What's so special about the Busses?

Codger_64 said:
Perhaps this has already been asked and answered but I missed it during the foodfights:

What is the significance of the oinks, grunts and other porcine lingo, piggy names, and all of the images of pigs? What is up with that and what does it have to do with knives?

Just curious.

Codger
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I'm no professional, but I think it came from Busses Heavy Ordinance Grade knives. It was later associated with a person of Busse esteem (being a HOG) for whatever reason Jerry Busse saw fit. It is rather silly at times how we act over the whole swine thing, but fun for those of us into that kind of thing.
 
How many pages will this thread go?

And yes they are all hogs over there in the Busse section. They ought to all thin out their collections and let other people have a chance...

I think at this point not many people will be changing their minds. I think the only way you can know if they are right for your tasks or worth the money or worth the hype is to TRY THEM!

You'd be suprised how many 'hogs' are happy to let people play with their Busse's!
 
g30ff said:
Alright I should have said "few people" instead of nobody. In the first few pages the worst most of it could be described as would be a gentle needling. There was an exception and a bit of a running feud that had more to do with personalities than knives, but reaction to the knives was generally positive. Some of the sharper criticism followed the Busse defenders in, but even 2dogs could have a laugh at his own expense when called out on his own hostility.
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fair enough. i only posted because i saw some unecessary insults being thrown around.

i read this thread when it was started, but waited to post because i didnt want to get caught up in another thread of this type. they have become fairly common for a few makers.

i hope my posts have not contributed to any bad feelings or flame wars.
 
Evolute said:
2dogs,

I'd rather not push the knives right to the limit, unnecessarily, but... how about this counter-offer:

How about you and I heat one of my Busse knives to 500 degrees for an hour, right next to one of your carbon steel knives, along with us photographing, measuring, and testing them each, before and after. We can test whether Busse knives actually have superior heat resistance or not. It sounds like fun to me.

No need to pay freight. We live close to each other; let's do it in person, together.
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Are you implying that I have a problematic "attitude"? If so, I'd like to hear precisely what "attitude" you believe I have, specifically why you believe I have it, and exactly what you find problematic about it.

As for Jerry's "attitude", in my experience, it's a good one. He's the only knifemaker who gives me a hug when he sees me, the only knifemaker who calls me up to ask how I'm doing and share some laughs; the only knifemaker to draw a treasure map for me and give me clues to find a hidden stash of his knives; the only knifemaker who has traded my art for his knives; the only knifemaker to have become a friend of mine.

He does his best to make the best product he can and offer the best service he can. I suspect you are projecting upon him attitude problems that either are not true attitude problems, or that he does not actually have.
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Hey that sounds great! I will donate either an early model Cold Steel SRK or a BK9. The Kraton handle will melt off the SRK but that's OK it didn't cost me much. I will PM you next week to set up a time.
 
Jaxx said:
Well, gee... Will you let me drive your car into a brick wall for an hour? If it is drivable after that, I'll buy one. I'll even pay the freight both ways. Heck, I'll video tape the entire process... :rolleyes: Nice. Why would any one of us send YOU a knife for a test like that after a rant like this? It's like saying... "Let me try my hardest to kill your knife for free just so I can feel better about buying one myself."

So wait... you go through this rant about the knife, and then say... "The problem ISN'T THE KNIVES, it is Jerry's attitude and it carries over to a few owners"????? Ok, um... well, thanks for making the point that you believe the KNIVES aren't the problem. As for Jerry? Well who cares? Are you buying the owner or the knife? Personally, I couldn't care less if you would buy a Busse... or not. Ya don't like them, so what. You don't like Jerry Busse?? Again, so what. Here's what I know. The knives are great, and the customer service is the best I've personally encountered in ANY field, period. NO OTHER owner or president of any company has EVER personally called me to see if I was satisfied with their product. Jerry has., and Busse's main customer service rep, Amy has on more than one occasion. Both have shown me that they care about the customers in many ways. Say what you will, but until you actually KNOW... You're blowing smoke. Ya don't care for some of the owners of these knives?? So what? Is THAT really important in making a decision in buying a product? Here's what I know... We have one of the most active & interactive sub-forums anywhere on BladeForums.com. I've met MANY great folks there in the year plus I've been over there. Say what you will, but there has to be something to that.

