What's so special about the Busses?

2dogs said:
Skam don't have him even try. The bolts are tough and hard and he will just ruin his blade.
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Please clarify your position on this:

Can a Busse Battle Mistress of any combination cut through a bolt in a car door, or even a car door hinge?

At first, you stated that in your experience, it could not be done. Not you seem to be backing off that statement and saying that the blade will simply be ruined. Are you now saying that it can be done?

I just want to know because I think Noss should do this. I think it will take "at least" that level of abuse to break it. Ruin? Whether a knife is "ruined" or not is subjective. Getting through the bolt or a hinge is objective--the knife will do it or it won't. So in your opinion, will it or won't it? And if it will, what other knife outside of a Scrap Yard or Swamp Rat will also do it (regardless of damage)?
 
bigbcustom said:
lol you are about to get 350 responses lmao....do a search for busse comparison or something along those lines...there are a pile of threads with virtually the same question. I put off buying one for two years then I held one...now I have several
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lol, we're at 180 and growing.
 
2dogs said:
Hi my post have been unclear, I'm sorry it wasn't stated clearer. Jerry claimed to pry open a mangled door. I stated you can't cut a door bolt with a knife. Two different subjects. I didn't mean to state Jerry had cut any door bolt. Hope that helps.
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Nice try ! You did NOT make that statement in context to Jerry's claim. Here's a cut and paste of your Post # 90: (in case you accidentally edit it...)

I thought about buying a Busse some years back but then Jerry posted about using his knife to pry open a car door and rescuing the driver. Bullstuff!
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It's very clear what you said. "Jerry posted about using his knife to pry open a door and rescuing the driver." Then add, without any hesitation or qualifying statements whatsoever: "BULLSTUFF!" These are your words.

I am curious where, exactly, you think the misunderstanding lies.

To now say that you were originally referring to a door bolt is, um.......... interesting.

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David E said:
Nice try ! You did NOT make that statement in context to Jerry's claim. Here's a cut and paste of your Post # 90: (in case you accidentally edit it...)

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It's very clear what you said. "Jerry posted about using his knife to pry open a door and rescuing the driver." Then add, without any hesitation or qualifying statements whatsoever: "BULLSTUFF!" These are your words.

I am curious where, exactly, you think the misunderstanding lies.

To now say that you were originally referring to a door bolt is, um.......... interesting.

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Please go back to my post #90 and read it again. I did indeed refer to cutting door bolts. You do me a disservice by only by only quoting a few lines of my post.
 
BTW, to get back to a semblance of what this thread was intended, I'd like to point out that the Busse Family of Knives (Scrapyard, Swamprat and Busse) Can or could be found from prices ranging from $70 (Scrapyard Dumpster Mutt) to $128-198 (Swamprat) and $187-$227-$700+ (Busse)

Pick one and buy it !! Then use the snot out of it and be happy you did ! :D

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2dogs said:
Will you let me heat your Busse to 1,100oF for an hour. If you will then I will consider buying one. I will pay the freight both ways and video the entire process. Then I will test first hardness and then practical use and edge holding. And what is INFI? Seeing that Busse is not in the steel business he has some other company roll steel to his secret specifcations that no other knife maker can duplicate. Or he uses 1095.

I thought about buying a Busse some years back but then Jerry posted about using his knife to pry open a car door and rescuing the driver. Bullstuff! I trained firefighters for years in vehicle extrication and I know how to open doors with the Jaws of Life". I also know field expediant methods. If anyone will send me their Busse and allow me to cut a door bolt with it or pry open a door with it I will buy one. I will video the entire evolution and send your knife back to you afterward. Takers. I didn't think so. The problem isn't the knives, it is Jerry's attitude and it carries over to a few owners. In closing I always get a laugh when someone talks about how he owns the toughest knife on the planet and then shows a picture of a drawer queen.
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Ok, here's your entire post.

It still reads that you are calling Jerry a LIAR, even tho you were not there. He did NOT claim to have cut or pried the door bolt, only that he pried open the door of a wrecked car. The line highlighted shows that you are calling BS on that simple claim.

For you to add the door bolt equation is missing the mark and/or outright misrepresenting what Jerry claimed.

Or, you're like the guy that puts his own spin/experience on EVERYTHING. If I claimed I could draw and fire in 45/100th's of a second, you'd say "There's no way you can draw and hit a 4" plate at 50 yds in under 1/2 second!" Well, dang, that's not what I said I could do! BUT, instead of reading the words as written, or asking for clarification, you call BS!!! :rolleyes:
 
on_the_edge said:
Please clarify your position on this:

Can a Busse Battle Mistress of any combination cut through a bolt in a car door, or even a car door hinge?

At first, you stated that in your experience, it could not be done. Not you seem to be backing off that statement and saying that the blade will simply be ruined. Are you now saying that it can be done?

I just want to know because I think Noss should do this. I think it will take "at least" that level of abuse to break it. Ruin? Whether a knife is "ruined" or not is subjective. Getting through the bolt or a hinge is objective--the knife will do it or it won't. So in your opinion, will it or won't it? And if it will, what other knife outside of a Scrap Yard or Swamp Rat will also do it (regardless of damage)?
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The knife will not cut a door hinge. It may be possible to cut through a door bolt made in the 70s and earlier but I doubt it. Maybe with the right combination of sledge hammer and sacrificial knife it could be possible. I have no desire to go buy a Busse or any other knife to see if it can be done or not but I'll chip in some $ if someone wants to do just that. The knife wil be ruined in the process. No knife is designed to do this kind of work. Door bolts made in the last 20 years no way.

