What popular knives that you don't understand why

shinyedges said:
I've been eye balling an edge pro , I would like to keep a v grind on some knives. I get what your saying, Its hard to deny the significant advantages of super steels especially if you can sharpen.. no draw backs really. Your a fortunate one, I've only been able to use and sharpen a handful of steel like m4,d2,s30v,154cm, 80crv2,1095 and a few others I really want to try out 3v.
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The real beauty of the Edge Pro is once the bevel is set it's trivial to maintain an edge with just very simple tools, it's ridiculous how easy it is. :D

With all the testing that I have done over the years I needed to streamline sharpening making it easier as you can imagine.
 
I'll be hinting to the old lady I want an edge pro and by hinting I mean explicitly telling her over and over lol how do the stones hold up with all the use you put on them? And I can't even imagine all the steels you've got to use and try... freaking awesome.
Ankerson said:
The real beauty of the Edge Pro is once the bevel is set it's trivial to maintain an edge with just very simple tools, it's ridiculous how easy it is. :D

With all the testing that I have done over the years I needed to streamline sharpening making it easier as you can imagine.
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RemyKaze said:
Like what? I'm always interested in new designs.
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shinyedges said:
Out of curiosity what better designs are you talking about?
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shinyedges said:
It must be a custom... I know there are better knives for wood work than a scandi Mora, but MUCH better than a scandi Mora ? Is it a chisel? Lol
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Fair questions. Sorry for the late response, things have gotten hectic here lately.

Yeah, the designs that I like the best are thin FFG, with the steel to support it. For example, the opinel. I love that geometry. The Russell and Green River knives are also along those lines. The problem is in getting thin. You need steel strong enough to support that, which usually means high hardness, above 60 or 62 HRC. Chisels and scandis are fine for some wood working, if holding an angle is what you want, but I think they are limiting. I can make much better cuts when I'm using a knife that doesn't have such a thick primary grind like the mora.

While they are easy to sharpen (finding the angle), they take me a long time to sharpen because of the amount of metal that has to be removed. If they use a micro bevel, then they could have simply used the FFG to start with. They are fine for a cheap knife. I don't buy into all the hype about how great they are.

IMO. YMMV.
 
PayneTrain said:
Oh this looks fun. Ok who do I wanna poo on?
ZT: Tacticool, heavy, and ugly. Tiger stripes? Really?
CRK: Ugly, boring, overpriced.
And on that note, Strider, Hinderer, Brous, all that awkward shaped, overpriced nonsense. They're always on the exchange in mint condition. Does anyone actually use these things? Of course not. They suck.
Oh and screw Opinel too.

I need a cigarette...
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This bothers me a little. I used my ZTs for quite a while before I went to soemthing else, and not really because they "sucked", but because I just found something I liked a little better. I know several people who use hinderers a lot, and I would love to get another Strider to beat the hell out of and use every day, but juat haven't really had the chance.

I also use my CRK Sebenza 25 quite a bit, and even more expenisve knives that I have. Do I have some I don't use as much as others, yeah, but they all get used or i sell them not long after buyng them BECAUSE I don't use them. Do I think these knives are for everyone, no, but at the same time, that's why there's such a variety in the market.

Now, are there some knives I don't get the popularity of, yeah there are. For example, Direware and a good number of the Medfords. I get why some people like the overbuilt style, but honestly I just don't seen enough of these getting used much. They seem much more collectors peices than anything else, especially Direware. And although Direware touts their knife as "overbuilt" their lockbar cutout is very very thin, making the knife realistically not very strong in the lock.
 
I do love a ffg blade, but I'm a little lost on what you mean by moras needing a lot of metal removed? There isn't really finding an angle when sharpening moras you just lay it flat on the bevel... perhaps that's where you mean a lot of metal needs to be removed?
sodak said:
Fair questions. Sorry for the late response, things have gotten hectic here lately.

Yeah, the designs that I like the best are thin FFG, with the steel to support it. For example, the opinel. I love that geometry. The Russell and Green River knives are also along those lines. The problem is in getting thin. You need steel strong enough to support that, which usually means high hardness, above 60 or 62 HRC. Chisels and scandis are fine for some wood working, if holding an angle is what you want, but I think they are limiting. I can make much better cuts when I'm using a knife that doesn't have such a thick primary grind like the mora.

While they are easy to sharpen (finding the angle), they take me a long time to sharpen because of the amount of metal that has to be removed. If they use a micro bevel, then they could have simply used the FFG to start with. They are fine for a cheap knife. I don't buy into all the hype about how great they are.

IMO. YMMV.
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Sorry for not being clear. What I mean is that if you are sharpening w/out a micro/secondary bevel, the edge bevel is what gets laid down and sharpened, and these can be really wide (3/8ths of an inch) on my 510. So if I ding the edge on my 510, I have a 3/8 bevel that I have to sharpen down, compared to a small bevel at less than 1/8 or 1/16. It's just a lot less metal that has to be removed in order to sharpen it or take out edge damage compared to a bevel that's 3/8 wide.
 
