just between him and his neighbor?

F@F is nothing more than theft. I'm very disappointed that more don't see it that way.
 
It's a essentially a theft of service. They receive a fee for processing payments for goods. Using f & f for purchases, you deprive PayPal of fees they are rightfully entitled too for that service. And aside from that it's unethical imo
 
mycough said:
I think there will come a day when paypal doesn't allow knife transaction at all.
I like the protection pp gives you but it is so buyer slanted that I get nervous dealing with people I don't know.
The only big issue I have ever had in a knife deal I paid with usps money order and it took awhile but I got my money back.
A postal inspector is no one to jack with, I believe they have a nearly 100% conviction rate.
Russ
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I don't get this? How does PP even know what is being bought or sold?

I've bought and paid for plenty of car related stuff thru the years and never once have I been asked what I was buying.

And I've never volunteered info about what I was sending money for, none of their business I say.

Same deal for selling stuff.

Sure, if you sell or buy on ebay and use PP they will know what the item is.

I'm sure multiple thousands of transactions happen everyday thru PP, are they able to watch and weed thru that many every day? I seriously doubt it.
 
If something is being sold then sell it, stop pretending it is a sales when a "Gift" is given.

Look at it this way, BF requires a paid membership to sell here, but these people are not selling they are exchanging "Gifts"

Why is BF allowing the exchange of "Gifts" in a sales area?
 
am having a hard time understanding some of the arguments in this thread. This might be an exaggerated example. But lets say you rent your house to multiple tenants, and some of them are selling drugs in the house and you as the owner know that too. When one day the cops find it out and cuff the bad guys, will you the owner of the house be completely clean or will take some blames or even sone legal punishments? I dont know, am just curious.
 
sharp_edge said:
am having a hard time understanding some of the arguments in this thread. This might be an exaggerated example. But lets say you rent your house to multiple tenants, and some of them are selling drugs in the house and you as the owner know that too. When one day the cops find it out and cuff the bad guys, will you the owner of the house be completely clean or will take some blames or even sone legal punishments? I dont know, am just curious.
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^ If I may, SE, I'd like to take your "exaggerated example," a step further.

Would any of the drug addict user's who buy drugs from this house, happen to be BladeForum member's? :D

This might help explain some of the complete lunacy, that you see from a few of the select member's here (they know who the are).
 
sharp_edge said:
am having a hard time understanding some of the arguments in this thread. This might be an exaggerated example. But lets say you rent your house to multiple tenants, and some of them are selling drugs in the house and you as the owner know that too. When one day the cops find it out and cuff the bad guys, will you the owner of the house be completely clean or will take some blames or even sone legal punishments? I dont know, am just curious.
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Some states have laws that allow victims of crime, such as drug dealing, to sue landlords who rent or lease to drug dealers for negligence or allowing a public nuisance.

If a landlord knowingly rents or leases to a drug dealer, he may be charged with being a co-conspirator in the drug dealing.
 
PayPal sends tax info to IRS on anyone who has 200 or more transactions abd/or $20K in sales. F&F is not included in those figures, only sales are. Using F&F is one way semi-dealers avoid their true tax burden

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