We are losing members of our community

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More and more we are losing members of our knife making community both on Blade Forums and off because they are getting careless about buying materials. Please be sure that you know both state and federal regulations on the materials you buy. We hate to see people getting into trouble. If you have questions, ask around here or check with state and federal officials. If you are in doubt, err on the safe side. Because of the resent rise in ivory prices due to Chinese demand, all ivory is getting closer scrutiny.
 
What materials are we talking about. And are we talking about loosing because of death or just moving on ?

Thanks just want to know what you are saying.

Mark
 
I think he means people getting fines or jail time for buying or selling illegal materials. If you get busted selling a large amount of illegal ivory I'm pretty sure the only knife you would be making for a while would be out of a toothbrush sharpened on the concrete floor of your cell
 
I think he means people getting fines or jail time for buying or selling illegal materials. If you get busted selling a large amount of illegal ivory I'm pretty sure the only knife you would be making for a while would be out of a toothbrush sharpened on the concrete floor of your cell

What he said, but they also take small amounts seriously.
 
Oh..Thanks. Not worth going to jail just to make a knife. No maker how nice it would look
 
Mark
yea i think this is something where people are buying based on price alone and not checking if they are buying from a CITES regulated place .
i have bought several times only from places with the paperwork to go with it because i don't want/need the grief of not having it .
Phill i'm pretty sure Mammoth is good if you can prove it as Mammoth and where you bought it . sometimes the government worker can't tell what kind of ivory it is!
people get into big trouble buying/selling Elephant/Walrus ivory from non CITES places .
 
Is there a sticky that details state by state and federal rules here. If not it sounds like it is worthy of one.
 
It is a scary thing and you are right it must be taken seriously. Growing up we had ivory statues and pieces as decorations for years and while they would easily be worth a lot of money, they just sit and collect dust because selling and using them is just to risky.
 
The big ones are easy to cover. In a nut shell, The Marine Mammal act of '72 makes it illegal for non-natives to buy sell trade or barter any marine mammal part that was harvested after 1972.

If you buy materials from marine mammals, like walrus ivory you have to make sure the animal died before 1972.

Whale parts also have other rules regarding interstate commerce, whale bone may not be traded accross state lines. You may buy whale bone in person and bring it home but you may not order it from accross state lines. Sea cow bone is getting more scrutiny because wildlife officials believe that whale bone is being sold as sea cow bone because it has less restrictions.

For these reasons, when I buy walrus ivory that I am not sure is ancient (what we call "fossil") I make sure to get documentation to help show the animal died before 1972. I do the same for elephant ivory, the date for that is '89.
The documentation is as simple as a statement from the people you bought it from that says where the material came from the date it was obtained, a detailed discription of the material and the contact info of the person you bought it from, it is signed and dated. A picture of it in a den with old furniture and hair-doos around is better. When I make a knife or sell the material to another person, I make a copy of the document, add a note that says what I did. You can't fake this things, it has to be the real deal.

Antler and horn also have regs but they are different from state to state.

Stay safe and don't get into trouble just because you want to use sone cool material.
 
Mark, do the laws apply for personal use too? I vacation seaside in Maine each year and was wondering if I can collect some for personal use and bring it back to Canada. Thanks.
 
Thanks Mark for the info and what not. Its something that is good to know.
 
Patrice, the main rules are the same no matter what country you are from, it all depends on what you are doing with it. http://www.canadianivory.com/ has the base rules as well as rules that apply to Canada. I have tried to contact them to get some ivory but they don't reply to my emails. I don't know if I get sent to spam or what.
 
Patrice Lemée;12205982 said:
Mark, do the laws apply for personal use too? I vacation seaside in Maine each year and was wondering if I can collect some for personal use and bring it back to Canada. Thanks.

The laws differ from country to country but all CITES member countries are governed by the same treaty and regulate international commerce the same. Tattooedfreak has some good info. Most of these regs. are regarding the use of materials for commerce not personal use, however if you beach comb in the US and find materials that are covered by CITES, you may need a CITES permit to legally bring them home. CITES permits ar expensive and take a long time but if you don't have one and declare what you have at the border when you cross back, the worst thing they can do is take it away.

It's a complicated thing, and it's not easy to do the right thing all the time. Many officials can differentiate between someone making a mistake and someone intentionally breaking the law but for some it doesn't matter. It's very expensive to defend yourself even if you just make a mistake so it's better to be very careful.
 
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