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Warning: Dishonest buyer/seller Morfiuss
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I guess. He started a sales thread. Called the knife "Mint". And then, in those few days, re-sharpened and bead blasted it. And then, after posting as "Mint"(which, BTW, is what the O.P sold him), decides that he is not actually selling the knife as "Mint" anymore? His opening post said Mint. All while disputing the transaction with PayPal? And then, only taking payment through F&F. And you seriously don't see a problem with this?
FYI. I don't understand exactly what you don't understand about this whole fiasco.
Maybe Moredoofus could check in and answer some of the many questions raised?
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F&F= Foolish & FoolHardy
No need to come here and complain if you get robbed by F&F.
No need to come here and complain if you get robbed by F&F.
^ There is a very big difference between "buyer's remorse" & flat out lying (filing a dispute telling PayPal that he was sold a damaged knife). IMO, this is a very simple, no brainer: BAN HAMMER!
Had the OP not come here, & found his knife listed here, how do you think this situation would've turned out for him?
The Moderator's would be doing this place a big favor, getting rid of a person who behaves this way.
Edit: BTW- where is this guy anyway??? That what pisses me off the most; the fact that this cowardly, scumbag pulls crap like this, & then doesn't have the balls to man up & face the music.
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And then Moredoofus tried to sell it here as "Mint". After filing a paypal dispute saying the knife was damaged.
That's where the "MINT" part came in.
Best practice is to forget to use the word Mint in anything you are selling. Nothing sets of the bullshit detector like someone selling anything "mint", it more than likely isn't. In the rules it says to give an honest and pessimistic description of the item to avoid issues. It also says to describe your items as they are, don't hype them as something they clearly aren't It can come back and bite you. People generally aren't stupid, they can tell when a knife has been sharpened, they can tell when a knife has been pocketed, they can tell when there are scratches and such that are from the factory and when they are caused by careless "EDC'ing". If people continue lying by omission, and not being forthright, we will have to start infracting people and ultimately closing threads. There is no reason to try and hide the condition of the item or making it seem that it is better than it actually is.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/entry.php/90-How-To-Trade-Knives-and-Gear-Successfully
If you take a knife apart, it is no longer new, much less mint
If you sharpen a knife or tough it up, it is no longer new, much less mint
Bewildering how people go so far out of their way to try and BS others and avoid common sense, just to make a quick buck. If you cannot be honest and upfront, this isn't the right place for you, period. But that is just my take on it.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/entry.php/90-How-To-Trade-Knives-and-Gear-Successfully
If you take a knife apart, it is no longer new, much less mint
If you sharpen a knife or tough it up, it is no longer new, much less mint
Bewildering how people go so far out of their way to try and BS others and avoid common sense, just to make a quick buck. If you cannot be honest and upfront, this isn't the right place for you, period. But that is just my take on it.
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To clarify, I don't have a problem with someone flipping a knife or with how they choose to describe it. That's up to the buyer to verify. That was never the issue.
The problem I had was the fact that after he received the knife, he sharpened it, bead blasted it, used it, and after all of that (a week later) he filed a paypal claim stating I sold him a beat up knife. I didn't, but even if I had, the proper course of action would have been to immediately let me know, file the claim, box it back up, and ship it back to me. Don't take it apart, alter it, use it, and then blame me for damage. Worst of all, AFTER filing the paypal claim against me, the knife was posted for sale here. I was honest about the condition of the knife when I sold it to him. It was purchased directly from CKF, arrived in perfect condition, went into a safe, where it stayed until I resold it. It never cut anything, wasn't sharpened, no marks on it, and wasn't even carried. Regardless, if he felt I hadn't described it accurately, he should have notified me immediately and returned it. Don't alter it. It was only after I exposed all of this that the claim was rescinded. His actions were sketchy...no question about it. I was angry, too, because like all of you, I work hard for my money and I get pissed when people try to scam me out of it. I'm not mad anymore and I'm not out to get this person. I just wanted to avoid getting scammed and I want other good-standing members of this community to avoid it too.
I've enjoyed being a part of the knife community for a while now. It is important to me that I maintain a good relationship with other members of the community, because so much of what we do is built on trust. We buy, sell, and trade knives based on the trust we have with dealers and other collectors. Sadly, that trust is abused by a few sketchy people. When I sell a knife, I give the buyer the option of PayPal F&F or G&S. Some buyers don't want to pay the extra fees and that's fine. It's their choice, but I give them the choice. I gave Morfiuss the choice and he chose goods and services. Unfortunately, he chose to abuse the feature by filing a false claim. This is the first time I've had this happen in dozens of transactions, but I have to admit, it will make me more cautious and skeptical in future transactions. And, it says a lot that he wouldn't honor that same request for others.
