What CAN I carry in NYC?

I am a NYC cop and if i wanted to could probably ticket arrest and or take anyones knife BUT i have never taken a persons knife unless they were arrested and in that case it was vouchered and returned to them or a family member

that being said most of NYC is so crime ridden that all knives are outlawed for the most part

heres the goods

New York - Penal Law Section 265.01. A person is guilty of
criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:
(1) He possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic stun
gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal
knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles,
chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type slingshot or
slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or
(2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto,
imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon
with intent to use the same unlawfully against another; or
(5) He possesses any dangerous or deadly weapon and is not a
citizen of the United States...
Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree is a class A
misdemeanor.

"Gravity knife" means any
knife has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity of the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
device. [Note: In NYC, and potentially in other NY
jurisdictions, this definition is construed to apply to
ANY folding knife with a blade that locks open. ]



Most GOOD cops use the pocketknife laws as a reason to run a suspect they think might have a warrant or to use the search incident to a lawful arrest as a way to check for drugs guns etc... ( most people don't know a ticket is given in lieu of an arrest) I have seen bad cops write hard working men with a little pocketknife they use to open boxes and ive seen bad cops with lockers full of "confiscated" knives those cops are thieves unfortunately our badges don't make us magically honest or better people


technically you can be ticketed or worse for ANY knife that folds and locks which covers pretty much anything except small folders and SAK's if i was gonna carry a knife in NYC i would carry it IN pocket and not clipped and only take it out to use it
 
I have read the five percent capison limit, but I can't find where. It might reside in the health code, since they have approval rights.

"technically you can be ticketed or worse for ANY knife that folds and locks which covers pretty much anything except small folders and SAK's if i was gonna carry a knife in NYC i would carry it IN pocket and not clipped and only take it out to use it" As quoted above

If the knife can not be flicked open and is under 4" in NYC then even if it locks it is not illegal as long as their is no intent to use as a weapon. A stiff folding lock back is still legal. I am having lunch with Chief E M ( your are bkn right?) on Thursday, I promise to mention how there needs to be some updating on knife laws to the MOS....
 
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lol yeah mate but you and i both know that what flies on the street and what happens on paper are 2 different things :) i agree with you about the laws i almost never write those tickets .. like i said just use them as a reason to run for warrants...

tell the chief i want another raise and better health benefits and more days off too :)
 
I will....he is a good guy and was the BKN exec for a bit...He is at OPP now.....Don't think he can do much on the raise part...lol....
 
lol yeah i was only joking... im almost out anyways .. wife keeps begging me to vest out and move to FL
 
furf, thanks for sharing and for not busting people for simply carrying pocket knives. Back when I was 19, a cop in Harlem let me slide with a butterfly knife with a blade over 4". He was more interested in the bulge in my bubble jacket (a digital camera). Once he realized I didn't have a gun, he didn't care about the knife. I got real lucky that day!

I bought a couple of Spanish navajas last week and I was thinking they'd be legal lockable carry in NYC. You need two hands to open them up and there's no way in hell you can flick one open, even if you hold onto the blade. They come in all sizes too, so getting one with a blade under 4" would be easy. Of course, you can still get hassled for 'em if you run into the wrong cop(s) on the wrong day...

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jay, the only issue with clasp style knives, is the "dangerous knife" clause. A dangerous knife is one that has been presented or used as a weapon, but can also be a knife that is a weapon by design. Daggers, tanto blades, ad spear blades can fit into this, but the ones you pictured by many non knife people may also seem very weapon like by design.....
 
unfortunately if a cop wants to hassle you hes gonna hassle you regardless of knife i just try to not give them excuses sweet knives btw :)
 
I searched the PL, NYC Adin, Health code, and general business law...There WAS a 5% capison limit but I can not find it, so perhaps it has been removed....It has been awhile for me.
 
Yep, I realize you can still get charged for a dangerous knife and get hit with CPW 4th. Navajas were originally weapons, so yeah, they do have the Arab dagger look going on. Fortunately, I now live out in Asia where I can carry any size knife I want as long as it's not for self defense. ;)
 
furfmonkey said:
that being said most of NYC is so crime ridden that all knives are outlawed for the most part
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NYC is crime ridden *because* the government demands all citizens disarm themselves. The Second Amendment is more important than New York, or its politicians and armed citizens are less likely to be victims of crime than defenseless ones.

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Beckerhead #42
 
So... I ...guess you could carry a very sharp pointed tooth pic and be ok then right? Makes my glad I live in the south........
 
tom19176 said:
I have read the five percent capison limit, but I can't find where. It might reside in the health code, since they have approval rights.

