We, the People, hereby request......

GingivitisKahn said:
To paraphrase Douglas Adams, a folding Becker would be the bee's knees, the gnat's elbows and the complete set of erogenous zones of several major species of winged insects.
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I love Douglas Adams — a very funny man.

He would have loved a Becker folder too, I'm sure.:D
 
What Ethan could have said about the folder.

a.) Yo, Bobby, that’s a really great folder you’ve got there, and it’s just what we need for the Becker line. Finish it off and send it to us right away, so we can get it into production as soon as possible, because people are going to love it, and we’ll sell a ton of those beauties. Boy, I can hardly wait!

b.) Hey, Dawson, about that folder thing you did. We’re not sure that it’s exactly what we’re looking for right now, but we’re thinking about it. It does look kinda like a Becker folder, but how can we be sure that it really is a folder? I mean, we haven’t handled one, after all, so how can we really know? We’re going to form a committee of consideration to consider the subject considerably, and we’ll get back to you sometime later. By the way, I showed it to my dog, and he didn’t seem overly impressed.

c.) Uhhh, D-Bob, what the heck do you think you’re doing? Who told you that you could put my name on that thing? Do you do these things just to annoy me? Just how dense are you, anyway? Oh, well, since you’ve already done it, we might as well take a look, but I have to warn you, it’s not what I had in mind . . . and my cat doesn’t much like it, either. We’ll take a look when we get around to it — maybe — someday — when there’s nothing better to do, and maybe we’ll get back to you. Then again, maybe we won’t. All I’m saying is, don’t hold your breath, old man, 'cause you look really funny when you turn all purple . . . know what I’m saying?

d.) Folder? What folder? Who did? When? I didn’t ask . . . uhhh . . . whazzisname . . . to do a folder. Well, I haven’t got time for this right now, I have to mow the lawn. Did the dog like it? How about the cat? No? Then fugeddaboudit.

e.) What’s that idiot up to now? Folder? What folder? Naw, just ignore him, and maybe he’ll go away.

f.) Folder? I don’t need no stinkin’ folder. How about a toaster? Can he design a toaster? I could use a nice toaster . . .

g.) Stop, fool, you’re annoying my dog with this folder nonsense, and you can’t even design a good toaster. What good are you, anyway?



Sorry, Ethan, just funnin'. It's a slow Saturday, and I'm just being my usual silly self.

ETA: Disclaimer: Ethan didn't really say any of those things — I just made them up, because I haven't been seriously silly for awhile.
 
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dawsonbob said:
What Ethan could have said about the folder.
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h.) The dog barked at the cat. The cat clawed the dog. They were quite impressed with each other. The vet (during cat/dog repair), instead of a scalpel pulls out this massive folder. Have you been marketing this stuff behind my back?

(silly day here too!)
 
Bridgeman said:
h.) The dog barked at the cat. The cat clawed the dog. They were quite impressed with each other. The vet (during cat/dog repair), instead of a scalpel pulls out this massive folder. Have you been marketing this stuff behind my back?

(silly day here too!)
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I knew that something came after "g," I just couldn't remember what it was.:D
 
I'm in. I will buy one. Would like it to be 154cm and very thick like the CSAR-T. An Axis lock or Tri-ad equivalent would suit me fine.
 
dawsonbob said:
The Triad lock — designed by Andrew Demko — is a relatively new (2004, if I remember correctly) type of lock that really is quite sturdy. Simply, it tends to transfer stress through the locking pin to the liners in a more efficient manner than most locking systems, resulting in stronger locking due to not stressing any single point as much as some other systems. That's an oversimplification, and I hope I've gotten it right.

I haven't finished studying the Triad system yet, so I'm not an expert, although I am studying a number of locking systems right now.

For our purposes though, it's a moot point. The Triad lock is patented by Andrew Demko, and licensed exclusively (as far as I know) to another manufacturer. It's used only by them and Andrew Demko himself.

Is it really stronger than other locking systems? Yes, it seems to be, but let's not start thinking that it's the only thing to have. Yes it is stronger than most other systems, but that's a relative thing. A properly designed lock back, for instance, should provide all the security you need in a folder. One of the reasons that lock backs have remained popular for so many years is that they are strong and reliable.

If you want to know more about the Triad lock, exercise your Google-Fu: there is information out there.
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I would like a tri-ad or axis lock. Will leave it up to Ethan if he decides to get Demko involved.
 
EnduringEagle said:
I would like a tri-ad or axis lock. Will leave it up to Ethan if he decides to get Demko involved.
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To the best of my knowledge, Andrew Demko is under contract, and has licensed his lock exclusively to another company. Even if Ethan and KA-BAR wanted to use the TriAd, and were willing to spend the money, I don't think they could. Another company recognized the value of that lock, and locked it up tight (excuse the puns).
 
Gotta love that ultra lock it's why the ak-47 is my favorite pocket knife. A wave feature and a ultra lock is bad ass
 
it's entirely possible that Ethan and Team KaBar have already designed a folder(s), and are obligated to keep quiet about it; that might be one of many possible reasons why they are not responding - conflict of interest and all that. i wouldn't expect any public acknowledgement from them at all.

also, why buy a cool locking system someone else is using if you can come up with a better/different one, at a better price point? there seems to be nearly an infinite variety of them. well, dozens and dozens.


