What is general opinion about CRK " Green Beret " knives?

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Sharp Phil said:
Yes, actually, they are -- because he tries to draw firm conclusions from them that are not warranted.
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Let me get this straight, since he, or anyone else for that matter, draws conclusions from them, they are therefore less scientific :confused:

Phil, I think you need a little sharpening :D
 
elkins45 said:
There's a distinction between the tests themselves and what is extrapolated from the results. Any statistician will tell you that you can't infer much from a sample size of one.

Performing the tests and drawing conclusions from them are two entirely different things. I can make that distinction even if the guy performing them cannot.
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That's a meaningless distinction. He performs ridiculous stunts and then attempts to draw factual conclusions from those stunts that are completely unwarranted, all while redefining, for anyone ignorant enough not to know better, the baseline expectations for a knife's performance. Gross abuse isn't a testing benchmark; it's simple stupidity.

theonew said:
Let me get this straight, since he, or anyone else for that matter, draws conclusions from them, they are therefore less scientific :confused:

Phil, I think you need a little sharpening :D
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And I think you need to stop trolling this thread. When one draws absurd and unwarranted conclusions from one's "tests," they do indeed become somehow worse than "any other test" performed by a knife user.
 
Sharp Phil said:
When one draws absurd and unwarranted conclusions from one's "tests," they do indeed become somehow worse than "any other test" performed by a knife user.
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Phil, seems like your strong emotions here are messing with your logic. "Somehow worse" is very subjective compared to less scientific, as you originally claimed.

As far as trolling goes, so far you are the only one in this thread using caustic and insulting terminology.
 
Sharp Phil said:
That's a meaningless distinction. He performs ridiculous stunts and then attempts to draw factual conclusions from those stunts that are completely unwarranted, all while redefining, for anyone ignorant enough not to know better, the baseline expectations for a knife's performance. Gross abuse isn't a testing benchmark; it's simple stupidity.
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It's a perfectly valid distinction because I'm not consuming them for the sake of learning. It's entertainment for me, and if the ignorant make invalid conclusions based on watching his videos then that's their fault, not his. Caveat emptor and all that.

People are allowed to have whatever set of expectations for knife performance they desire, just like for cars or anything else. What is unrealistic for you may well be baseline for others. Realism has little to do with the kind of discussions that zealots have about their hobbies. Personally, based on your comments I've read in other threads I think you care about this way too much. Life is too short to get worked up over stuff like this, especially since knives are hobbies for most of us and not our vocation. I already take pills for my blood pressure: the last thing I need is something on the internet to stroke me out.;)

People who make decisions about expensive knife purchases based upon a guy in a hockey mask swinging a hammer probably also crave knives made from genuine surgical steel. Internet videos aren't a reliable source of information anymore than Wikipedia is a peer-reviewed reference work. People who aren't discriminating consumers of information are going to get burned regardless: does it matter if it's because of a video or because of a shiny picture in the Bud K catalog? Burned is burned.
 
Noss tests are not scientific, but i must admit I lose interest in knives that break fairly easily. Not that I plan on using my knives to hammer through metal pipes anytime soon.

I have to admit they are kind of enjoyable to watch and maybe they do change my buying habits a little. However, I think most people dont even use a lot of their knives and pretend they do as well. Each to their own and I think anyone can make conclusions about tests if they want to or not. If i got a knife and it broke from minor work I would not buy the knife again. Is it a scientific test? no. But i made a conclusion that the knife is crap. Is it fair? maybe, maybe not.

To the OP, if you like the knife, I say get it. Im sure it would likely meet your expectations and it would likely be a great companion. GL:)
 
I watch them, even though I know that they are not scientific in any way.

I find them amusing (though admittedly long winded). I think there should be plenty of room here on this internet for both camps.







Also, while the CRK GB is a beautiful knife, I will not be buying one anytime soon...and that isnt because I plan on smacking any of my knives with a hammer. (Though apparently I could)
 
theonew said:
Phil, seems like your strong emotions here are messing with your logic. "Somehow worse" is very subjective compared to less scientific, as you originally claimed.

As far as trolling goes, so far you are the only one in this thread using caustic and insulting terminology.
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Seems like your professed dislike of me is messing with your ability to contribute substantively to this thread. You've made a personal insult with each and every one of your posts. Grow up.

elkins45 said:
It's a perfectly valid distinction because I'm not consuming them for the sake of learning. It's entertainment for me, and if the ignorant make invalid conclusions based on watching his videos then that's their fault, not his. Caveat emptor and all that.
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It doesn't matter what you're doing with them; it matters what he's trying to accomplish with them. The conclusions the ignorant viewer makes are the conclusions he's trying to persuade them to accept; he is therefore responsible for the content and for the foolishness he is foisting on those who do not know any better.

