What is with A.G. Russel?

rick43t3 said:
The problem herein lies that AG Russell, a man who I believe, says the knife came from the Mad Dog shop. That in and of itself, tells me the knife was made by Mad Dog.
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so if he says Ferrari is made by Hyundai would you believe that too?

you cant ignore all facts here.

kind of reminds me of this

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The problem with your cute little analogy is that there is no EVIDENCE involved here -- only conflicting testimony. That means it falls to those involved to believe the party who has a more trusted reputation.

I don't think it's hard to decide who that is, in this case.
 
Sharp Phil said:
The problem with your cute little analogy is that there is no EVIDENCE involved here -- only conflicting testimony. That means it falls to those involved to believe the party who has a more trusted reputation.

I don't think it's hard to decide who that is, in this case.
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Thank you Phil and Rick and all the others who have supported me in this controversy. I advised the doctor that mcclung and his friends had poisoned the knife to the point that it would never bring a fair price. He has decided to use it for a camp knife. I regret mcclung being able to screw a good man out of what he should have had.

We will be shipping the knife back Monday.
 
That little chart also leaves off one thing from the "science" side.

"except second and third hand testimony as "evidence of fact" without any actual proof, because it feeds your preconceived opinion of what you want to be true."
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
That little chart also leaves off one thing from the "science" side.

"except second and third hand testimony as "evidence of fact" without any actual proof, because it feeds your preconceived opinion of what you want to be true."
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Also leaves off deliberately falsified evidence, "occasionally" noted in cases where lucrative contracts hinge on the results.
 
I have learned from this thread. I have learned about science. The science of deception. I see how some deceive, and others believe the deception. I also see that my gut feeling is something to stick by. It has always lead me down the right path.
 
teacher said:
AG had nothing to do with the original purchase of this knife.

Therefore there is no way you, me, AG, or anybody else can say with certainity where this knife came from or the circumstances surrounding it.

IF, the good Dr. has / had any of his paperwork from the sale....then it might very well be a different story that could be proven......no more.... no less.

As has already been said here..... in cases like this ....DOCUMENTATION is and can be everything.

Reputation of buyer, seller, or middle man; good or bad..... matters not one bit except in the eyes and opinions of others.

And the opinions of others do not tell the true story......... whatever it may be ?????

Only documented facts do.
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Teacher, you are entirely on the money. Sorry for cutting it up a bit, but I thought I'd make it a little more concise.

The one bit you left out....the guy who supposedly made and marked the knife, did not mark it as ATAK #001. And there is NO way it would ever have been so marked by Mad Dog Knives, since it is no ATAK and is surely not ATAK #001.

I have not looked yet - is this still for sale as ATAK #001? Please tell me Mr. Russell got a hold of his web guy and pulled it. Too late, I just looked and it's still there. Here's a hint - just call it a PALEO MAD DOG - you'll sell it for as much money as calling it ATAK 001 and you will not be selling falsified goods at that point ;)

And really, the bullshit and yes, bullshit, about the owner of this knife being too busy to sue Kevin McClung, well, I suppose all of the history in the making of such a thing would come out, the time lines, the retarded excuses for why he may do this, versus the absolute positives of accepting it, etc, it's a load of shit. Utterly a load of shit.

The Cutting Edge tried to sell it for what was it, about 9 grand at one time, about the time that this originally came to light? That's a worthwhile number to sue for. Or maybe that shoe is on the other foot, eh? Think about that for a moment, since I happen to have a pretty good idea of where Mad Dog ATAK #001 is. They'd potentially have an axe to grind not only with AG Russell and the Cutting Edge, but based upon the information in this thread, with the good doctor as well.

Without documentation, he's full of scat. With it, he'd be in a position to argue, but currently, it's his word against the guy who supposedly made and marked it, and the guy who made it, if in fact it is a real Mad Dog knife has categorically stated that this is a full-stop LIE and The Cutting Edge is sellling it as ATAK #001. I still cannot get past that, and it seems that the less myopically challenged here are seeing that as well.

Where is the good doctor anyway? He's currently impugning your reputation, ushing this nonsense on you, and all the happy stuff aside, in your position, I'd be fuming. Or I'd be at least asking VERY difficult questions, which seem to have no answer. Maybe he has a few things to add here, despite being very busy. Sheesh, we are ALL busy currently. But we are finding time.

Sorry for the interuption - back to the regularly scheduled off-the-mark and off-topic nonsense we've come to expect.

Don't forget - you like AG Russell and don't like Mad Dog, therefore this is okay. Ignore the blatant marketing of a fraudulent if it suits your needs. Until you buy a Ralph Bone, George Stone or Moran which was not as it seems. I'm not suggesting this is a possibility at AG Russell's Cutting Edge, but damn, if they ignore BLATANT information that they are hawking a fraud, well, draw your own conclusions. Unless you like AG Russell and want to ignore this little three-thousand dollar inconvenience.

Mr Russell, I guess I am still waiting for my answer as to whether or not you intend to continue the charade on the Cutting Edge....
 
Parker, I thought you had a little class. Are you a total idiot? You think I keep my people working on Sunday just to make you feel good? it seems that your signature says it all about you.
 
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Parker , given how much you know about MD knives and their operations...

How do you KNOW the following:
The one bit you left out....the guy who supposedly made and marked the knife, did not mark it as ATAK #001.And there is NO way it would ever have been so marked by Mad Dog Knives
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You may have been told by somebody , but how do you know this to be 100% fact ? Do you have proof that it wasn't made by either MD Knives or Alan Blade while working at MD Knives ? Or are you taking Kevin's word , the same as others are taking AG & his customers word ?

Not knowing MD Knives operation , does Kevin grind every blade himself , and every other facet of each and every knife himself ? Has he now or in the past used " helpers" or " apprentices " in the shop ? Anyone who answers the phone at a place of business is responsible for what is said or done by that person , just as they are responsible for whatever work they perform while working in that place of business.

And really, the bullshit and yes, bullshit, about the owner of this knife being too busy to sue Kevin McClung.
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I could very easily see a dr being too busy to bother with a lawsuit , don't see how you could argue that. Or it might not be worth it as the dr didnt pay that much for it originally.

Thinking back , I should have bought a whole bunch of MD at the prices 10-12 years ago. And to think I sold the ceramics for a couple hundred each just a year or so ago.

Think about that for a moment, since I happen to have a pretty good idea of where Mad Dog ATAK #001 is. They'd potentially have an axe to grind not only with AG Russell and the Cutting Edge, but based upon the information in this thread, with the good doctor as well.
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Or they could have an axe to grind with whomever at MD knives ( where the Dr claims it was purchased and sent to for marking ). Heck perhaps there are a few more of these # 1's out there ???? If this went down as the dr. says , then the owner of the other #1 doesn't have an issue with him , they have an issue with the MD shop or his shop buds who were there back then.


Good grief Charlie Brown , all this over a piece of chromed 01 , who would have ever thunk it ? ;)
 
A. G. Russell said:
Parker, I thought you had a little class. Are you a total litiot? You think I keep my people working on Sunday just to make you feel good? it seems that your signature says it all about you.
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Mr Russell, I'll stop asking when the simple question is answered - are you going to keep trying to sell this as is or not?

What about my simple question vexes you so?

How about this - I'll leave it here and await your simple answer.

Your opinion about my sig line is irrelevant to the question, Sir. Please try to avoid any off-topic on this one and just answer the question - yes, no, or yes but with changes.

John, if you are looking to sell any further MDK, email me, I know a few folks who are looking.

Good night, gents, I'll look in on this madness in the morning.
 
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