What is with A.G. Russel?

http://www.cuttingedge.com/products/klsp85001_mad_dog_atak

The attached is NOT a Mad Dog ATAK. AG has been notified of this publicly.

If you wish to read the direct text of AG's notification of this forgery and his immediate and hostile response to this notification, you will need to go to www.tacticalforums.com, which is Mad Dog's site.

I'm sure that the linking will earn me a demerit or infraction or whatever they are called, but so what? AG Russell still is holding this out over a year after he was notified that this is NOT what he claims and so notified publicly.

Incidentally, I have also called the Cutting Edge when this was initially listed for $2495 or so and told them categorically it is not an ATAK and no concern was shown by the person on the phone.

Mr. Parker, the knife was initally listed for $10,000 and my position was made clear, it was sold to my customer, shipped unmarked, returned, marked as shown and then denied. You may choose to believe who you will, I belive a long time collector, customer of mine.

The knife is now at a third of the original price I placed on it, it was placed there to put a stink in McClung's nostrils for the way he had treated the customer. Someone will buy it some day at some price

I am sorry that this has sullied an otherwise wonderful thread. I am sure that no one thought that I could be in this business for 45 years without having disagreements of some kind.

If someone will show me that I am mistaken I will apoligize publicly and often.
 
Did your good customer of thirty years tell you he got the knife from a fellow named (at the time) Scott Fowler, who described himself as Kevin McClung's partner or former partner? If he didn't mention who he got it from why don't you ask him ?

I'd really hate to see you put yourself in an embarrassing position.
 
Did your good customer of thirty years tell you he got the knife from a fellow named (at the time) Scott Fowler, who described himself as Kevin McClung's partner or former partner? If he didn't mention who he got it from why don't you ask him ?

I'd really hate to see you put yourself in an embarrassing position.

No sir, he told me he bought it from Kevin McClung. that he sent it to Kevin to be marked and that years later Kevin denied having marked it.

I do not know anything about partners or former partners. However if a partner did it it is the same as Kevin doing it, no?

You sound knowledgeable, would you like to see the knife?

Cougar, send me your email address to agr@agr3.com and we can take off line. If you are a friend of Kevin's you can help settle this A. G.

If my customer is wrong, perhaps old and confused, we should know. He did not sound like it and Kevin sounded like an arrogant twit, offed to authenticate the knife for $1,000.
 
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strange scenario.

as i said earlier, i know next to nothing about mad dog knives or kevin mclung.

i will, however, take mr. russell at his word.
 
No sir, he told me he bought it from Kevin McClung. that he sent it to Kevin to be marked and that years later Kevin denied having marked it.

Hmm ... or to put it in slightly different words, he sent it to "Mad Dog Knives" to be marked, someone there took a vibro-engraver and marked it, and later when Kevin heard the story he denied knowing anything about any such thing ever having happened?

The time period when that happened could be significant.

I do not know anything about partners or former partners. However if a partner did it it is the same as Kevin doing it, no?

A fellow named Scott Fowler, who later changed his name to Allan Blade aka Allen Blade aka Alan Blade (he changes the spelling back and forth at random), was once an employee of Kevin's (he claims he was Kevin's partner). Fowler was fired, on unfriendly terms, and left with a lot of stolen property (he claims he took the stuff in lieu of back wages). Seems he'd been stealing from Mad Dog for a long time, long before he was fired. He might have been cheating Mad Dog's customers, too, putting false markings on knives, who knows what.

For a while after Mad Dog fired him he made and sold knives that were clearly influenced by Kevin McClung's style, you might say imitative of Kevin McClung's style, but also clearly different. Not knives that anyone familiar with Mad Dog knives would ever mistake for the real thing. He often claimed they were made by Mad Dog and often tried to pass them off as rare early knives or prototypes made by Mad Dog (in an attempt to explain the differences -- also to jack up the price).

Later he made and sold knives admitting he had made them himself but claiming they were the same as or as good as Mad Dog's knives.

Eventually he developed his own style of knifemaking and swindled people by taking payment for knives he never delivered, giving many inventive excuses to keep the scam going. He disappeared for a while, then he would reappear with stories about why he hadn't delivered all those knives he had been paid for yet and promising to catch up if people would only send him more money for more promises, then he would disappear for another while, and reappear with more stories.... Most recently, having exhausted all possible victims in the United States, he found some new suckers on a knife website in Britain, took their money, gave promises, took more money, gave more promises, and hasn't been seen for quite a while now, but who knows, he could turn up again any time.

You sound knowledgeable, would you like to see the knife?
There are others who know more about Mad Dog knives than I do, Parker for one, but I doubt anybody particularly wants to see the knife in person. It's plain enough from the picture.

I've summarized a years-long career in a few paragraphs. His activities as Allan Blade are well documented here at Bladeforums; he did a lot of his swindling here. Some of us remember him making knives that superficially looked like Mad Dogs and trying to pass them off as Mad Dogs, but that was a long time ago -- before Bladeforums was founded. A lot of those knives are still around, though. They have a distinctive style -- design kinda like Mad Dog's designs, but different materials and very different workmanship.