Thalestin said:
Noss tests are not scientific, but i must admit I lose interest in knives that break fairly easily. Not that I plan on using my knives to hammer through metal pipes anytime soon.
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And that is EXACTLY my point. These are not knives that "break fairly easily." These are knives that, like most any knife, will break when subjected to gross abuse. These ridiculous "tests" (promulgated by someone who hides his identity because he refuses to take responsibility for their content) are an attempt to redefine the benchmark of what "breaking fairly easily" is supposed to mean.
 
The Noss tests are the "Crash Test Dummy" test for the knife world. The worst possible situation. In your car your not out driving head on into walls everyday. There is the possibility that normal everyday use of this knife will give you a life time of usage. But all any of you want to work with is one knife being put through one test. I just acquired a CRK GB 7" and plan to use it as I do all my knives. When ever I can doing what ever is needed. A few folks posting those results would be a bit more useful. IMO!
 
Cabala - here is a good review of the CRK Green Beret...Unfortunately it became locked due to trolling from the notorious thread. Rotte did a great job on this one!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608769&highlight=Green+beret

Folks - please remember that Cabala asked for opinions about the Green Beret, not about the merits of knifetests.com. How about we try to keep this thread from getting locked and show that we as a community can get beyond a tired argument???




Purty please???
 
Sharp Phil said:
Seems like your professed dislike of me is messing with your ability to contribute substantively to this thread. You've made a personal insult with each and every one of your posts. Grow up.
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Not at all, I've been pointing out obvious trollish behavior and logical incongruities. After all, I haven't called anyone "ignorant" yet...

Sharp Phil said:
These ridiculous "tests" (promulgated by someone who hides his identity because he refuses to take responsibility for their content) are an attempt to redefine the benchmark of what "breaking fairly easily" is supposed to mean.
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Ok so your point is that these tests are some form of blasphemy :confused: Can you please define the accepted dogma then?
 
You can conduct yourself like an adult, stop trolling this thread, and in return expect reasoned replies to your questions, or you can continue behaving like a child and be ignored. Those are the choices.
 
cabala said:
I would like to buy this knife and need much more second opinions i can get.
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I have handled the knife, in the 5.5" blade size, but don't own one. It felt very substantial and had impeccable fit and finish. Here is a link to a review of the 7" bladed version: http://cutleryscience.com/reviews/green_beret.html

Sharp Phil said:
And I think you need to stop trolling this thread.
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Hypocrisy at its finest! Let's examine Phil's first post in this thread:
Sharp Phil said:
Yes, by all means, let us encourage that ignorant nonsense further.
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Does it address the OP's question? No, it doesn't. What's the definition of trolling again?

Now, I'm quite sure at least one of the following false accustations will follow my post:
1) trolling
2) personal attacks
3) personal dislike
4) projecting emotions

The fact is, I'm pointing out hypocrisy, plain and simple.;)

Regards,
3G
 
Sharp Phil said:
You can conduct yourself like an adult, stop trolling this thread, and in return expect reasoned replies to your questions, or you can continue behaving like a child and be ignored. Those are the choices.
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You're making personal attacks, Phil. If the issue has become that personal to you, you may want to wait a while before you post, lest you end up violating BladeForums policy and getting in trouble.;)

Regards,
3G
 
AbnInfantry said:
Really?

Since 23 August 2002, a serialized version of the CRK Green Beret (referred to in SF as the Yarborough, after LTG William P. Yarborough, former commander of the U.S. Army Center for Special Warfare and who played a key role in getting JFK to authorize wear of green berets as official headgear for SF personnel in 1961) has been presented to graduates of the Army's Special Forces Qualification Course. When did the Navy start issuing a CRK Green Beret to graduates of BUD/S?
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oops, sorry. musta had seal/buds on the brain from the discovery channel.

no disrespect intended, ill make the correction.
 
1kimo4u said:
i believe the neil roberts knife is given to seals. the gb is given to special forces. when i was in force recon (85-91), we bought what we wanted!:cool: the kabar issue was lacking.:grumpy:

ps- i got the neil roberts too!:D

pss- i got the pacific also!:D

cheers!
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i fixed my post.

sorry Army folks.
 
theres better for the money. just get a ka bar usmc first to get a feel for the ~7 inch semi serrated blade pattern first. ive found that i dont like that build much at all. but if youre going to shell out $200+ bucks for a knife, i say go custom
 
These threads always have the same crap in them. Green Beret blah blah blah Noss blah blah blah blah. Somebody please close this stupid thread.
 
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