WE Knives? Another high end Chinese company?

Planterz said:
I assume you mean unassisted AXIS locks. And remember that not all were made with thumbstuds.; there's plenty with holes for opening. But yeah, I'd agree that technically they could be considered gravity knives. Perhaps they've gone under the radar, or are considered not to be gravity knives because a detent or bias keeps it closed, rather than a switch, button, or other locking mechanism. Like a plunge lock automatic with the spring removed - lock keeps it locked both open and closed. There's plenty of other knives out there that can be manipulated to have the blade swing free, including lockbacks and the Spyderco compression lock. When the laws were written, a "gravity knife" mainly referred to German paratroop knives where the blade dropped out the front like an unsprung auto.

Decades later we've come up with countless mechanisms, locks, opening methods, etc, that for some reason still have to be classified by laws that weren't written with these newer designs in mind. State by state these absurd laws are being stricken down or at least redefined with more than arbitrary case law and DA's opinions, but at the Federal level, they've yet to do anything.
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That's my understanding as well, by my logic a gravity knife would be any knife that you can essentially swing open WITHOUT using any additional mechanical component, IE where you don't need to disengage the lock. Which would exclude any Axis Lock AND the Warlock/Phoenix, since you can swing the Warlock/Phoenix around as much as you want, unless you disengage the lock/open the knife, nothing happens. If am not mistaken the Fallschirmjager/Para Knife you can just swing downwards and gravity does the rest and you have to disengage the lock to retract the blade.

(And just to make sure, we're pretty much agreeing and just conversing here :D )
 
Lapedog said:
How is the double helix a gravity knife if axis or ball bearing lock are not? I do see how all of them could be considered gravity knives under overzealous knife ban areas. For example I have heard mwny areas say a knife that opens with centrifugal force is a “gravity knife.

I believe if you have to do an action before you shake the blade out like pull the axis bar back or as on the double helix then it may not be considered a gravity knife.

For example gravity and centrifugal knives are supposed to be illegal in canada and yet every hardware store sells these.

To open you hold down the button and wrist flick out the blade. To close it is a linerlock. Although even in NYC you can find one hand opening locking blades at hardware stores which are supposedly illegal in the city.


The paragon warlock you can hold the button to open the scales and the blade will just flop out even with no wrist flick so I can see why it is considered a gravity knife. I guess I am saying that axis lock knives can be opened the exact same way as this double helix, but they also have a thumbstud or hole.

These knife laws are confusing but I think if states let the axis lock in they will let the double helix in.
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Yeah, Laws just move to slowly compared to everything else. I think you can argue it any way you want, politicians air on the "I'm pretty much uninformed so I am gonna air on the side of caution rather than inform myself UNLESS I (or my family&friends)personally interested in the matter" side of things 99% of the time, or go with the popular vote. But I don't want things to get political here. Let's stick to mechanical aspects and logic :D
 
Lapedog said:
How is the double helix a gravity knife if axis or ball bearing lock are not? I do see how all of them could be considered gravity knives under overzealous knife ban areas. For example I have heard mwny areas say a knife that opens with centrifugal force is a “gravity knife.

I believe if you have to do an action before you shake the blade out like pull the axis bar back or as on the double helix then it may not be considered a gravity knife.

For example gravity and centrifugal knives are supposed to be illegal in canada and yet every hardware store sells these.

To open you hold down the button and wrist flick out the blade. To close it is a linerlock. Although even in NYC you can find one hand opening locking blades at hardware stores which are supposedly illegal in the city.

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The paragon warlock you can hold the button to open the scales and the blade will just flop out even with no wrist flick so I can see why it is considered a gravity knife. I guess I am saying that axis lock knives can be opened the exact same way as this double helix, but they also have a thumbstud or hole.

These knife laws are confusing but I think if states let the axis lock in they will let the double helix in.
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Look, I'm not a lawyer. From what I can see in the videos, you have to manipulate the lock of the Double Helix to open it. Maybe that's not the case. Beyond that, I can only make the same assumptions based on the same evidence as everyone else. Maybe all that's required is some sort of detent/bias that has to be overcome for manual opening to be considered not a gravity knife. Obviously that definition changes when you cross certain imaginary lines drawn on maps.
 
I googled a bit, and came across this:
"A gravity knife needs gravity or centripetal force to push the blade out of the handle, allowing one-handed opening and closing. This is in contrast to a switchblade, which uses a spring, button, switch, or fulcrum lever to extend the blade."
maybe the whole thing about actual gravity knives (in a legal definition) is that it's basically an unassisted OTF ? That would explain why a side opening knife with an Axis Lock isn't a gravity knife under the law? Which would hark back to the Paratrooper Knife?

