Wayne Goddard and so called junk steel......

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Ed Fowler said:
It is easy to figure we have learned it all, then one day a huge amount of knowledge that has been right in front of your eyes all the time reveals itself to you and you are suddenly aware of more that awaits our discovery.
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...especially when you disregard any information outside of the bits that support your previous conclusions.

If you wouldn't mind, Mr. Fowler, I'd appreciate it if you provided Thoreau's quote as it was originally written - your paraphrasing is certainly not far from what I would expect from Thoreau, but I don't remember ever coming across that one.
 
Matthew: Princeton University Press published the journals of Henry D. Thoreau in 5 volumes, they are carefully unedited - exactly as he recorded his thoughts. As I read them I took notes, put them together to put into a computer file for easy access. The result is that notes are filed somewhere and I was unable to locate the exact reference. I will keep looking and post it up if and when I find it. I plan on reading them again this winter.
 
Ed Fowler said:
As I read them I took notes, put them together to put into a computer file for easy access. The result is that notes are filed somewhere and I was unable to locate the exact reference.
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Holy cow! but doesn't that just sound like my life! I've managed to organize so well throughout the years that I can never find anything, either...
 
Hey Kevin: I figured out how to pick a few words and play with them.
Your words:
but I feel that all of us as members of society have an obligation to defend the truth, perhaps you feel differently about such things.

My words: I do not feel that there is anyone qualified to defend William Scagel, nor is defense necessary, his knives speak for themselves. Did he experiment? Absolutely, we all did and if we are not experimenting now we are nothing but parasites feeding on the past.

Sure easy to twist!

My words:
Bill Scagel most certainly made knives of many steels as he learned his art.
Did he sell knives made of some oddball steel - probably not, did he experiment with them - probably yes.

His knives are a product of a man who lived the life his knives were meant to serve. His knowledge gained from actual performance rather than theory. His experience in metals was vast, his knowledge and appreciation of nature as well as mankind in general was well developed. He expressed himself through his knives, knives with integrity based on knowledge and emotion.

My dream - one day Michael Price's father, Rudy Ruana, Wayne Goddard, Frank Richtig, Rex Walter and I talking and making and using knives, each to his own. And to top it off - Henry David Thoreau taking notes!

One day Kevin you will hear a knife - maybe - you will feel emotion through the physical appearance of a knife - maybe -
and realize the sun will rise tomorrow - probably.
 
I attempted to twist nothing, you chose two of our quotes and put them together on your own. I posted my feelings, as you are fond of doing as well, and posed the possibility that you may feel differently about the correction of gross misinformation. The error in my words quoted by you was using a period instead of a question mark, as I still have no definitive answer, but in this case perhaps it could stand as a rhetorical question. So how does it work then, nobody is qualified to defend William Scagel unless of course they can somehow use his work or reputation in furthering their metaphysical claims to deeper knowledge than others, and then it is great P.R. to be his defender?

Sorry Ed, I doubt I will ever achieve your talent for hearing and interpreting what we should feel from inanimate objects. I can indeed appreciate the experience of beholding a beautiful knife, but it is a personal experience which I would not dream of defining for someone else, and I certainly would not claim to possess any deeper knowledge than the next guy over the experience. Since I don’t believe in psychometry I guess I will always be just one of the average folk learning the old fashioned way.

Come on Ed, you should know that I have no desire whatsoever to square off with you like this, it doesn’t benefit either of us. But I will not be dressed down by you for providing real, substantiated and documented information in dealing with an erroneous myth. I tried to be as nice as I could in the correction and still couldn’t avoid your high handed reprimand. Now you have poked me and I have responded so what say we leave it at that for this one and let this thread finally cool down a little?
 
OK Kevin: I will resist my strong desire to respond to your last volley.
Tis the end that crowns us - not the fight.
 
I know I have said this before Ed, and I'll say it again.

IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! :D

I first found Ed's first book when I was trying to find some info on swordmaking. Back then, I thought they were similar but I now know they are not.

Ed was the first to show me honest encouragement and for that I am grateful.

I am honored to count you amoung my friends Ed.:) Thank you.

oh, yeah. It's Mike Ed.
 
Ed Fowler said:
OK Kevin: I will resist my strong desire to respond to your last volley.
Tis the end that crowns us - not the fight.
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Amen! I am sure we will disagree again, but this time I will concede to your grace at being the better gentleman. Take care and never stop being yourself, and I will promise to do the same. :thumbup:
 
Mr. Cashen,
You have a way with words that only comes from a vast experience of experimentation, studying, observation, and putting all the above knowledge into words/writing. Your observations on heat treating throughout this website have helped me start to understand heat treating and how metal behaves at different temps. I am sure that I could name a lot more of the information that you have put into words, bottom line is.... You help me become a better knifemaker with the knowledge that you willingly share with me and others.

Mr. Fowler,
I recently put two and two together about you and said, "Aw Hah! That is the guy who had an article in Blade magazine!" I have had a subscription for the last two years, ever sense I have gotten back from overseas. Thanks to my wife. Your articles are insightful, knowledgeable, and make me want to achieve greater success than I currently have.

I want to say to both of you, you have earned more respect from me from the last two posts than all of the others that I have seen you post before on this forum. Your acts of kindness and consideration for each other speak volumes about the kind of men/bladesmiths that you are. Sometimes we all get in fights/disagreements with each other, but being a man means leaving it where it lay. You both have done that. For that I thank each of you.

Sincerely,
Bryan
 
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Ed Fowler said:
Matthew: Princeton University Press published the journals of Henry D. Thoreau in 5 volumes, they are carefully unedited - exactly as he recorded his thoughts. As I read them I took notes, put them together to put into a computer file for easy access. The result is that notes are filed somewhere and I was unable to locate the exact reference. I will keep looking and post it up if and when I find it. I plan on reading them again this winter.
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Ed, me and about everybody I know are fans of your knife making. I tend to agree with much of your writing and appreciate it all. I do have to ask about your quoting Thoreau?
 
Bubba, Ed is a very well read cowboy. Last I knew he was reading the complete works of Shakespear.

I've always respected Ed's knife making. And again, am damned glad to call him a friend.:)

~Mike_H (so Ed know's it's me:D)
 
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