What happened??

most males of our society have been turned into geldings,(i.e.-testicals cut out)(lot's of city folk around the fourms so i thought i should explain) mentally that is, because of the food and water they drink. the soy in your food turn's you into a little girl. do the research! this is why daddy was soooooo offended at a knife. feminization of america has been obvious for quite sometime. iv'e seen it from day one! flouride in the water makes you docile and complacent, again do the research!
granddad was RIGHT!! no one would have stood for little sissy's in my day.
 
Pfft if you think that you've obviously not met my wife. I often think she's tougher than anyone else I've ever met.

Nothing wrong with someone being a woman. Some woman are tougher than a lot of men.

Besides, there's no flouride in the water here. Calcium maybe but no flouride, only place to get that is at the dentists.
 
This is a funny thread. Many here post how society is to blame with parents not doing a decent job parenting, but because the father has made a decision against what all of us here enjoy(knives), he's wrong. I don't agree with his decision, but at least he's made one. I also wonder how many here who feel the dad is wrong are actually a parent themself? As a parent, my wife and I decide what's up when my son is involved. Period. For example, my brother is a big Harley guy and has stated many times how he's gonna take my 9yo on his bike. I'm not a rider and to be totally honest, I've scraped too many riders off the highway to have any interest in them. In turn, I've made it very, very clear that my son won't be on the back of the bike and if I ever find out otherwise, there will be trouble. Do I want to have problems with my brother? Absolutely not. For starters, he's got at 30lbs on me and was a hockey enforcer in his junior days...:D. But more importantly, he needs to know I can't be underminded with regards to my decisions concerning my son. And as it has been already stated, we don't know enough about the situation to make a fully informed opinion, but all things being equal, the dad has final say.
 
Flipe8,
Being a father with two boys, I agree with your situation but the original post is a different situation.
Knives are a traditional rite of passage of sorts, a tool which builds skills that will help your son or daughter be self reliant. Motorcycles, while fun, do not build any unique skill sets that I know of and is not something that is as deeply rooted as the knife/gun. Even if you were trying to teach automotive mechanics maintenance skills, that could be done with another vehicle or to a lesser degree, a bicycle or allowing them to drive and maintain a tractor.
 
Everyone wants to believe that their kid is different from other kids.
Everyone wants to believe that since they have taught their kid how to safely handle weapons and tools, that their kid will always be safe.
Everyone wants to believe that their kid will not make stupid decisions.

But everyday, at the hospital ER where I work, I X-ray kids of all ages who have injured themselves, or who have been injured by another kid, with weapons, tools, etc....

It's not usually bad parenting that leads to such injury and accidents....kids are just going to be kids.
And making stupid mistakes is part of growing up and learning.
Nothing teaches like experience....actually making poor decisions, and suffering the consequences, are the lessons you never forget.

How many on this forum have never cut themselves with a knife?

I know I have.

If you trust your kid with a knife, just know that eventually he's going to cut himself (or another kid) with it.
Hopefully it will just be a nick on the finger.


As for whether the father was right or not....

Again, we just don't have enough information to make that call.
Was he disrespectful to the grandfather?
Maybe, and maybe not.
Was the grandfather disrespectful of the father by giving the boy a knife without the father's permission?
IMO, yes.
 
Everyone wants to believe that their kid is different from other kids.
Everyone wants to believe that since they have taught their kid how to safely handle weapons and tools, that their kid will always be safe.
Everyone wants to believe that their kid will not make stupid decisions.

But everyday, at the hospital ER where I work, I X-ray kids of all ages who have injured themselves, or who have been injured by another kid, with weapons, tools, etc....
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Yet also everyday there are plenty of kids you don't treat , and plenty of adults that you do. Each kid is different , learns different , matures differently , it is up to the parent to determine when/if the kid is responsible enough.