I think we can move on to more interesting conversations now. I hope this warning educates new members to the forum and serves as a reminder to the rest of us that we have to be careful.
Have a great day, fellas! Oh, and GO THUNDER!!
The problem I had was the fact that after he received the knife, he sharpened it, bead blasted it, used it, and after all of that (a week later) he filed a paypal claim stating I sold him a beat up knife. I didn't, but even if I had, the proper course of action would have been to immediately let me know, file the claim, box it back up, and ship it back to me. Don't take it apart, alter it, use it, and then blame me for damage. Worst of all, AFTER filing the paypal claim against me, the knife was posted for sale here. I was honest about the condition of the knife when I sold it to him. It was purchased directly from CKF, arrived in perfect condition, went into a safe, where it stayed until I resold it. It never cut anything, wasn't sharpened, no marks on it, and wasn't even carried. Regardless, if he felt I hadn't described it accurately, he should have notified me immediately and returned it. Don't alter it. It was only after I exposed all of this that the claim was rescinded. His actions were sketchy...no question about it. I was angry, too, because like all of you, I work hard for my money and I get pissed when people try to scam me out of it. I'm not mad anymore and I'm not out to get this person. I just wanted to avoid getting scammed and I want other good-standing members of this community to avoid it too.
I've enjoyed being a part of the knife community for a while now. It is important to me that I maintain a good relationship with other members of the community, because so much of what we do is built on trust. We buy, sell, and trade knives based on the trust we have with dealers and other collectors. Sadly, that trust is abused by a few sketchy people. When I sell a knife, I give the buyer the option of PayPal F&F or G&S. Some buyers don't want to pay the extra fees and that's fine. It's their choice, but I give them the choice. I gave Morfiuss the choice and he chose goods and services. Unfortunately, he chose to abuse the feature by filing a false claim. This is the first time I've had this happen in dozens of transactions, but I have to admit, it will make me more cautious and skeptical in future transactions. And, it says a lot that he wouldn't honor that same request for others.
I think we can move on to more interesting conversations now. I hope this warning educates new members to the forum and serves as a reminder to the rest of us that we have to be careful.
Have a great day, fellas! Oh, and GO THUNDER!!
To clarify, I don't have a problem with someone flipping a knife or with how they choose to describe it. That's up to the buyer to verify. That was never the issue.
The problem I had was the fact that after he received the knife, he sharpened it, bead blasted it, used it, and after all of that (a week later) he filed a paypal claim stating I sold him a beat up knife. I didn't, but even if I had, the proper course of action would have been to immediately let me know, file the claim, box it back up, and ship it back to me. Don't take it apart, alter it, use it, and then blame me for damage. Worst of all, AFTER filing the paypal claim against me, the knife was posted for sale here. I was honest about the condition of the knife when I sold it to him. It was purchased directly from CKF, arrived in perfect condition, went into a safe, where it stayed until I resold it. It never cut anything, wasn't sharpened, no marks on it, and wasn't even carried. Regardless, if he felt I hadn't described it accurately, he should have notified me immediately and returned it. Don't alter it. It was only after I exposed all of this that the claim was rescinded. His actions were sketchy...no question about it. I was angry, too, because like all of you, I work hard for my money and I get pissed when people try to scam me out of it. I'm not mad anymore and I'm not out to get this person. I just wanted to avoid getting scammed and I want other good-standing members of this community to avoid it too.
I've enjoyed being a part of the knife community for a while now. It is important to me that I maintain a good relationship with other members of the community, because so much of what we do is built on trust. We buy, sell, and trade knives based on the trust we have with dealers and other collectors. Sadly, that trust is abused by a few sketchy people. When I sell a knife, I give the buyer the option of PayPal F&F or G&S. Some buyers don't want to pay the extra fees and that's fine. It's their choice, but I give them the choice. I gave Morfiuss the choice and he chose goods and services. Unfortunately, he chose to abuse the feature by filing a false claim. This is the first time I've had this happen in dozens of transactions, but I have to admit, it will make me more cautious and skeptical in future transactions. And, it says a lot that he wouldn't honor that same request for others.
I think we can move on to more interesting conversations now. I hope this warning educates new members to the forum and serves as a reminder to the rest of us that we have to be careful.
Have a great day, fellas! Oh, and GO THUNDER!!
You had me, until you had to go & make reference to that game last night! Being down 3-1, to the team currently playing the best basketball in the NBA, isn't looking very good for the G.S. Warriors! I'm not so much a OKC fan, but I would love to see Westbrook & Durant win an NBA title. BTW- that wasn't by any chance you at the game last night; the guy without a shirt with some "KIWI" thing written on his stomach?
