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Unblocked the OP momentarily just to see what trash he is still spewing and came across this gem from him: "are these original designs or copies because I'm trying to avoid copies".

He says, as he continues to scan the Aliexpress website......

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
craytab said:
What was your screen name when you were here previously?

I find it very strange that you care so little about literally everything else in this hobby, yet you don't want an obvious counterfeit. Makes no sense unless you are here just to...

So with that, buy your cloner trash knives and go away. You know what we think of them and you now, I doubt you'll last much longer if you keep this up.
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I don't think I was here previously, but it's possible. I go in and out of knife collecting very infrequently and with large gaps between, with a significantly higher focus on watches and guns.

I find it very strange to think that there's anything more to this hobby than buying knives one likes while trying to insure that what they are buying isn't fraudulent.

So with that I will enjoy my hobby the way I want and continue to attempt to avoid fakes. So crazy to me that this would be something people consider so evil. Odd place and people for sure.
 
Hashishiin said:
The problem is, you want the real and the good from those who make fakes; what do you value in a knife besides knowing it isn't a fake Benchmade or whatever? Not the steel, no talk of blade design. Yeah, we get every brand on there may be a replica, but... they're still glad to lie on everything aboot those.

John-Jacob-Jinglehieimer-Schmitt-sounding-ahh
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You people have major issues with compartmentalization. I can separate the two issues. I can have "the real" from those who you claim make fakes, but certainly, provenly, previously did at one point.

Wow, so all this ridicule and attacking and just now you finally ask some questions of me, only to end it on more ad hominem attacks.

Regardless i will answer your question. Of course I care about blade shape, grind angle, steel material, scale shape and material, etc. I've posted about those things here in other threads, but nobody bothers with that. They would rather assume that from just 3 threads I must be pure evil and Satan spawn. Truly amazing to witness. Then again you don't really care about that or about my thoughts on that. You've made up your mind who and what I am, you've demonized me to the point of no return or redemption and frankly, in happy to take and carry that baton.i have zero desire to talk to people like you, but don't confuse the fact that I will absolutely defend myself from you and your attacks. 100%
 
Hashishiin said:
Because the STEEL is fake - you and I can agree on that?
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Nope, and if you read some of my posts you'd know I've already looked into this. A YouTuber I follow has had testing done on these by a metallurgist with one of those metal xray guns. They literally examine the exact alloy composite and percentages and test hardness. It's truly awesome he shows complete graphs of data taken from them. LuvThemKnives. I'm a huge fan. He's who I've put my trust in and maybe I'll find that he's a paid doop. Who knows. But it's my money and investment to take that gamble.

I know I shouldn't bother with your people any more, but I'm trying to find that common ground somehow. I like to believe that purple can be rational and decent, even if they don't act it. Of course you'll laugh at that from your high horse and inability to have any retrospect. That's cool too though bruh. Eventually I'll just figure out how to block all the haters and only engage with those with open minds and decency.
 
craytab said:
Why do you want to avoid counterfeits but not known counterfeit makers?
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First, thank you for asking instead of assuming and throwing attacks. It means a lot to me.

So, I've said this a couple times but am happy to try and make my stance clear. I only care about what I own. It's the line I've drawn. Might it cross other's lines? Absolutely! But it's mine nonetheless. I don't care about what else this seller might sell or the producer might produce. I only care about what I carry in my pocket, put on my wrist, and shoot in my hands. I only want original design items, or, rather, i only want products that aren't counterfeit. Being inspired by other products is common and fine. Cloning I'm not happy with either, but I accept other's doing, I just won't do myself.

Hope that helps clarify, though I'm sure I'm still crossing your line. In the end we just all have to agree to disagree and move on and cut the virtue signaling and attacking. I basically draw my line where the law does. I think that's the simplest way to put it.
 
JayDeep, I wonder if an analogy might help clarify what seems to be at issue here.

Suppose that Smith usually buys groceries from Store 1. The products purchased are all legit, but Store 1 is a front for a shady organization that also sells drugs from the business, the profits from the the legit sales at least partially support the illegal activities, and Smith is aware that this is probably the case.

Jones gets his groceries from Store 2. Products are likewise legit, and no shady goings on in the background.

On the face of it, I think most people would say Smith is on shakier ground from an ethical point of view, even though the products he buys are every bit as legit as the products Jones buys.

Based on what you’ve said so far, it seems like you’d want to say that Smith is doing nothing questionable at all by shopping at Store 1.