I wouldn't blame the fellow who sold you the knife. I think he was taken in, just like a lot of other people have been....
 
Posts are crossing. I can't say I'm surprised at Kevin McClung's offering to authenticate it "for $1,000." Kevin "Mad Dog" McClung is quite a fellow....

When Fowler/Blade first showed up at Bladeforums we didn't know whether to believe Mad Dog's story that he was a crook, or his story that he was victimized and slandered by Mad Dog.

Experience showed us Fowler/Blade is a crook. Mad Dog may be quite a fellow, but Fowler/Blade definitely is a crook; we're sure of that much.
 
Posts are crossing. I can't say I'm surprised at Kevin McClung's offering to authenticate it "for $1,000." Kevin "Mad Dog" McClung is quite a fellow....

When Fowler/Blade first showed up at Bladeforums we didn't know whether to believe Mad Dog's story that he was a crook, or his story that he was victimized and slandered by Mad Dog.

Experience showed us Fowler/Blade is a crook. Mad Dog may be quite a fellow, but Fowler/Blade definitely is a crook; we're sure of that much.

There can be no question about him. I must ask, if your employee does your customer wrong, do you simply say screw the customer? Where would this thread be if I had behaved like that over the past 45 years.

You may think that McClung has behaved well, I do not, even if it was Fowler who marked of mis-marked the knife.

It is not my knife, it is a consignment knife, I am just disgusted with the way a knifemaker has treated his customer.
 
And all this is relevant to?

If this is now an issue of character then my vote goes to AG Russell hands down.

But AG, that sure is one butt ugly knife!!! Whoever made it/ordered must have been smoking some truly funky stuff back then to want a green handled knife.

Were there Martian knifeknuts???
 
There can be no question about him. I must ask, if your employee does your customer wrong, do you simply say screw the customer? Where would this thread be if I had behaved like that over the past 45 years.

You may think that McClung has behaved well, I do not, even if it was Fowler who marked of mis-marked the knife.

It is not my knife, it is a consignment knife, I am just disgusted with the way a knifemaker has treated his customer.

i have heard the stuff cougar mentioned a time/2 thru the yrs usually when someone is looking to buy an early collectible mad dog knife which ends up being one of the ones from alan blades (or whatever his real name is lol), and have heard all the stories of theft and copying mad dogs work. alan blades is nothing more imho than a scam artist.

i'm no big fan of kevins (though i have a ATAK2 and do really like the thing i dont know its any better than a busse this or something else that) but i dont see where he is doing the customer wrong if its not his knife seems to me the guy would have an issue with alan blades (or whatever his name is) not kevin, did kevin say he would say it was genuine for $1K or say he would look and see if it was one of his knives for $1K to determine authenticity? i would imagine he could look at a pic and say yes/no but i would say its not a genuine ATAK from my kinda limited knowledge of MD but he would know for sure, but anyway what services did he offer for the $1K? if it is a knife not made by kevin i dont see where he is in the wrong i suppose back in the day if the sale was thru MDK and the guy misrepresented the thing?? i suppose he just found out there was some debate on authenticity? but anyway if its not one of kevins knives i dont know what he could/should do about it, say it is when it isnt??

please explain...............

and let me add i have -0- issues with AG i have done business with them in the past and probably will do it again in the future nothing wrong with them though they arent the cheapest sometimes the cheapest aint the best lol, and i understand when kevin is involved there is always some chance (maybe more than some lol) for drama.
 
If you look for deals on knives by certain makers I have found them with A.G. Russell. I have never waited more than a week to get a knife. The products have been great and I like everything I have bought.
 
i would imagine he could look at a pic and say yes/no but i would say its not a genuine ATAK from my kinda limited knowledge of MD but he would know for sure, but anyway what services did he offer for the $1K? if it is a knife not made by kevin i dont see where he is in the wrong i suppose back in the day if the sale was thru MDK and the guy misrepresented the thing?? i suppose he just found out there was some debate on authenticity? but anyway if its not one of kevins knives i dont know what he could/should do about it, say it is when it isnt??

I think the reason for the $1000.00 fee is that Kevin is angry with both the owner of the knife and A. G. and that's just his way of saying kiss my keister.

Kevin has looked at the photos of the knife and has stated categorically that it's not one of his. Sending him the knife won't change that.

None of this has anything to do with the original poster's complaint, and in my opinion does nothing to negatively affect A. G.'s reputation.
 
You may think that McClung has behaved well
I didn't say that.

it is a consignment knife
That complicates matters, but even if you don't decide to remove the knife from your website you might want to add something to the page explaining that it's a consignment knife and the description is not yours. I don't suppose that would satisfy Mad Dog, but it would be better than just leaving it as it is....

