We, the People, hereby request......

What about a limited run of uncoated knives. It would be easy and cost less ( in materials ) and wouldn't require any special production needs, just skip the step where they coat it

coating it is probably the cheapest step...

if they tool up to make 50, they might as well make 500; that costs a lot of time and money. speaking of tooling, they pretty much have to make custom stamps and other things, program CNC designs, stud mounting methods, spend time with prototypes and perfect the lockup and other mechanical issues.

if they started NOW? with nothing else to do? maybe by Blade 2011. i don't think they could make Shot Show 2011. with the kicker being, they DO have stuff to do. taking care of the current KaBar lineup, many new knives already in the pipeline, multiple new Becker items coming.

even if they said "yes, we're going to do it" (and they haven't officially said a thing (probably for legal reasons)), it would be much longer than my Machax ;) (2011-ish? maybe?)...


Bladite
 
coating it is probably the cheapest step...

if they tool up to make 50, they might as well make 500; that costs a lot of time and money. speaking of tooling, they pretty much have to make custom stamps and other things, program CNC designs, stud mounting methods, spend time with prototypes and perfect the lockup and other mechanical issues.

if they started NOW? with nothing else to do? maybe by Blade 2011. i don't think they could make Shot Show 2011. with the kicker being, they DO have stuff to do. taking care of the current KaBar lineup, many new knives already in the pipeline, multiple new Becker items coming.

even if they said "yes, we're going to do it" (and they haven't officially said a thing (probably for legal reasons)), it would be much longer than my Machax ;) (2011-ish? maybe?)...


Bladite

Bladite is absolutely correct, in that the coating is actually a relatively minor thing.

He's also right in that it's the tooling for one thing and another that takes some time and expense. While this should be a fairly simple knife to produce, it does require — like any production knife — certain tooling.

I designed this knife with manufacturing in mind. It’s fairly simple to let yourself go and design something that looks good to you, only to find out that it takes extensive machining and hand work to produce: I didn’t do that. I had ease of manufacture and production costs in mind every step of the way. Virtually all the parts of this thing are simple laser cuts, with the exception of the spring, bolts and scales. The bolts are standard items, the bent spring (simple) would have to be manufactured, and the scales would be CNC milled (probably outsourced).

The blade itself would have to be ground, of course, but there should be surprisingly little other milling and hand work.

I can provide KA-BAR with vector files (Illustrator) or DFX files (CAD), or whatever other files they might need. I stopped working on this design, waiting for some Sign From Above that there was some interest. If there were some Sign From Above, I would gladly finish it off and send the files to Toooj. There are still a couple of refinements I’d like to make to the lock-up, but — other than that — it’s pretty much ready to go.

Assuming that they did request the files though, there are still refinements to be made at their end. As Bladite pointed out, they’re going to need to tweak things to work with their manufacturing operation, and that can take awhile.

How long would it take? Well, as Bladite pointed out, it takes quite awhile to bring something like this to market: there are a lot of things that most of us never think about that go into producing even something as simple as this knife. I think they could prototype it in a reasonable time — and probably show a prototype at the Shot Show in January — but actual production release might not be until Blade 2011.

But that’s if they decide to do it — and that’s the kicker, folks: they haven’t said a word about it, so we just don’t know. I haven’t heard a single word from any source (other than all of you who want one) about this knife. Absolutely nothing from Ethan or Toooj, so far. I have no idea why not, but there it is. Bladite mentioned possible legal issues, but I can’t imagine what those might be. This is an original design, and doesn’t use anyone else’s patented design for any portion.

Looks like Bladite is right: he’ll get his new Machax before we get our folder.
 
Just want to point out that I'm 64. If they do decide to produce it, I hope it will be before I need the nurse to open the blade for me. :rolleyes:

Once again, db, your design is awesome. I'm not buying any more folders (I think :o), but will make an exception for this one.

Doc
 
Just want to point out that I'm 64. If they do decide to produce it, I hope it will be before I need the nurse to open the blade for me. :rolleyes:

Once again, db, your design is awesome. I'm not buying any more folders (I think :o), but will make an exception for this one.

Doc

I hope it's out before that, too, Doc. I'm even older than you: who knows what kind of shape I'll be in by then. We'll be a couple of doddering old fools who can't even open our own folders: it just ain't right.:D

It occurs to me that this thing was first shown on April 17, 2010 — almost three months ago — and we still haven't heard a thing. Makes one wonder.

Thanks for the kudos, Doc. I just hope they do decide to produce it, and you can get one before you need the nurse to handle things for you.:D
 
I really don't buy many folder these days, but I know I will get this one if it comes out. Just because it looks pretty sweet, and I hear lots of good things about Beckers ;)
 
I really don't buy many folder these days, but I know I will get this one if it comes out. Just because it looks pretty sweet, and I hear lots of good things about Beckers ;)

Thanks, TheGame. It really would be sweet, IMHO.:D

All the good things you hear about Beckers are true: they're darn good knives, at a really good price point.

Now, if they only made a folder ...
 
Bias isn't bad if the product would be of quality though. And we know that it would if it had the Becker name on it. :thumbup:

Bingo! Ethan and Toooj — and I in my modest way (if I have any say in it) — wouldn't let it out the door unless it were a quality product. The Becker brand — and KA-BAR — have a reputation to uphold.
 
Just incase I confused you guys I am talking about making an uncoated bk2 bk7 and bk9 that's why i said it would be cheap it's just skipping one step in a manufacturing process they already have in place
 
Just incase I confused you guys I am talking about making an uncoated bk2 bk7 and bk9

Thought you were talking about the folder. If you have a BK-2, BK-7, or BK-9, then no, I doubt seriously that they'll be released without a coating.

You can always strip one though: many people do.
 
Thought you were talking about the folder. If you have a BK-2, BK-7, or BK-9, then no, I doubt seriously that they'll be released without a coating.

You can always strip one though: many people do.

some knives with coatings are hiding serious flaws and cheapness of grind...

and while the KaBars aren't mirror polished underneath, they're not too shabby :)

SOME knives are so awful, they have to be coated ;)

so, for KaBar, it would probably entail more work, as they would insist on a good finish of some kind, and that would raise the price quite a bit.


Bladite
 
I thought it would be nice maybe a limited run of a few thousand

check out the price difference between the two BK11 variants and the BK7/77 variants

now, once upon a time, the Cincinnati Beckers had no coatings, barring actually being plated (hard chromed mirror polish) and then some phosphate finishes... eventually epoxy as things moved along...

finally the black coating we're used to from Camillus and now KaBar. i think this allowed them to keep them made in the USA at reasonable prices.

the coating is pretty trivial to remove though, but a mirror polish is a lot of work.


Bladite
 
I wouldn't want a mirror finish but it's cool it's was just a thought I figured they would just slap handle scales on uncoated blades and nothing more no polishing or sandblasting
 
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