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
it's entirely possible that Ethan and Team KaBar have already designed a folder(s), and are obligated to keep quiet about it; that might be one of many possible reasons why they are not responding - conflict of interest and all that. i wouldn't expect any public acknowledgement from them at all.

also, why buy a cool locking system someone else is using if you can come up with a better/different one, at a better price point? there seems to be nearly an infinite variety of them. well, dozens and dozens.


Bladite
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It is entirely possible that Ethan and KA-BAR have designed a folder, or folders, already and, if they have, no one would expect them to disclose the details; that wouldn't be good business. On the other hand, there would have been absolutely no reason not to have contacted me just to say "Look, we're not going to do your folder, for reasons of our own." One doesn't preclude the other: playing it close to the vest on one thing, does not mean that it's necessary to ignore the other.

As I'm sure you've noticed by now, I'm on Team Becker/KA-BAR, and wouldn't be doing anything to hurt that. Still, stony silence isn't always the best way to handle something like this. There are a lot of people who want this Becker folder, and it would have been nice to be able to tell them "relax, guys. It's been a fun exercise, but it's not going to happen." I think everyone could understand that. I've been careful to point out all along that this thing is an "IF," not an "IS."

Ethan could have contacted me at any time — he has my phone number, as well as email and PM — to let me know. I'm a big boy, and I live in the IS not the IF, so I would have accepted it without any problem. My background is advertising and marketing, much of which is writing things in such a way that they're clear, but not offensive. I could have let everyone know that this wasn't coming to fruition, but other great things from Becker and KA-BAR were.

The thing is, though, that what you're saying doesn't really tell us anything either: is it speculation on your part, or is it by direction? You saying "Maybe this or that has happened" still leaves thing up in the air, so to speak. I know that you try to give hints to various things here and there, but sometimes you're a little too vague.

On to other things. You make a great point about locks. There are lots of good ones out there, so let me say this one more time THE TRIAD LOCKING SYSTEM IS PROPRIETARY, AND KA-BAR CAN'T USE IT!
 
dawsonbob said:
The thing is, though, that what you're saying doesn't really tell us anything either: is it speculation on your part, or is it by direction? You saying "Maybe this or that has happened" still leaves thing up in the air, so to speak. I know that you try to give hints to various things here and there, but sometimes you're a little too vague.
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there are things i can say (even given outright permission to), and there are thing i cannot, and things i dare not. there's stuff i plain don't know either. they very much don't fill me in on biz. plus, don't want to step on toes by taking a tone that i do know something or "make decisions" for them. it's not for me to say what their policy and decisions are.

in this case, i'm ASSUMING, it's like a writer for a movie or a tv show getting mail from fans on ideas and topic. they for whatever reason, they have not avowed or denied getting [any] ideas.

now, we know they have a presence here, and we know they read stuff, so it's safe to assume they're GENERALLY aware. it is after all their marque.

as to why they are not participating? perhaps their have lawyers have hogtied them. shame they don't have a hide-away knife ;)

so, all i can do is be slightly vague on this one information-wise, and try to be a happy balanced mod. bring on the lively talk... and keep it mixed up :)


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
there are things i can say (even given outright permission to), and there are thing i cannot, and things i dare not. there's stuff i plain don't know either. they very much don't fill me in on biz. plus, don't want to step on toes by taking a tone that i do know something or "make decisions" for them. it's not for me to say what their policy and decisions are.

in this case, i'm ASSUMING, it's like a writer for a movie or a tv show getting mail from fans on ideas and topic. they for whatever reason, they have not avowed or denied getting [any] ideas.

now, we know they have a presence here, and we know they read stuff, so it's safe to assume they're GENERALLY aware. it is after all their marque.

as to why they are not participating? perhaps their have lawyers have hogtied them. shame they don't have a hide-away knife ;)

so, all i can do is be slightly vague on this one information-wise, and try to be a happy balanced mod. bring on the lively talk... and keep it mixed up :)


Bladite
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I do understand your position, bro, and I think I've mentioned that before. And trust me, in my business I was operating on NDA's (non-disclosure agreements) a lot of the time, because I had foreknowledge of products that weren't released yet, and, in some cases, matters of national defense.

I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming you: I'm not in the slightest. You're in the position your in, and while you may get some information, you would almost certainly not be allowed to share all of it.

As far as Toooj goes, I never expected him to be able to say anything, anyway. On the one hand, he is a spokesman for KA-BAR; on the other hand, the Becker line is Ethan's baby, so I wouldn't expect Toooj to comment on it without Ethan's say so.

As far as reasons Ethan hasn't weighed in? I don't know. Even if he didn't want to weigh in publicly, he could have let me know, and I would have handled it.

One of the problems with this particular issue is that so many people are behind this knife, and are going to feel let down if it doesn't happen. A word or two a few months ago, and I could have toned things down.

I want things to go well with this board (it's where I spend most of my time, after all), and I want things to go well with both the Becker and KA-BAR brands.
 
Is the ultra lock out of the question?

All I know it that I wouldn't buy it if it was a liner lock . Not that I hate liner locks it's just I would want something alot more solid on a Becker folder
 
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