I'm sure it's clear to everyone who's reading this thread that the Cutting Edge has not been knowingly offering a forgery for sale, but some people might see that page without knowing about this thread.
 
I think the reason for the $1000.00 fee is that Kevin is angry with both the owner of the knife and A. G. and that's just his way of saying kiss my keister.

Kevin has looked at the photos of the knife and has stated categorically that it's not one of his. Sending him the knife won't change that.

None of this has anything to do with the original poster's complaint, and in my opinion does nothing to negatively affect A. G.'s reputation.

He said that he would distroy it if in his opinion it was not real.

It is my openion that after this knife had been marked he designed another knife called the ATAK and does not want to admit that he made a mistake.
 
I didn't say that.


That complicates matters, but even if you don't decide to remove the knife from your website you might want to add something to the page explaining that it's a consignment knife and the description is not yours. I don't suppose that would satisfy Mad Dog, but it would be better than just leaving it as it is....

I'm sure it's clear to everyone who's reading this thread that the Cutting Edge has not been knowingly offering a forgery for sale, but some people might see that page without knowing about this thread.

I have not looked at that post in a long time, I will give serious thought to your suggestion.
 
How long has this MD knife been floating around ? How long has it been since it was percieved to be a fake ?

No sir, he told me he bought it from Kevin McClung. that he sent it to Kevin to be marked and that years later Kevin denied having marked it.

from MadDogKnives.net ( owned by Tim Tang )
Other tasks such as blank cutting, heat treatment, handle material bonding, and sheath making are accomplished with the help of co-workers under Kevin's supervision.

So it is reasonable for one to assume , that this knife COULD have been made in MD's shop to some extent , by an employee of MD , without KM's permission , or more likely could be a blade taken from the shop , since it mentioned on MDK.net that ATAK blades are waterjet ( not sure if the early ones were back in the early 90's , my memory is foggy on that one ) and finished and sold later.

Either way , if there is any question to its originality , and if there wasn't at the time the ad was placed on AG's site , there is now , that it should be mentioned in the ad as a disclaimer of some sort.

Consignment or not , if one purchases it , and it's originality is called into question , since AG sold it , I would bet he would back it. Why ? He's a man of his word.
 
this is interesting, there was recently a Auto Union that Christies was going to auction, but they became aware that the car might not be what they originally thought it was. So they pulled it from the auction block. Later Audi verified that it infact was not the Auto Union they thought it was, but it was a genuine Aut Union, so the car was not auctioned. That was the right thing to do. They could have auctioned it and no one would of ever known, but where is the integrity in that.

IMHO the maker of MadDog is telling you that it is not one of his knives. How can you in good conscience try to sell that knife because you want to believe it is real? Consignment or not you should remove this knife from your site immediately and return to owner.
 
this is interesting, there was recently a Auto Union that Christies was going to auction, but they became aware that the car might not be what they originally thought it was. So they pulled it from the auction block. Later Audi verified that it infact was not the Auto Union they thought it was, but it was a genuine Aut Union, so the car was not auctioned. That was the right thing to do. They could have auctioned it and no one would of ever known, but where is the integrity in that.

IMHO the maker of MadDog is telling you that it is not one of his knives. How can you in good conscience try to sell that knife because you want to believe it is real? Consignment or not you should remove this knife from your site immediately and return to owner.

Why would a Medical doctor spending thousands of dollars collecting knives buy a knife in the early 90s from fowler, who no one had ever heard of when he wanted to buy a Mad Dog knife. This doctor is a stand up man and Kevin McClung is not- does that answer your question?
 
I have asked the doctor for permission to post his email and McClung's answer. that will give you an idea of why I have taken the doctor's side in this. I knew it would cost me money but I felt that justice was at stake.

When I hear from the doctor you will hear from me.
 
this is interesting, there was recently a Auto Union that Christies was going to auction, but they became aware that the car might not be what they originally thought it was. So they pulled it from the auction block. Later Audi verified that it infact was not the Auto Union they thought it was, but it was a genuine Aut Union, so the car was not auctioned. That was the right thing to do. They could have auctioned it and no one would of ever known, but where is the integrity in that.

IMHO the maker of MadDog is telling you that it is not one of his knives. How can you in good conscience try to sell that knife because you want to believe it is real? Consignment or not you should remove this knife from your site immediately and return to owner.


Just when the trolling had subsided. They never go away. Rise Troll Rise. :barf: Pile on any which way you can think of, after dozens and dozens of positive testimonials, bring forth your garbage in a new scenario of what appears to be a simple disagreement probably due a simple misunderstanding.
 
Just when the trolling had subsided. They never go away. Rise Troll Rise. :barf: Pile on any which way you can think of, after dozens and dozens of positive testimonials, bring forth your garbage in a new scenario of what appears to be a simple disagreement probably due a simple misunderstanding.



Please stop trying to sidetrack this issue. A legitimate concern has been brought to light here. We are awaiting the email correspondence between the "doctor" and Kevin. So please refrain from posting your garbage.
 
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