What is with A.G. Russel?

wolfmann601 said:
Cougar, I understand what you just wrote but how does one explain away the Doctor's contention that he spoke with Mclung, is the guy lying?
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I ain't Cougar.........
BUT,talking over the phone..... unless you know the person or talk with them enough to get to know them.... you really do not know who you are talking too with absolute 100% confidence. Do you????

He may not be lying at all........ BUT, he may have not been talking to the right person either. Just a thought.
 
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wolfmann601 said:
Cougar, I understand what you just wrote but how does one explain away the Doctor's contention that he spoke with Mclung, is the guy lying?
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You just have to separate out what we actually know from assumptions we might make. The Doctor said that years ago he spoke to someone on the phone that he believed to be McClung. That much seems to be a fact -- the Doctor said that.

You ask was he lying? I don't see any evidence that he was lying when he said that.
 
Posts are crossing again.... :cool:

While I'm here, one more thing about Scott Fowler / Allan Blade: he claims that every person he has ever had a business relationship with has stolen his ideas, including Mad Dog. (That conveniently excuses his thefts from everyone he's ever done business with....)

It would not surprise me if he reappears sometime and admits that he made that knife but claims it really is the prototype that the ATAK was based on, and that Mad Dog stole the design from that prototype and modified it and made it into the ATAK, and of course stole all the credit as well as all the money that all rightfully belongs to him. :rolleyes:
 
wolfmann601 said:
Cougar, I understand what you just wrote but how does one explain away the Doctor's contention that he spoke with Mclung, is the guy lying?
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one of the parties is either confused, doesnt remember correctly or is full of BS imho. maybe a combo of all 3 lol??

i know with all the controversy concerning authenticity the knifes value, based on being ATAK #1, is a long way south of $2500, probably south of $500.

i dont think anyone is trying to crucify anyone about this, but it certainly is an issue worth some discussion imho,
 
confused, doesnt remember correctly or is full of BS
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Or he was filled with BS by Scott Fowler aka Allan Blade.

He may not have said he was Kevin McClung; he might have just led the doctor to assume that....
 
A.G. -

Thanks again for all the great years of service. No matter what becomes of this issue, I'm still ordering for Christmas. :D

thx - cpr
 
Cougar Allen said:
Or he was filled with BS by Scott Fowler aka Allan Blade.

He may not have said he was Kevin McClung; he might have just led the doctor to assume that....
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If this took place, who is responsiblre? He was McClung's employee. I think that who ever the doctor talked to Mcclung is still the man who answers. You can let him slide if you want, but you are wrong.

It seems that mcclung can cover any wrong doing by saying, it wan't me it was that fellow fowler, pretty slick.
 
Mr. Parker, I do not know who you are, have you ever been a customer? Let me know who you are and I will try to fix what ever problem we ever had.
 
Are there no first year law students out there who can explain, in terms simple enough for Cougar and Parker to understand; Whoever answered the phone mcclung remains responsible. That should be clear to anyone, The doctor is one of you, a collector, and you seem to be willing for mcclung to screw him over. I t does not matter who answered the phone.
 
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Do I have this correct:

The Doctor called Mad Dog Knives. He spoke with someone at Mad Dog and ordered said knife from Mad Dog knives. The Doctor paid Mad Dog knives and Mad Dog knives delivered said knife just as the Doctor ordered.
Doctor again calls Mad Dog knives to inquire about having the blade marked. The Doctor ships the knife to Mad Dog and it was subsequently shipped back from Mad Dog marked.

Kevin McLung owned and owns Mad Dog and has zero responsibility because he professes to know nothing or forgotten about this transaction and proclaims said knife a fake?

Is this it in a nutshell?
 
wolfmann601 said:
Do I have this correct:

The Doctor called Mad Dog Knives. He spoke with someone at Mad Dog and ordered said knife from Mad Dog knives. The Doctor paid Mad Dog knives and Mad Dog knives delivered said knife just as the Doctor ordered.
Doctor again calls Mad Dog knives to inquire about having the blade marked. The Doctor ships the knife to Mad Dog and it was subsequently shipped back from Mad Dog marked.

Kevin McLung owned and owns Mad Dog and has zero responsibility because he professes to know nothing or forgotten about this transaction and proclaims said knife a fake?

Is this it in a nutshell?
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If that is it in a nutshell.....

1. What YEAR did all this happen?

2. Has the doctor still got his purchase records ??? [Invoice, cancelled check, CC receipt, etc.]
 
In situations like this, when some folks wonder who to believe (especially those with "no dog in the fight"), it's helpful to ask yourself:

When two different knife dealers or makers disagree, which of them constantly seems to be engaging in feuds with other personalities in the knife industry? Which of them has been the subject of numerous battles, legal or otherwise, in the past? Which of them conducts himself professionally, versus which of them goes on and on at great length insulting all of those who have wronged him?
 
