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What Happened to the ZT 0888?
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How much of a premium did you pay for the KSG? Trying to recoup that money?
It's a nice knife but not 1k nice. Good luck.
It's a nice knife but not 1k nice. Good luck.
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I think there may have been a group of individuals who HAD to have an 888 as soon as possible and either had unusually deep pockets or are simply willing to overpay to get one in hand asap.
These are the individuals who buy the first ones to hit the secondary market at whatever the seller chooses to list them at.
However once this (presumably small) group all have their 888's in hand the rest will be bought by people who are only willing to pay so much and thus either the price must come down or they won't move.
I'm sure this is applicable outside of knives too, I have a coworker who NEEDS the new Xbox and is willing to pay double msrp to get one while most people will wait until the availability increases to get one at msrp.
I think another force driving these purchases is that some people may not want the knife as much as they want to have the knife before other people which is another discussion altogether.
EDIT: Wow, that's was long.
TLDR:
Just because the first 888's sold for $1000+ doesn't mean that's what they're actually worth, just what they were worth at that time.
These are the individuals who buy the first ones to hit the secondary market at whatever the seller chooses to list them at.
However once this (presumably small) group all have their 888's in hand the rest will be bought by people who are only willing to pay so much and thus either the price must come down or they won't move.
I'm sure this is applicable outside of knives too, I have a coworker who NEEDS the new Xbox and is willing to pay double msrp to get one while most people will wait until the availability increases to get one at msrp.
I think another force driving these purchases is that some people may not want the knife as much as they want to have the knife before other people which is another discussion altogether.
EDIT: Wow, that's was long.
TLDR:
Just because the first 888's sold for $1000+ doesn't mean that's what they're actually worth, just what they were worth at that time.
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I would never buy any other Kel-Tec because they have reliability issues. The KSG (which I paid less that 1000. for) is a fantastic weapon that runs fine, just don't short stroke it (as with any pump shotgun). My Karma is fine. I am not desperate to sell any of my knives, I was just doing it because I had to dip into savings to get the KSG, a 26" bull-pup with a magazine capacity of 14+1. As for Paypal's clause, I see people asking for gift or 3.5% all the time. If that is grounds for having my account with PP frozen, I won't do that again.
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I only paid about 170.00 above what should be an 800.00 price tag. I am trying to recoup all the money I spent on it, because I took it from my savings acct. Never the less, my savings will be just fine either way. I'm a couple grand away from putting half down on a new vehicle. About the KSG, I can't speak Highly enough about this weapon!
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But, ZT doesn't make any money on these exclusive designs, they just do it to show off their ability! (I've heard that a bunch)
I have heard this once or twice before as well but I don't believe it. I have no doubt that limited editions aren't cash cows since they only sell a few hundred of them and the only way to make mad money is to sell many thousands or millions of something. Companies don't do anything that doesn't make them money unless they're multibazillion dollar global megacompanies like Volkswagen who can f around and get a triple double.
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500 pieces X 300 dollars = 150,000 thousand probably a bit of profit there perhaps? ( I don't know what they sell for but I'd say an 0888 brings at least that to the company)
Yeah but imagine the immense cost to make these. The blade steel is way more expensive than a typical knife, the whole handles are Ti which is expensive, they must take forever on the CNC which costs a fortune to run plus I'm sure the engineer who made it demands a hefty salary.
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**PURE SPECULATION FOLLOWS*** I wonder if Kai/ZT closing down their forum is causing some of the "hype" that usually accompanies one of these limited runs to die down a bit. What I am saying is.. Now that there isn't a ZT forum here, people on this forum are less likely to pay a severely overinflated price becuase there is nobody to "brag" to.. Again, pure speculation on my part. Maybe you will be better off trying Ebay?
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You realize the amount of time put into designing and tooling these just to make 250 of each steel. Also not everyone comes out correct and is scraped. Plus the hardware on it is only for this knife and is not borrowed from other knives. And the time spent on milling these have to be insane. Especially the clips.
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I think there's money made myself. I could be wrong but..... maybe I'm not.
Ah well then ya lost me. They're almost certainly making some money off these limited editions. But it's likely fair to assume that they make a much slimmer profit on them than they do on their Chinese knives with G10 and 8Cr13Mov that they sell by the bazillionton.
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Keep on turning them out and we will keep on buying and fussing over them! (Don't say we won't)
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The only knife I've heard of ZT losing money on is the 0777. That's also the only knife they've ever said anything toward whether or not they make or lose money on it. Therefore, discussion on the 0600 and 0888 are a mute point.
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I'd be floored if they make $50 honestly
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Pretty much.
If ZT was making HUGE profit margins like people think on these limited edition knives, they would be regular production.
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That's not too bad. I bought one at msrp along with a PMR30. Had to buy both was the catch. I only wanted the PMR. Shot the KSG once and just didn't get it. Not for me. I sold it for a $100 more than I paid and everyone was happy. The PMR is outta this world.
As for your knife. I'd venture to guess your willingness to pay premiums for these guns and knives influences your belief that they're worth more than msrp. I understand, been there myself. The problem is it's always a gamble. If the market has stabilized for that model you may have missed the window.
I also think the poster talking about the absence of the KAI forum my be right. At least here on bladeforums. The KAI talk has declined significantly since the forum closed up. Find out where those guys went and you might get your number. Or that big auction site. Good luck.