For the record... a Busse knife or any other brand of knife is an inanimate object. The same goes for guns. These objects are not the ones making outrageous claims. If someone makes a claim that is so outrageous as to be unbelieveable then, simply, prove what you claim. Will a San-Mai bend 180o without damage? No way. If you say yours will then prove it. I am not advocating you go out and damage your knife for no reason but if you tell me your knife can do something and suffer no damage then put your money where your mouth is.

I don't know for certain but I would bet Busse would replace a knife damaged in an actual rescue. I think many makers would do this. Hacking on a 2003 Toyota in a junk yard is a different story. You stand to lose sigificant value, but if you want to do it please post the pics here. And if your knife performs well and doesn't suffer any damage then I will apologise here. When the facts change I change my mind. How about you?
 
In regard to whether Jerry Busse could've pried open a car door with a Busse knife:

Note the many lateral impacts that the Scrapyard knife took from a 3 pound metal mallet, while held in a vice, in the video I linked, above. There have been many other demonstrations of Busse knives and Busse family knives used for heavy prying, too. I have little doubt about his knife's ability to withstand such prying. From knowing Jerry, personally, I can tell you that he is a large fellow. He's around my height (and I'm fairly tall), but easily more than double my weight. Sure, he's chubby, but there's a heck of a lot of solid muscle under that pudge, too. If anybody has the strength and mass to pry open a car door, it's him. I find his claim plausible.

Further, knowing him personally, I can tell you that he has always struck me as an honest man.
 
Evolute said:
In regard to whether Jerry Busse could've pried open a car door with a Busse knife:

Note the many lateral impacts that the Scrapyard knife took from a 3 pound metal mallet, while held in a vice, in the video I linked, above. There have been many other demonstrations of Busse knives and Busse family knives used for heavy prying, too. I have little doubt about his knife's ability to withstand such prying. From knowing Jerry, personally, I can tell you that he is a large fellow. He's around my height (and I'm fairly tall), but easily more than double my weight. Sure, he's chubby, but there's a heck of a lot of solid muscle under that pudge, too. If anybody has the strength and mass to pry open a car door, it's him. I find his claim plausible.

Further, knowing him personally, I can tell you that he has always struck me as an honest man.
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It is good to see one man stand up for another, to uphold his honor. I have a different view, different circumstances. I actually hope you are right and I am wrong.
 
Originally posted by 2dogs

"The knife will not cut a door hinge."
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Your claim that it will not cut through a door hinge has already been refuted. Again, here's the link:

http://cutleryscience.com/reviews/howling_rat.html

Yes, it suffered damage (nothing more than dulling, going through the first hinge), but it also cut a door hinge.

Originally posted by 2dogs

"Will a San-Mai bend 180o without damage? No way. If you say yours will then prove it."
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I'm not making any claims about whether any Busse knives can withstand bending 180 degrees, but you might be interested in these pictures of how far a fully hardened (~58-60 Rockwell hardness, I think) Scrap Yard knife can bend (not without damage... I'm sure it took a set, but without breaking):

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Originally posted by 2dogs

"It is good to see one man stand up for another, to uphold his honor. I have a different view, different circumstances. I actually hope you are right and I am wrong."
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Why don't you give him a call... (419) 923-6471 ...and talk to him about it? Listen to what he has to say. See if his account holds up to your scrutiny.
 
Don Rearic said:
I have two words for the hog avatar guy, he knows what they are. :D

Please, give us more September 11, 2001 emotional claptrap. :jerkit:
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The hog avatar guy is a moderator here at Bladeforums. I think I'd watch my step.

From Spark himself:

Spark said:
RESPECT THE MODERATOR STAFF. It's a thankless job and they make my life a lot easier. Piss them off, and you can find yourself gone
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Everyone flames a bit during these things, it's not a big deal. Guyon, If That-M-Guy was'nt your friend, would you really care about what Don said?


P.S. Down with Busse, long live Cold Steel:p:D.
 
bob bowie said:
Everyone flames a bit during these things, it's not a big deal. Guyon, If That-M-Guy was'nt your friend, would you really care about what Don said?
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Sure would, because almost all of his posts in this thread have been dead wrong with regard to Busse owners and users. He just likes trotting out and flaunting some stereotype for whatever reasons...
 
Man, what is with the whining jackass club? Is there an upcoming election for club president or something? :D

And here I thought ignorance was supposed to be bliss. For most of these clowns, ignorance is apoplectic rage. :eek:

At some point I should stop being surprised at the number of under-medicated sad little people on the web.
 
This thread is like a car wreck I just can't stop looking at it...

But not to fear my friends, whether it be this thread or a car wreck I know having a Busse in hand would let us open it up...

I respect everyone that has had a Busse and found it not to their liking. But why is anybody who hasn't had a Busse posting? Your responses cant possibly help someone decide "what's so special about a busse"...
 
bob bowie said:
Everyone flames a bit during these things, it's not a big deal. Guyon, If That-M-Guy was'nt your friend, would you really care about what Don said?


P.S. Down with Busse, long live Cold Steel:p:D.
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COLD STEEL !?!?? COLD STEEL !?!?

Is that the best you can do? LOL

Let's trot out Strider and I'll put on the popcorn and get a fresh 12 pk.

Rob
 
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