But that seems incorrect.
 
If a person slaps another person, is only the hand guilty, or the whole person?

This is sorta in tune to why many don't like companies that make fakes. And don't support them when they make "original" designs afterwards.

You can draw a hard line, that's totally fine. As can I. And remember, you posted here asking for dialogue. You got it, just not in the way you wanted. You are just not gonna find much shared love for those products.
 
I don’t see how you could have any pride of ownership in a knife made by a completely unknown company in China.
 
I believe JayDeep was booted from this thread some time a few hrs ago..................
 
GunnersFan said:
JayDeep, I wonder if an analogy might help clarify what seems to be at issue here.

Suppose that Smith usually buys groceries from Store 1. The products purchased are all legit, but Store 1 is a front for a shady organization that also sells drugs from the business, the profits from the the legit sales at least partially support the illegal activities, and Smith is aware that this is probably the case.

Jones gets his groceries from Store 2. Products are likewise legit, and no shady goings on in the background.

On the face of it, I think most people would say Smith is on shakier ground from an ethical point of view, even though the products he buys are every bit as legit as the products Jones buys.

Based on what you’ve said so far, it seems like you’d want to say that Smith is doing nothing questionable at all by shopping at Store 1.

But that seems incorrect.
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That's a very close analysis I would say, except you're not being quite specific enough. I've found a couple of knives that I find "to die for", visually speaking. Now for me, I cannot and will not speak for others, the aesthetics matter the most in my purchases of pretty much everything. A knife can just be a knife, but then I only need one and it would probably just be a revolving for of cheap SAKs. But for collectors, I would think (because it is for me as I've just said) that after the first few maybe, it's about the looks. I like just taking them out of my pocket and looking at them and fidgeting with them; playing with them.

Now apply that to the grocery store analogy. As I've said, I know that this particular store or product I'm buying is legit. I'm pretty sure that other business ventures they're involved in are not so up and up. However this store has a very specific product that I want and that I haven't found elsewhere at any other store. However, a handful of people on a website are telling me that I'm evil to have the taste I have and shouldn't shop at this store or buy this particular product and instead I should just go find something I don't want as much, or at all, and just buy it at that store instead.

Now that's a spot on analysis of this entire situation.
 
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betzner said:
I believe JayDeep was booted from this thread some time a few hrs ago..................
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Not yet and not sure why I would be. Unlike the rest I've not attacked anyone. I've only defended myself. I've not broken any rules and, in fact, all I've done is attempt to avoid doing so because that's not who I am. Why you lot want to try and incorrectly shove me into that box anyway is beyond me. But here we are.
 
MolokaiRider said:
If a person slaps another person, is only the hand guilty, or the whole person?

This is sorta in tune to why many don't like companies that make fakes. And don't support them when they make "original" designs afterwards.

You can draw a hard line, that's totally fine. As can I. And remember, you posted here asking for dialogue. You got it, just not in the way you wanted. You are just not gonna find much shared love for those products.
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Well you're definitely mischaracterizing what has transpired here and what my original post was asking for. But either way, I'm all good. No harm no foul on my end.
 
JayDeep said:
I don't care about what else this seller might sell or the producer might produce. I only care about what I carry in my pocket, put on my wrist, and shoot in my hands. I only want original design items, or, rather, i only want products that aren't counterfeit. Being inspired by other products is common and fine. Cloning I'm not happy with either, but I accept other's doing, I just won't do myself.

I basically draw my line where the law does. I think that's the simplest way to put it.
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This rationale will lead to doing business with human traffickers because all you’re buying is a ham sandwich, and damn, it’s good for the price.

When you hear the stories from folks like Sal Glesser at Spyderco how clones almost ruined them, you realize how tenuous our homegrown, original knife market is.

You may intend to buy an original model, but your silver goes into the same coffer that funds clones and counterfeits. You can’t purchase in a void.

I’ll be the first to agree the King Kong knife looks intriguing, but I bet the smart folks here can find alternatives of known origin that might scratch the knife itch.

Have you looked at Three Rivers Manufacturing? Tactile Knife Co? The Hogue Ritter? There are so many better choices that you can pursue that won’t hurt the health of the industry in general.

Oh, and XRF guns are only approximate. To accurately determine alloy distribution, it requires destructive testing. LTK assumes too much from a method that the scientific community considers pass/fail at best. The guns are used to validate items of known composition, not to quantify unknown materials.

I hope you’ll consider the broader impact of your spending.
 
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