Tell ya what... I'll send you a Busse CG FBM, & you send ME your toughest knife of approximate size & equal value. We'll take a week giving each other's our all, then let's compare the damage. Deal? I didn't think so... :rolleyes:

Yeah, I got safe queens too, as I am a collector of many knives & types of fixed blades 'n' folders, but I do use a few of these as well.

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Jaxx I think you missed post #75 by Evolute where he stated Jerry told him his knives will withstand 1,100 for an hour. I don't believe Busses or any other knife will live through that kind of heat and retain the proper temper. I would be happy to exchange knives with you and I'll go first. I will not damage your knife in any way because I don't damage my own. I will use it for mundane trail tasks, fire building, and food prep. I'll clean it and keep it oiled ( I live close to the ocean) and return it to you in good shape. If this sounds like something you want to do just post here, I'll be checking in every other day or so. If not, no hard feelings.
 
Myal said:
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I wouldnt be too fast to denounce as bull a knife that can be used to cut open car doors ...

Im a ordinary guy who makes knives that do this in my backyard using HSS saw blades and an angle grinder , the knives still slice paper after being shoved thru car panels a few times .. had to do it a couple times before I got it to look right for the picture

as far as I know , Busse has his own manufacturing plant a a few more $$ than me and a whole lot more knowledge about steels

it may be very possible his claims are true , I working on the assumption that if me with near 0$ can do what is pictured , surely him with heaps of $ machines tech know-how etc etc etc can do a whole lot more

FWIW , the smaller of the knives pictured has allready been used to cut open a car door skin to give access to the lock rods , and to lever the door open , as well as cut the battery cables and seatbelt ( not necessarily in that order tho ) maybe save a life in the process

It is still serviceable sharp after the exersize

this was done by a backyarder , busse has to be better

that being said tho , I dont own one a busse , I would like to , and maybe will oneday , but right now , no .
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Myal I'm sorry but I did not say anything about cutting a door skin. You are correct in saying any knife can do this, it doesn't prove anything. I did use the words "door bolt" and prying open a door. Those are not possible with a knife and I do call BS on anyone who says they have done it. And I say that backed up by experience in vehicle extrication. I hope no one reading this will even attempt to cut a door bolt as it will ruin their knife. I do know how to make an "efficient" tool used in the cutting open car doors and I guess you could call it a knife but that would be a stretch. BTW good on ya for making your own knives.
 
I have to say I'm a bit jealous of you busse knife holders. They look like sweet knives and from most accounts I've read are. I'm gonna be saving up for a 6 inch one and have a play with it in the bush once I get it.

laters - xinel.
 
xinel said:
I have to say I'm a bit jealous of you busse knife holders. They look like sweet knives and from most accounts I've read are. I'm gonna be saving up for a 6 inch one and have a play with it in the bush once I get it.

laters - xinel.
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GET ONE! I got a FSHHH ( fusion steel heart heavy heart) and now I am addicted.:D

Bill
 
2dogs said:
I did use the words "door bolt" and prying open a door. Those are not possible with a knife and I do call BS on anyone who says they have done it. And I say that backed up by experience in vehicle extrication. .
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I call BS on anyone that claims THEIR experiences are the only ones that count and are all encompassing. IE; if YOU didn't experience it, then it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone else to have experienced it........:rolleyes:

The car in question had just been in a WRECK ! it wasn't in the same shape as it was prior to the wreck. Things that were in place before the wreck had been moved/crunched/crushed. Jerry didn't say ANYTHING about prying out the door bolt, so you ASSume quite a bit here.

To impudently call "BS" on someone's statement of what they did at that scene when the "BS caller" was nowhere in sight is..........ego-centric in the extreme.

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I don't have a gripe with Busse, but if I did it would be this: I go to the dang website thinking maybe I'll drop some bucks on one, click "knives" and only one flavor pops up - the "scotch dispenser". What!? Not only is nothing available, I don't even see what the knives look like that they don't have in stock, so as to educate myself about the Busse lineup. Life is too short to be searching around a dang website for something that isn't even there to begin with.