Back on topic: As many people here have already stated; what this guy did (attempted to do), was so egregious, and blatant, that he absolutely deserves to be banned. No and's, if's, or but's!!!
I hope that somebody reported this guy to PayPal customer service, for selling Goods via the F&F option, basically stealing from PayPal & leaving buyer's without protection!
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You had me, until you had to go & make reference to that game last night! Being down 3-1, to the team currently playing the best basketball in the NBA, isn't looking very good for the G.S. Warriors! I'm not so much a OKC fan, but I would love to see Westbrook & Durant win an NBA title. BTW- that wasn't by any chance you at the game last night; the guy without a shirt with some "KIWI" thing written on his stomach?
Back on topic: As many people here have already stated; what this guy did (attempted to do), was so egregious, and blatant, that he absolutely deserves to be banned. No and's, if's, or but's!!!
I hope that somebody reported this guy to PayPal customer service, for selling Goods via the F&F option, basically stealing from PayPal & leaving buyer's without protection!
LOL...that was definitely NOT me on TV.
I enjoyed that game from the comfort of my recliner. I must admit, I was surprised at how last nights game ended. After Sunday, I expected the Warriors to take it to us, but the Thunder pulled it off. I hope they keep it up. Certainly no easy road from here. Thanks again for the support!
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What are you trying to accomplish with that? Would you like PayPal to decide to investigate Bladeforums transactions generally?
For all the times we try to remind people here to use PayPal correctly, we still get people who cheat themselves out of protection.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - If BFC would simply make it a violation for a seller to demand or accept F&F payment, it wouldn't stop the practice entirely, but it would deter it, it would be the right thing to do, and would reduce the number of instances where post hoc cleanup is required.
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The "right thing to do." That phrase really irks me. What's right to some is mind your own business to others. We are not PayPal's legal department.
A policy like that will have me writing warnings and infractions constantly.
I don't need BF's help with that, it's common sense.
I think the Mods have enough work to do without adding the need to check every sales thread on this forum.
Even if it was just a "rule" and they didn't check them, we would be pushing that green triangle 50X a day.
Sadly, most people don't read the rules, just like most people are willing to send someone they don't know hundreds of $'s for a knife without any sort of protection. May as well throw some cash in an envelope and mail it...
Back on topic. I NEVER said that what the seller did was OK, quite the opposite actually. My point was that this is how knife flippers operate.
They have a knife for such a short period of time, they rarely even know what the issues with it are, or how many hands it's passed through.
Their idea of "mint" is far from it, and they like to exaggerate condition.
They just want to move the thing to get the next one.
I don't believe there was any real malice here, again, just a knife flipper doing his thing....sadly.
The only thing I wasn't sure about was "should he be banned" (not my call anyway)
I see a lot of these kinda guys all over the place, so does everyone else. I think an infraction for not disclosing the full facts about the knife would be idea. I wonder how many people don't describe a knife properly even though they know it has issues?
I have been a victim of that twice in the last year....both reconciled.
As far as trying to return the knife because he felt it had an issue, then back peddling and putting it up for sale here, I am willing to bet that was more buyers remorse than anything. I'll take take the OP's word on the knife being in top shape when he sold it.
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We've rules out the ying yang, but one that actually protects buyers from unscrupulous sellers is a bridge too far? How hard is it for a mod, when doing whatever perusing of sales threads they do, to warn/infract a seller who's ad demands/allows F&F payment? It wouldn't take long for the practice to fade away, to the benefit of everyone. It isn't about protecting PayPal, it's about having an honest and safe marketplace.
That all I'm saying on the subject.
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If you are going to use a financial service, you should understand how it works. If you are going to engage in a specific market place, you should read the rules and understand how it works.
Those that are ignorant will fall victim. Those that knowingly disobey the TOS they agreed to and remove their own protection will shoot themselves in the foot. It's an endless cycle. In my opinion, the solution is to inform others and vote with your wallet. More rules to babysit grown ups and their monies will take away the mods' efforts from other necessary clean up duties.
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Just to be clear, "you" is a generalization, not you personally HappyDaddy.
Many issues seem to arise when folks jump right into the Exchange without feeling the place out. I have seen users say that they added NET, a PP percentage, PP GIFT, or CONUS to the verbiage of their thread just because they see others doing it without 100% understanding what they are actually putting in there. This is why the GBU is a great tool to use. You can not only learn who to deal with but also the do's and don'ts of a transaction.
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