Edit: No apparently not. Found also:
"...any knife which has a blade which is release from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever or other device"

Which would include Axis Locks once more. *pulls out hair in frustration*

And of course then you find Item Descriptions for the Warlock like:
"The Paragon Warlock is the most unique knife you’ll own. It is a folding knife, but is confused as a gravity knife. The Paragon Warlock is a manual opening folding knife with the blade hidden inside the handle when closed."
 
Planterz said:
Look, I'm not a lawyer. From what I can see in the videos, you have to manipulate the lock of the Double Helix to open it. Maybe that's not the case. Beyond that, I can only make the same assumptions based on the same evidence as everyone else. Maybe all that's required is some sort of detent/bias that has to be overcome for manual opening to be considered not a gravity knife. Obviously that definition changes when you cross certain imaginary lines drawn on maps.
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I can give you an answer but I have to sacrifice 11 chickens and wait for the next full moon on a night where the wind blows north by north east.

That’s the only way to be sure.
 
b00n said:
I googled a bit, and came across this:
"A gravity knife needs gravity or centripetal force to push the blade out of the handle, allowing one-handed opening and closing. This is in contrast to a switchblade, which uses a spring, button, switch, or fulcrum lever to extend the blade."
maybe the whole thing about actual gravity knives (in a legal definition) is that it's basically an unassisted OTF ? That would explain why a side opening knife with an Axis Lock isn't a gravity knife under the law? Which would hark back to the Paratrooper Knife?

Edit: No apparently not. Found also:
"...any knife which has a blade which is release from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever or other device"

Which would include Axis Locks once more. *pulls out hair in frustration*

And of course then you find Item Descriptions for the Warlock like:
"The Paragon Warlock is the most unique knife you’ll own. It is a folding knife, but is confused as a gravity knife. The Paragon Warlock is a manual opening folding knife with the blade hidden inside the handle when closed."
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Gravity knife laws are weird.

Here in holland gravity knives are banned but manual folders aren't. So an axis lock, compression lock ect is fine.

The laws are stupid anyway because auto's of any size are weapons by our law, making them illegal.

So that 5cm kershaw auto is a weapon, but a karambit is fine as long as it's not an auto.
If you put those next to eachother and ask people which is the weapon, i feel most would point to the karambit for sure. Which is the one that was actually made to be a weapon.
 
basmca said:
Gravity knife laws are weird.

Here in holland gravity knives are banned but manual folders aren't. So an axis lock, compression lock ect is fine.

The laws are stupid anyway because auto's of any size are weapons by our law, making them illegal.

So that 5cm kershaw auto is a weapon, but a karambit is fine as long as it's not an auto.
If you put those next to eachother and ask people which is the weapon, i feel most would point to the karambit for sure. Which is the one that was actually made to be a weapon.
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We can buy side opening autos here up to 8,5 cm blade length, but we can't carry them. Same with Karambits, you can buy them but you can't carry them, Tantos as well. And yes, Laws often make little real world sense.
 
I dig the Ferox, the Chimera is gonna be a pass since they use those dumb star screws on it. Shame sincer otherwise it is a nice shape.
 
I just saw the WE 809 Practic on IG. Looks a lot like the Gent with a little longer blade and some upgrades.

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What's up with the Practic? Specs says stainless liners but photo looks like anno ti.

The Wasabi looks pretty nice.
 
The WE Double Helix is a gravity knife, plain and simple.

It's completely undeniable, especially since it locks close and you need to open it by pushing the button, completely freeing up the blade. I love the design, including the mechanism, but it's a gravity knife by definition, with all the legal complications that comes along with it.
 
Why doesn't WE have it's own sub forum? I remember they tried to get one a long time ago.
 
AF said:
Why doesn't WE have it's own sub forum? I remember they tried to get one a long time ago.
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Still no answer from Spark. Probably still too busy with the forum software. Now we are considering applying for the other forum for a subforum.
 
How are the liners on the Practic colored? I understand that they're steel so they can't be annodized.
 
Rectifier is my favorite and just ordered a second.
Ideal size, weight and shape for EDCing.

How about a similar sized Practic with 2.9 inch blade?
 
Anyone got the Practic? The knife looks real good and m390 for that price is and quality is a steal. I don't own a We knife, but how is their heat treatment for their steels, like s35vn and m390? I really want to make the Practic my first We knife and I'll probably pull the trigger soon, as it looks to be a great EDC. Although I am looking for a thinner and less wide knife.
 
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