Of course, I do live 30 minutes from Knob Creek, and April is only 5 months away . . .
 
Door bolt, ehh? Early Hurst "Jaws of Life" had trouble with those. You couldn't pry those off with a six foot pry bar and six men.
 
Just in case you missed the post that is two above yours nemoaz.......

David E said:
I call BS on anyone that claims THEIR experiences are the only ones that count and are all encompassing. IE; if YOU didn't experience it, then it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone else to have experienced it........:rolleyes:

The car in question had just been in a WRECK ! it wasn't in the same shape as it was prior to the wreck. Things that were in place before the wreck had been moved/crunched/crushed. Jerry didn't say ANYTHING about prying out the door bolt, so you ASSume quite a bit here.

To impudently call "BS" on someone's statement of what they did at that scene when the "BS caller" was nowhere in sight is..........ego-centric in the extreme.

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David E said:
I call BS on anyone that claims THEIR experiences are the only ones that count and are all encompassing. IE; if YOU didn't experience it, then it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone else to have experienced it........:rolleyes:

The car in question had just been in a WRECK ! it wasn't in the same shape as it was prior to the wreck. Things that were in place before the wreck had been moved/crunched/crushed. Jerry didn't say ANYTHING about prying out the door bolt, so you ASSume quite a bit here.

To impudently call "BS" on someone's statement of what they did at that scene when the "BS caller" was nowhere in sight is..........ego-centric in the extreme.

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Hi my post have been unclear, I'm sorry it wasn't stated clearer. Jerry claimed to pry open a mangled door. I stated you can't cut a door bolt with a knife. Two different subjects. I didn't mean to state Jerry had cut any door bolt. Hope that helps.
 
I think its time for Noss to cut some door bolts. Judging how some blades do cutting thick pipe I think its possible if you can get the blade situated to pound on it.

Skam
 
Skam don't have him even try. The bolts are tough and hard and he will just ruin his blade.
 
2dogs said:
Skam don't have him even try. The bolts are tough and hard and he will just ruin his blade.
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Probably but it wont me my blade ;). If I were loaded I would send him one but I am not a collector and my couple good user blades are all I have.

Still, I would be very curious to see him wack the crap out of INFI. It would probably settle some doubts.

Skam
 
I helped my father run an automotive salvage yard for several years down in Saucier, MS. I experienced vehicles in a vast variety of conditions, besides the diversity of manufacture. I know first hand that the materials in many parts of a vehicle are jeopardized in a collision. Anyone calling BS on a story of feat like Jerry's is not necassarily informed enough to call themselves "experienced". I once watched my 300 pound + Ol' Man snap the hinges and yank the door off an 80s era Ford truck. You can call BS if you want, but you would be wrong, and no amount of posting or opinion can change that. I've seen quite a few accidents and I've witnessed rescues. I've seen people do things not normally considered possible and I've seen things fail where they shouldn't. Many things are possible. I haven't known Jerry to lie or stretch the truth where his blades are involved, but I have seen a whole bunch of opinionated "experts" be wrong. One thing that I do know, we don't know everything.
 
I'm not aware of Jerry specifically claiming he cut through door bolts during that rescue. That's a tough task to ask of any knife, and I'm by no means certain that a Busse blade would succeed at this. The closest cases I've seen are as follows:

Here, someone cut through the hinges on an SUV's door with a knife:

http://cutleryscience.com/reviews/howling_rat.html

Here, someone is cutting through heavy steel tubing with a (already damaged) knife:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODw...ww.knifetests.com/scrapyardscrapper6test.html

Granted, neither of these are Busse branded knives, though they are both much more economical offerings within the Busse family of knife brands. (The first knife is made by Swamp Rat, the company of Jerry Busse's wife, Jennifer; the second knife is made by Scrap Yard, the company of Jerry Busse's brother, Dan). Based upon these two examples, I would venture to guess that it is not entirely implausible that a Busse knife could've done it.
 
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