"technically you can be ticketed or worse for ANY knife that folds and locks which covers pretty much anything except small folders and SAK's if i was gonna carry a knife in NYC i would carry it IN pocket and not clipped and only take it out to use it" As quoted above

If the knife can not be flicked open and is under 4" in NYC then even if it locks it is not illegal as long as their is no intent to use as a weapon. A stiff folding lock back is still legal. I am having lunch with Chief E M ( your are bkn right?) on Thursday, I promise to mention how there needs to be some updating on knife laws to the MOS....
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The 5% limit is a joke, because the clowns who wrote that law obviously have no idea about how OC actually works. The human body is not going to absorb more than 1% of the stuff at one time, so anything above that is actually a waste. The person who told me this is a railroad police officer and a Massachusetts-certified OC spray instructor. NYC bureaucrats obviously don't know much about defensive weapons, other than the fact that they don't want civilian sheeple in possession of them.
 
furfmonkey said:
I am a NYC cop and if i wanted to could probably ticket arrest and or take anyones knife BUT i have never taken a persons knife unless they were arrested and in that case it was vouchered and returned to them or a family member

that being said most of NYC is so crime ridden that all knives are outlawed for the most part

heres the goods

New York - Penal Law Section 265.01. A person is guilty of
criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:
(1) He possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic stun
gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal
knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles,
chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type slingshot or
slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or
(2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto,
imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon
with intent to use the same unlawfully against another; or
(5) He possesses any dangerous or deadly weapon and is not a
citizen of the United States...
Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree is a class A
misdemeanor.

"Gravity knife" means any
knife has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity of the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
device. [Note: In NYC, and potentially in other NY
jurisdictions, this definition is construed to apply to
ANY folding knife with a blade that locks open. ]



Most GOOD cops use the pocketknife laws as a reason to run a suspect they think might have a warrant or to use the search incident to a lawful arrest as a way to check for drugs guns etc... ( most people don't know a ticket is given in lieu of an arrest) I have seen bad cops write hard working men with a little pocketknife they use to open boxes and ive seen bad cops with lockers full of "confiscated" knives those cops are thieves unfortunately our badges don't make us magically honest or better people


technically you can be ticketed or worse for ANY knife that folds and locks which covers pretty much anything except small folders and SAK's if i was gonna carry a knife in NYC i would carry it IN pocket and not clipped and only take it out to use it
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As a civilian I think your approach is smart and reasonable. I have spoken with cops in a couple different states (not NY) and they have said the same thing. They don't care about the pocket knife but if some punk starts smart mouthing them or is doing something stupid then the knife issue becomes fair game.

Thanks for your service.
 
New York City Police Department Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said, "Police officers assigned to public housing developments try to provide safety for the low-income residents who live there that occupants of doormen buildings elsewhere take for granted. One of the ways they accomplish this is through vertical patrols."

A settlement is not an official ruling, so the decision does not represent a legal precedent. Additionally, The city says the settlements are not an admission of any wrongdoing.

However, it does raise the bar on the distance NYPD make take the practice of stop and frisk, against the risk of another settlement.


Business as usual.... i don't see it affecting what i do day to day... like i said i don't abuse the rules... maybe it will make others think twice... i won't because im doing it to protect myself and others... not for personal gain
 
furfmonkey, I spent Monday, Tuesday and Friday at Flatbush and Atlantic with the BNTF and 88 and 84 COs and the TF Inspector due to bad kids....anyway I had a talk about the 250 issue and yes it stops crime but at what cost? remember you and I took a swearing in that said above all else we must uphold th Constitution....That troubling Fourth Amendment keeps getting in the way. The end does not justify the means if the cost we pay is loseing our right to walk freely down the street.

Of course a civil verdict does not mandate a change in the actions of the NYPD, but they have been put on notice that they are liable for unwarranted searches, and those brothers in IAB will someday be out acting like perps to see what that 250 list as PC for the stop and when the MOS in IAB states he did not commit that act, then there goes the pension, and possible charges....never doubt them for being creative....Then lets see what Kelly and Browne say about those officers caught falisfying the PC on the 250s....
 
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hey i agree anyone falsifying official papers should lose their job and worse... unfortunately when people are given power it can be corrupted or used in a manner it was not intended for.. like they say with great power comes great responsibility.
 
tom19176 said:
...remember you and I took a swearing in that said above all else we must uphold th Constitution....That troubling Fourth Amendment keeps getting in the way...
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I wonder what percentage of NY cops have ever actually read the Constitution the swore to uphold.

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Beckerhead #42
 
GingivitisKahn said:
I wonder what percentage of NY cops have ever actually read the Constitution the swore to uphold.
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"oh your one of those reading types aint ya?!" hahaha i got that once. my guess is none of them especially NYC. they get rid of all the good (loose term applied) cops by placing them on administration duties, thus leaving the dicks to patrol the streets.
 
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