It's not usually bad parenting that leads to such injury and accidents....kids are just going to be kids.
And making stupid mistakes is part of growing up and learning.
Nothing teaches like experience....actually making poor decisions, and suffering the consequences, are the lessons you never forget.
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Well said !
In my opinion , what is screwing up the next generations , is overly protective parents who shield their kids from anything and everything , never allowing them to make the same mistakes we all did. Yet they let them sit there for hours and watch TV and video game , and so they percieve firearms , knives and other items in a different light.
Never sensing these things first hand , only knowing by what they see on tv and the pc , they never get to learn reality , only perception.

( for the record , I am a parent with 3 sons from ages 6 - going on 16 ).

With everything there are risks , the goal should be to educate and reinforce positive behavior , accidents can happen ( be it child or adult , or adults acting like children ) , hopefully thru educating and positive reinforcements , those accidents can be less likely and less damaging.

Put safety back in the mind , and less on the object , and regardless of age , everyone will be better off.
 
LX_Emergency said:
Pfft if you think that you've obviously not met my wife. I often think she's tougher than anyone else I've ever met.

Nothing wrong with someone being a woman. Some woman are tougher than a lot of men.

Besides, there's no flouride in the water here. Calcium maybe but no flouride, only place to get that is at the dentists.
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Yep!:thumbup: I agree 100%. Just look at what it takes to have a baby! 99% of the men I know, myself included, wine when they have a cold. To them its the end of the world.;)

Again, its learning that shapes us. Common sense is learned through experiences and beliefs are learned from others. When you live like a puppet, unable to experience things, common sense struggles to grow and mature. All that is left is a FOLLOWER!:barf:
 
Just look at what it takes to have a baby!
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if men could give birth , kids would be rarer than hens teeth. The first guy would have had one , came on here to inform us all of the pain, and we would have a thread 1,567,900 pages long in the GB&U about NOT HAVING anymore.

;)
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
if men could give birth , kids would be rarer than hens teeth. The first guy would have had one , came on here to inform us all of the pain, and we would have a thread 1,567,900 pages long in the GB&U about NOT HAVING anymore.

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I'll agree there!:thumbup: I would like to see an interview with that guy that carried a baby to term. I'm sure a whole newfound respect for women was "EXPERIENCED" and "LEARNED" on his part!;)
 
People don't have a spine anymore, that is the problem.
I wouldn't have flinched if he said the mother got PMS over it -- mommies are wont to do such things. But when dad goes PMS over a knife? Sorry, girly-man.


If you're a girly-man, or close to it, don't read the rest of this post.




Seriously.




OK, you were warned.

Quite simply, men should be ashamed of themselves these days. They treat their sons like daughters, bow down to women like spineless jellyfish.

I got an old Case jackknife when I was 4. I got a BB gun when I was 5. I got a .22 when I was 6. I got a Cub Scout knife, whenever I earned it, I don't remember. I "became a man" and got my Buck 110 (simply known as The Buck Knife to us back then) at 10. Got a 12 ga at 12. Got a Boy Scout knife, don't remember that either, I never carried it after getting the Buck. Got a centerfire rifle (Marlin 1895) at 16.

My mother had a hissy fit at each one. My father told her to shut up, his son wasn't going to grow up to be no Nancy boy.

I carried a knife from when I was 4 until today. To school, to church, to college, to work. Never stabbed anyone. When we got into fights, most of us had knives -- often The Buck Knife on our hips -- and never thought of using them. Why? probably because they weren't some kind of taboo to us, we knew what they were for and knew people on TV shows were stupid.

We even carried rifles (.22s) to school in grade school -- on the bus -- and kept them in the Principal's office so we could go to practice after school. No one shot anyone else, even accidentally.