A. G. Russell said:
Are there no first year law students out there who can explain, in terms simple enough for Cougar and Parker to understand; Whoever answered the phone mcclung remains responsible. That should be clear to anyone, The doctor is one of you, a collector, and you seem to be willing for mcclung to screw him over. I t does not matter who answered the phone.
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I certainly agree that Scott Fowler is responsible for creating the forgery and selling it to the doctor. If he can be located and currently has any resources he could be sued for whatever price he was paid for the forgery.

It's not so clear whether Fowler was McClung's employee at the time he committed the crime, and even if he was it's not so clear how McClung could be held responsible for Fowler's crimes.

McClung seems to have fired Fowler as soon as he found out Fowler was stealing from him, and since then he seems to have made a reasonable effort to inform the world about the forgeries that Fowler made and identify them as forgeries when asked. Some people might ask more of McClung than that, but it's not so clear that the law requires any more of him.

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. I am a dork with an internet connection and this is dork advice.
 
I don't like the look of the Mad Dog knives. I like Randall better. If you don't want to wait for a year or more, AG Russell sells them for immediate delivery. I bought some custom knives from AG Russell and they came in a few days, and I was happy with them. My buddy saw the knife I had, and ordered one too. I think I will believe AG Russell's story before I believe somebody else. He is very trustworthy and a man of honor.
 
Sharp Phil said:
In situations like this, when some folks wonder who to believe (especially those with "no dog in the fight"), it's helpful to ask yourself:

When two different knife dealers or makers disagree, which of them constantly seems to be engaging in feuds with other personalities in the knife industry? Which of them has been the subject of numerous battles, legal or otherwise, in the past? Which of them conducts himself professionally, versus which of them goes on and on at great length insulting all of those who have wronged him?
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Quoted for Truth.

I'll stand by the person who has done right by me in the past - A.G. Russell.
 
There is the world...and the knife world...

1. Real World-Doctor spends a bunch of time and money tracking down an ex- EMPLOYEE of a small knife COMPANY(that is what we call Chris Reeve, Strider or any other concerns with EMPLOYEES, Loveless doesn't count in this case for you smart butts, because Merritt is a PARTNER) who may or may not have misrepresented himself. Lawyers that cost a bunch more money, so the possible court case that takes more time, MAY result in a favorable decision for Doctor, but one that he will never collect because Blade or whatever this POS's name is will thumb his nose at the decision....

2. Knife World-possibly McClung's way-"Dude, I don't know who you are, never heard of you, gimme $1,000 and I'll bust up the knife if I didn't make it. Cougar, if a maker tried that with me...Shock and Awe would look like a sparkler on July 4th in comparison.

3. Knife World-the right way, and reality-"Dude, you got a knife that is close enough to one of mine and is signed by an ex-employee that I am responsible for? I'll make you a new knife, and if you would send me the one in question, it would really be appreciated"!

Any of this laid on either the Doctor or A.G. is shifting blame to parties that are blameless of nothing other than misplaced trust. I would recommend some wording changes to the description of the knife myself....but that is all.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
Lawyers that cost a bunch more money, so the possible court case that takes more time, MAY result in a favorable decision for Doctor, but one that he will never collect
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Yup. :(


2. Knife World-possibly McClung's way-"Dude, I don't know who you are, never heard of you, gimme $1,000 and I'll bust up the knife if I didn't make it.
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Well, I think he said that after he had already said there was no point whatever in looking at the knife in person, since it's obvious from the picture it's not an ATAK. Anyway, that's about the level of politeness and respect we've come to expect from McClung in these situations.... :(


3. Knife World-the right way, and reality-"Dude, you got a knife that is close enough to one of mine and is signed by an ex-employee that I am responsible for? I'll make you a new knife, and if you would send me the one in question, it would really be appreciated"!
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I think a lot of knifemakers would say exactly that, if they were in a situation like this. While I'm waiting for McClung to say it, I'm not going to hold my breath.... :(


Any of this laid on either the Doctor or A.G. is shifting blame to parties that are blameless of nothing other than misplaced trust. I would recommend some wording changes to the description of the knife myself....but that is all.
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Exactly. That's all that anybody can ask.
 
I agree with kohai, especially on point #3. I would think that if a customer remembers specifics about ordering something from my company, and talking to someone there, it would be a small matter to make a new knife to his specs, trade for the old one, and be done with it.

As for point #2, that pretty much sums up the whole issue for me: I've bought a knife for a substantial $$ amount, there's a question of authenticity, and the maker demands another substantial $$ amount to verify, then he'll destroy it if he doesn't like it? WHAT?! :eek: As far as I'm concerned, that tells me all I need to know about McClung.

thx - cpr
 
The doctor consigned the knife to AG to get rid of it because he was embarrassed he had ordered a knife with a turquoise colored handle.

McClung denied he made the knife because he is embarrassed he ever made a knife with a turquoise colored handle.

:D
 
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