What happened??

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I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.

Thought I'd share this since this post got a lot of attention....not trying to fuel up anything here but I thought you'd like to hear the END OF THE STORY.

Yes....I'm beginning to think there's a real point to the fact that some women should have more to do in the say-so of the family in certain relationships/situations than the currently have and, well.....here's one of them in my opinion. Good job sis....
 
If the dad would teach the kid how to use it he would respect it. This kid has no idea what his knife can do so he doesn't respect the tool. If the dad let the grandpa teach his grandson how to use it, and what is capable of, he would respect and care for his knife rather than carry it as a novelty. The worst thing the dad can do is NOT let the grandpa teach the kid how to use his knife. If you leave the kid on his own to figure out how to use the knife, there will be severe consequences.
Yes, modern society sucks. I can attest to that. The future of America is mindless zombies with no spine. It's sad but true.
 
I know how you must feel. My dad always carried a pocket knife around where ever he went. Now a days I am having to carry as small a pocket knife around as possible just so people dont go running screaming. I have sub 3" knives like William henry in my pocket at work (office enviornent) but to be honest when I have to head out into the lot and remove the occsional rope or string it is hard to hold onto. It has got to the point now that I just carry a Strider PT in my pocket use it and then hide it again. Just goes to show what we have to do in order to carry a basic tool around so people will except it. If it is pretty its pc/freindly. If it big and black is has to be bad.

Sad but true reality we live in.
 
Wolfjohn said:
Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!!
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That's the kind of ending I was hoping for :thumbup:

I read the first 3 pages and skimmed my way to the end here. I'm very shocked at some peoples reactions to giving a grandchild a his/her first knife :grumpy:

I've owned knives since I started scouting around 5-6 years old. I was always given "allowance" for scouting trips where my mom knew I would be buying a knife (cheap $10 stuff which seemed like a sebenza at the time :D). I learned from scouting how to use a knife, make sure people are at least an arms length away before whittling or using your knife, always cut away from yourself, etc.....I never realized how lucky my group of friends were to be raised with this plethora of information.

I believe that giving a grandchild/son/friend a knife is a very special moment. I also strongly think that the father should have sucked it up, said "wow, what a gift," and then spoke in private about the situation.

Something like a gun would merit a friendly conversation beforehand, but as for a first knife, I don't see what the big stink is.
 
Indeed, a happy ending to a disturbing story. A woman who approaches the subject of knives with calmness and good sense gets my respect and admiration. Applause!
 
Wolfjohn said:
******************UPDATE*********************

I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.

Thought I'd share this since this post got a lot of attention....not trying to fuel up anything here but I thought you'd like to hear the END OF THE STORY.

Yes....I'm beginning to think there's a real point to the fact that some women should have more to do in the say-so of the family in certain relationships/situations than the currently have and, well.....here's one of them in my opinion. Good job sis....
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Sounds like Mom's got a set... Nice.
 
mnyshrpknvs said:
I'll agree there!:thumbup: I would like to see an interview with that guy that carried a baby to term. I'm sure a whole newfound respect for women was "EXPERIENCED" and "LEARNED" on his part!;)
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That "guy" was actually a transgendered female who was inseminated and "delivered" by Caesarian, so it's not the miracle that people made it out to be.

Thought you'd like to know.

And she's pregnant again, btw.


WolfJohn said:
I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.

Thought I'd share this since this post got a lot of attention....not trying to fuel up anything here but I thought you'd like to hear the END OF THE STORY.

Yes....I'm beginning to think there's a real point to the fact that some women should have more to do in the say-so of the family in certain relationships/situations than the currently have and, well.....here's one of them in my opinion. Good job sis....
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That's always a positive and constructive way to handle a situation...yep, good job sis...:rolleyes:
 
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I have enjoyed following this thread. It made me think about my own knife history and how I will handle my son's (he is 15 months- hands are still a bit small). Most of the obvious and good points have already been made, but I like to add my 2cents.

Knives are tools. Sometimes they are weapons. If you had given your Grandson a clawhammer, Dad might have been OK with it, but that too, can be misused as a weapon. It seems your son-in law needs to be reminded that our species would not be around if we didn't figure out how to cut stuff. It is sad to think of all the skills we have lost as new (not better) technology comes along, all in the name of convenience. The majority of people can't make fire without a Bic.

I think some of the problems our society has with youth and crime stems from the fact that we are not teaching our own kids. Kids are watching too much TV, and learning from a media that is driven by ratings and advertising. One of the best parts of being a Grandfather is to pass on knowledge and responsibility.
 
Wolfjohn said:
******************UPDATE*********************

I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.

Thought I'd share this since this post got a lot of attention....not trying to fuel up anything here but I thought you'd like to hear the END OF THE STORY.

Yes....I'm beginning to think there's a real point to the fact that some women should have more to do in the say-so of the family in certain relationships/situations than the currently have and, well.....here's one of them in my opinion. Good job sis....
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:thumbup::thumbup: Good to hear its looking better for the little guy.
 