Here's where you'll really have an infarction: I grew up in Connecticut and Massachusetts, and I'm only 36. It wasn't that long ago that men had spines.
 
mnyshrpknvs said:
I'll agree there!:thumbup: I would like to see an interview with that guy that carried a baby to term. I'm sure a whole newfound respect for women was "EXPERIENCED" and "LEARNED" on his part!;)
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FYI, that was really a female who was living as a man and was on testosterone. She may have lacked breasts but still had all the original (indoor) plumbing.
 
milani74,
I think you're missing my point. It's about the right to parent without anyone else other than the other parentactively taking part in that without being asked to. I take and ask for plenty of advice from my parents, but my dad still runs things by me first when it comes to my son. To me, it's about mutual respect. For what it's worth,rites of passage aren't something I put much wieght in these days, unless we want to talk about true rites of passage from childhood to manhood-like in in tribal cultures. If you're getting tribal tattoos or taking part in some tribal whipping competitions to move from being a boy to a man, I'll give you that. At best, I see carrying pocket knife in the way you describe as more of a tradition. If you're using that same knife to clean your first kill, I'll give you that as a rite.But I think too many place too much in the symbollic meaning of getting a knife in our modern society.
FYI, I've given my son and 2 nephews SAKs for their baptisms, but both fathers of my nephews were asked first.
 
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When I was in Iraq, we were told the same thing about the AK. If you are a male and don't own an AK, you aren't a man.
 
Times are changing. We live in a country now where people are willing to give up their freedom for safety. They are willing to leave their children unprepared rather than pull theselve's away from American Idol and actually teach them something. Never before have I seen a generation of such panicie petes. My sisters treat their children like they cannot do for themselves. And they have such a strange line of where they feel their children are in danger. They'll let them play football cause that's what everyone else does... but a pocket knife is the devil. And I'ver personally seen boys get bad injuries in football... I dealt a few of them out. But because parents are allowing M-TV and Nintendo to raise their children because they're too busy... it's actually best that they are over protective... cause these kids will lose it sometimes and take a pistol to school and shoot someone else's kids. And most of it is because our courts have all but done away with the good old fashioned ass whippin.
 
My 6 year old grandson owns a sword which I gave him. It hangs on the wall in my office and when he wants to hold it he asks me and we find a place where he can wield it for a few minutes. It's just a $15 Three Musketeers sword that I received by accident and couldn't return so it has just been a minor 'wall hanger' since then. He is six and wants to whack everything with the sword, he wants to whack everything with whatever he is holding, what a boy. I wouldn't send it home with him even though I haven't gotten any negative input from his parents, the sword is my responsibility. I gave my one year old grandson a $700 fighting knife for his birthday, just and investment, I'm sure his dad checks it out but I have no Idea my grandson will ever put his hands on it until he is 18 years old. I have found out lately about how funny people are about knives, big or small. I should stop being surprised but I don't.
 
My grandparents on both sides of the family bought the first guns and knives for all of the grandsons. My parents were pro gun and pro knife as if there was really any such thing back in the early 50's. That said, I always check with the granddads parents before I give the kids anything like that. My sons X has my grand kids and she is kinda anti everything except church. It is my sons fault that he didn't speak up for his share of time with the kids.

Believe me, I share most of your thoughts on the sheeple.:mad: They are out to give away the things our enemies could never take by force.
 
cplpunishment-perfect. don't offend the yuppies,though they might piss their pants!!
steeljunky- times are changing because of the thought process you seen to adhere to.
stand strong do not consent!!
 
skimmerhorn said:
most males of our society have been turned into geldings,mentally that is, because of the food and water they drink.
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Absolute bull.
It has to do with a society which has become "hands off" from much of reality, media vilification of knives and guns(associating them with homicidal weirdos), and politicians who pass idiotic laws.
The food and water is fine. Don't buy into the conspiracy.
I've been drinking the flouride in the water pretty much my whole life. I believe in the right to self defense, shoot competitively, and always have a knife on me. My brain has not rotted, as continually being on the honour roll at university shows.
I don't eat or dring soy, but that's because I eat lots of meat and poultry, and drink milk, so I have no need for it.
 
I don't care about knives, guns or wrenches in and of themselves.

I do think everyone (man *and* woman) ought to be able to splint a broken bone, dress an animal, replace a cam or crankshaft, deliver a baby, grow a tomato, start a fire and collect rainwater, among other things. To do these things...you need...mentors...friends...knowledge and experience...tools...

But "we" want it all done for us. The only tool we're going to need soon is (pardon me) a nipple.
 
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