Ah, I got you. I thought the same thing when I had to repair edge damage on my Mora. For normal sharpening a few passes will do but damage requires more metal be removed. I think the flat bevels would need to be brought back eventually after enough sharpening/ damage. Were on the same page.
sodak said:
Sorry for not being clear. What I mean is that if you are sharpening w/out a micro/secondary bevel, the edge bevel is what gets laid down and sharpened, and these can be really wide (3/8ths of an inch) on my 510. So if I ding the edge on my 510, I have a 3/8 bevel that I have to sharpen down, compared to a small bevel at less than 1/8 or 1/16. It's just a lot less metal that has to be removed in order to sharpen it or take out edge damage compared to a bevel that's 3/8 wide.
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Also, Besides a few very select knives that are specialized, I do NOT like chisel grinds.
 
shinyedges said:
I'll be hinting to the old lady I want an edge pro and by hinting I mean explicitly telling her over and over lol how do the stones hold up with all the use you put on them? And I can't even imagine all the steels you've got to use and try... freaking awesome.
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I would recommend getting the Apex 2 and using those to start with.

I use the Congress Mold Master stones: http://www.congresstools.com/catalog/categories/get-subcategory/?id=27

1" x 1/8" x 6" - 320 and 400 grit, the 240 is also nice.

They last forever, very hard Silicon Carbide.
 
Silvanus said:
The ZT limited editions. With how popular they are you'd think Zeus forges them from unicorn horns and that they cure cancer AND make supermodels fall in love with you. For the $1000 the 0454 sold for the day after it came out, a person could buy a full handmade custom knife from a variety of makers and possibly have some money left over.
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LMFAO. I love this thread!
 
Anything cold steel has ever done ever.

Anything SOG has ever done ever.

The venerable griptilian just makes me mad looking at it and the whole AXIS lock hardon allot of people have.

Every $10 chinese knife ever produced.

Ravencrest knives.....

Case knives just in general.
 
While I agree with a lot of posts in this thread (chisel grinds, partial serrations, operator fantasy knives (strider, Medford etc) or other "hard use knives) I have to say that hating smaller knives is in of itself ridiculous. Not everyone needs a folding sword in their pocket for daily use. It's one thing to question the "advantages" of chisel grinds or pocket bricks vs more conventional designs but size??

For most people, the sweet spot for EDC is a 7" folder with a 3" blade and 4" handle.

tinybladeforums.com...

It's almost as though some folks would feel insecure without a 5" folder clipped to their jeans pocket. Perhaps they're compensating for a lack of length elsewhere in their pants? (JK :) )
 
I will now sum up the entire thread:

"Grrrr, I don't like the things I don't like!!!"

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I read negative reviews first, no matter what I'm shopping for. Fanboy rhetoric sets off my bullshxt sensors big time. I don't want to hear the same regurgitated praise screamed in my face. I want to hear uneducated impressions. Real world application. It's fun to listen to water-cooler talk.
 
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@LeathermanGX said:
I read negative reviews first, no matter what I'm shopping for. Fanboy rhetoric sets off my bullshxt sensors big time. I don't want to hear the same regurgitated praise screamed in my face. I want to hear uneducated impressions. Real world application. It's fun to listen to water-cooled talk.
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I like to read the cons of any product but, uneducated impressions and real world application tend to be mutually exclusive.
 
Charr said:
This bothers me a little. I used my ZTs for quite a while before I went to soemthing else, and not really because they "sucked", but because I just found something I liked a little better. I know several people who use hinderers a lot, and I would love to get another Strider to beat the hell out of and use every day, but juat haven't really had the chance.

I also use my CRK Sebenza 25 quite a bit, and even more expenisve knives that I have. Do I have some I don't use as much as others, yeah, but they all get used or i sell them not long after buyng them BECAUSE I don't use them. Do I think these knives are for everyone, no, but at the same time, that's why there's such a variety in the market.

Now, are there some knives I don't get the popularity of, yeah there are. For example, Direware and a good number of the Medfords. I get why some people like the overbuilt style, but honestly I just don't seen enough of these getting used much. They seem much more collectors peices than anything else, especially Direware. And although Direware touts their knife as "overbuilt" their lockbar cutout is very very thin, making the knife realistically not very strong in the lock.
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I must concede, I've changed my tune on ZT and Hinderer. The look of Hinderers really grew on me, specifically the flippers, though I refuse to pay the price to own one. Sooo I looked at ZT and while I had a preorder for a 0562CF, I ended up canceling it and just getting a used 0566 instead. It had issues, but a trip back home to Oregon solved them and I now have a very nicely functioning knife. Still heavy, so its carry time will be limited by that fact, but the operation and feel of this knife is pretty nice. Touche, salesman.

But Striders, CR's, and whatever else I mercilessly hated on are still ugly and their popularity is beyond me. Maybe one day when I'm rich, I'll understand, but for now I won't budge.

I am glad to hear that there are people out there that use their expensive pieces. I find it rather insulting to the knife itself to leave it sitting and pristine. To use your knife is to love your knife. I feel you are a rarity, Charr, but I may be wrong. I remember seeing a pic a little while ago of someone's Strider blade that snapped about an inch from the pivot. That must have hurt, but then again maybe the knife had a good run.
 
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