What do you guys think of this???

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Thought those who dont check out the General Forum might find this interesting.

There is a thread going on in the General Forum about Busse vs Fehrman. And although my post isnt about that, Nozh2002 otherwise known as Vassilli posted these interesting pictures and explanation as to why his GW rippled and dented on wood.

Here is the thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=605913

And the post http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6295137&postcount=28

Now in my experience I have seen INFI do this the tiniest bit after a first reprofile and massive amounts of abuse against wood. But to never do it again after the first touch up. So why would his GW do this with only a little bit of abuse? Is it the angle of the regrind or type? It looks to be a FATTY I think.
 
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I think you and Cobalt hit it.

I think the claim of that being a Game Warden is BS!
 
A VERY thin edge and a lot of force. The angle of the bevel shown looks to have that puppy at where I would sharpen something I would want to slice cartain softer materials only and NOT pound into wood. His earlier post of INFI not holding a good enough edge alludes to probable attempts of experimentation by thinning the edge via heightening the bevels past the previous bevel shoulders and shrinking the total angle at the edge greatly. He should have sharpended another knife the same way and pounded THAT into the "dried wood" to see what would happen to something not INFI at a similar edge angle and grind.

Edit to say that the profile does look weird for a game warden which could be due to any drastic mods he may have done and possible the angle of the photo. He also has yet to respond to Cobalt.
 
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It's the angle, waaaay to acute for anything other than a kitchen knife in my opinion. It will slice well, but I wouldn't take his GW to any hard use at all. On the positive side, a good kitchen knife at 11 degrees will chip if it hits something it doesn't like. His GW looks like a steel could fix most of the damage.
Vasalli is a sharpening guy, very into steels and getting the sharpest edge. I don't think he'd lie about the knife being a GW. He probably just put too much of an acute edge on the GW.
 
Yeah, I'd be interested to see some better pics of that knife. It doesn't look like any factory grind I've ever seen.
 
Vassilli has been known to put extremely thin edges on his knives, so I don't doubt that that's a GW. Once it's brought to that thin of edge, I would expect to see ripples on any piece of steel, but that's just me. Remember that that's a pretty close up shot, the damage is exaggerated to some degree.
 
Looks more like an AD shaped blade. Hard to tell anything from those pics, though, except that maybe he did grind the edge a little thin for any knife.
 
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It's not a factory grind. I know Vasalli owns a GW and he's re-profiled it so I have no reason to believe he's not telling the truth. Plus he's a pretty upstanding guy here...
 
That looks like a stripped GW that's been f'd up by a silly reprofiling. The edge seems to be extremely thin. Like too-thin-for-a-kitchen-knife thin.
 
After looking at the pics again I now can see that it is really thin. At first it looked like a FATTY to me with a weird scandi type grind on it. That explains it. Way too thin.
 
The reprofiled edge on that knife is ridiculously thin and the statments made about INFI, based on this drastically altered edge, are completely irresponsible!!!. . . :eek:

If we thought that paper thin edges were the best performance geometry for INFI, we would be putting them on ourselves.

As for edge holding, we are still the only manufacturer to have cut over 2,700 pieces of 1 inch hemp rope in a "LIVE" demonstration at BLADE Show 1999. . . NO other manufacturer has even attempted to duplicate this test.

It's been almost 10 years of waiting. . . .

So, while we're waiting for this to happen. . . .

Let's Drink!!!! :thumbup:

Jerry :D



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As already said, any knife with super thin grind will flex like that. Even assuming no excessive heat build up while regrinding (ie did it all by hand).

I have a convexed .22 gw, and I have had to fix the tip a bit, after dropping it on concrete, just a tiny bit. I have also had to fix the edge on my FBMLE after it made contact with the spine of another knife. Very very minor, about 3 minutes to fix. Most recently, I have accidentally chopped a small pebble rock with the edge on the FBMLE (rock picked up in some dirty logs I was splitting, and left on the chopping stump, oops).

I pry with my gw, and all other Busse's, the only one I would hesitate to pry with is a BAD, or other thin knife.

The edge on that GW looks super super thin.
 
Hell, I batoned a BAD through seasoned hardwood and you can't even tell looking at the blade. If a blade as thin as a BAD can do it without damage, his edge must be paper thin on that thing.
 
I think that Vassilli's post shows that INFI did quite well when you take into account the really thin edge that GW likely has. It also shows that he may have felt that it should have done better and expected INFI to do something that no steel was meant to do to a certain extent; defy geometry and physics. It is a steel and as posted several times on this forum often found to be the best excelling at all characteristics of steels instead of just one, with some other steels possibly excelling in one characteristic over INFI but not all. However, again as great as it is we have to remember that although it doesn't need to be babied it is a steel and will have limits as all steels do. I personally like the edge INFI takes and the ease of stropping/sharpening it back. Some may take a slightly sharper edge but they may also take a little longer to maintain and lack in other qualities. To each his own.
 
Jerry Busse said:
As for edge holding, we are still the only manufacturer to have cut over 2,700 pieces of 1 inch hemp rope in a "LIVE" demonstration at BLADE Show 1999. . . NO other manufacturer has even attempted to duplicate this test.
Jerry :D.
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no other manufacturer has been drunk enough to even think of trying this. once i got a couple of gallons of woosky and tried it but they didn't have enough rope in idaho for me to finish (we hang a lot of folks around here), i did get to 2643 cuts before i passed out....


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Looks like the edge has been over heated in a few spots too...
Prolly ruined the temper
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IIRC, unless he's bought one of the fatty's, that's most likely a Skunk Warden that he's stripped the coating off and reprofiled himself. So... That's .19" (+/-) thick, and ground down to a waaaaay thinner edge. The wood for his lizard might be kiln dried, or at least seasoned well. Looks like a hardwood of some type, and he most likely jammed the tip in and rotated the blade from side to side to increase the size of the holes. What we don't see is the same angle on any other blade made from S30V (aren't Fehrman knives S30V?) and tested at the same task, because I believe that if he duplicated this grind on a similar knife of shape/thickness and tried this, he'd have most likely chipped out pieces on an edge like that instead, which would be considerably worse than this easily repairable damage.

JMHO :)

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Looks like the edge has been over heated in a few spots too...
Prolly ruined the temper
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I don't know much about this... But that thought on the temper went through my head also.
 
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