Interesting reading, glad it's largely stayed on topic and civil for so long.

Seems to me that there's two issues at play here.

1. should the kid actually have a knife?
2. should the father have reacted such?

As for #1, really, only the parents should be the ones to decide this. If the father didn't want his son to have it, and the mother did...well that's between a married couple and god knows there's never been a disagreement between husband and wife with regard to raising kids...:rolleyes: The parents know the maturity of the child best, they know what he can and cannot handle, they know what he deserves, they know what he's earned and what he has not earned. They are the final decision makers.

As for #2, we weren't there and don't have the full details, but, it seems as if it really could have been handled better by all the adults out of the earshot of the kid. The grandfather should have asked his son if it was ok to give the grandson a knife, if the father said "no", then the grandfather should have respected his wishes. The parents are the ultimate decision makers for the children, not the grandparents. BUT, the father would have been well to take any advice the grandfather could offer into account before making a "no" decision, but the final decision does lie with the parents, and if they disagree, see #1 above.

As a father of two young daughters, I'll have no problem if they want to carry a knife, they see mine all the time (I am the package opener, the splinter getter, the nail clipper, the hangnail getter, the tag cutter, the pony tail undoer, and the general go to guy for anything that needs cutting), however, there will be strict rules, like with anything they are permitted to do. They're still young so I won't have to cross that bridge for a while. (Gun debate won't even happen - it's Canada).

A knife from a grandfather or father can be a very special thing for a young boy/girl, but it must be handled properly and only with the best interests of the child at heart. Teaching the kid properly whenever a knife is given, is a no brainer.
 
I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.
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This is terrible news.

First, the kid was given knives by fellow classmates, and the kid actually brought them home....this shows that the kid has zero respect for his own father.
And then the mother rewards the kid's disrespect by verbally castrating the dad.

The dad should have taken the knives from his son and then punished his son for disobeying his father's wishes.
And he should tell his wife not to over-ride his decisions again.

Alot of you guys have talked about how weak men are in today's society, yet some of you didn't mind that the man of the house was totally disrespected by his wife and kid.
Whether you agree with the dad or not, his decision should have been final.
 
Wolfjohn said:
******************UPDATE*********************

I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.

Thought I'd share this since this post got a lot of attention....not trying to fuel up anything here but I thought you'd like to hear the END OF THE STORY.

Yes....I'm beginning to think there's a real point to the fact that some women should have more to do in the say-so of the family in certain relationships/situations than the currently have and, well.....here's one of them in my opinion. Good job sis....
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Wicked good news..:D:thumbup:

as for the girly man comment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKcevMFUCo
 
Wolfjohn said:
******************UPDATE*********************

I was told that Grandson came home from school yesterday with not ONE but, TWO pocket knives in his pocket. Apparently he told his plight to his pals in school and they ponied up and gave him a couple. Grandpa was about to get a call and a rash of shit from the boys Dad over that "Because" he's the one who started it. Boys mom stepped in said "ENOUGH!" and told Daddy to pipe down and if he wouldn't teach their son the proper use of a knife - she would!!!!! His daughter (the mother) grew up in a house of hunters and carpenters and probably knew more than her hubby will ever know about it anyhow. Needless to say, Grandpa was grinning ear to ear telling me allll about this one this morning.

Thought I'd share this since this post got a lot of attention....not trying to fuel up anything here but I thought you'd like to hear the END OF THE STORY.

Yes....I'm beginning to think there's a real point to the fact that some women should have more to do in the say-so of the family in certain relationships/situations than the currently have and, well.....here's one of them in my opinion. Good job sis....
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Great news!!!

Thanks for the update, this one needed a good ending.
 
DelrinFred said:
All I can say, AllanC, is that I am glad that I am not a memeber of your household.
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I just happen to believe that when the head of the household, the father, makes a decision concerning his son, the wife should not openly allow the kid to disregard that decision.

The mother might not realize it, but she's raising her boy to be a wuss.
Our fathers are our first and most lasting role-models for what we will be like once we are husbands and fathers.
If your father was abusive, then there is a greater chance that you will be abusive.
And if you're a wuss and you let your wife "wear the pants" in the family, then your son most likely will grow up to be a wuss too, and find a wife who also "wears the pants" and dominates him.

All the wife did was teach her son that his father is weak and irrelevant.
 
allenC said:
All the wife did was teach her son that his father is weak and irrelevant.
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Maybe he is, there are nowhere near enough details to say that the dad was right either. If the guy is going to openly disrespect the grandfather and have his wife put him in place, I'm not yet seeing any reason to side with him. Really, if the kid is not responsible enough to have a knife, I throw the blame on dear old dad. I was using a backhoe, arc welder, and oxy acetylene torch when I was 12, dad taught me.
 
hardheart said:
I was using a backhoe, arc welder, and oxy acetylene torch when I was 12, dad taught me.
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And if your dad had told you that you weren't ready to use the backhoe when you were 12, would your mother had told him to "pipe down" and let you use it anyway?
 
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