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Whats The Forums Opinion Of Mad Dog?
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Normally do not even read these but Cobalt YOU DA MAN!
Dave Ellis, ABS, M.S. http://www.mastersmith.com
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Dave Ellis, ABS, M.S. http://www.mastersmith.com
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Cobalt, you da man! Thanks for reminding us not to take things too seriously.
Back to the subject at hand, what was the RC of that toilet seat, and the heat treating of the hinges?
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Don LeHue
Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings...they did it by killing all those who opposed them.
Back to the subject at hand, what was the RC of that toilet seat, and the heat treating of the hinges?
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Don LeHue
Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings...they did it by killing all those who opposed them.
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Nice pic Jim, of the weapon that is!
Mark
Jim March
Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider
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That ain't me, and I didn't take that pic.
It showed up in my EMail one day. Basically it's a parody of the various pictures of "what is a Calif-legal rifle stock" in the post-SB15 era.
We've gone from thumbhole stocks to butthole stocks
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Jim
It showed up in my EMail one day. Basically it's a parody of the various pictures of "what is a Calif-legal rifle stock" in the post-SB15 era.
We've gone from thumbhole stocks to butthole stocks
Jim
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Mad Dog knives are great. I have owned an ATAK, a Wild Thing or two, an Arizona Hunter, a Lab Rat, and a Pack Rat. They have unsurpassed ergonomics for a hard use knife in my opinion, and the handles are as durable as they come.
They are for people who like knives that hold an edge and expect a knife edge to be damaged when they strike it against something hard, like a rock or an engine block. I was curious how durable the edge on my Arizona Hunter was, so I used it to chop up a stick of very hard wood (Kamagong, Philippine mahogany). The stick was so hard that the wood shattered as much as it was cut, but the edge of my knife was not damaged AT ALL. It was returned to razor sharpness with a few light strokes on a sharpening steel.
I was also curious about the strength of the blade of my 1/8" Lab Rat, so I put it in the freezer over night to chill the blade. Then I used a stick to pound the edge about a half inch deep into the narrow side of a 2X8. I then flexed the handle up and down what I considered a reasonable amount, to the point where you start thinking if the blade flexes any more, something bad is bound to happen. No damage was sustained.
So in my experience, the knives are well designed, and extremely durable. I think they are reasonably priced for their features as well. You get a fully enclosed tang, G-10 handle, coated, differentially heat treated tool steel blade. If you can find all those features in another knife for less than $300, buy it.
They are for people who like knives that hold an edge and expect a knife edge to be damaged when they strike it against something hard, like a rock or an engine block. I was curious how durable the edge on my Arizona Hunter was, so I used it to chop up a stick of very hard wood (Kamagong, Philippine mahogany). The stick was so hard that the wood shattered as much as it was cut, but the edge of my knife was not damaged AT ALL. It was returned to razor sharpness with a few light strokes on a sharpening steel.
I was also curious about the strength of the blade of my 1/8" Lab Rat, so I put it in the freezer over night to chill the blade. Then I used a stick to pound the edge about a half inch deep into the narrow side of a 2X8. I then flexed the handle up and down what I considered a reasonable amount, to the point where you start thinking if the blade flexes any more, something bad is bound to happen. No damage was sustained.
So in my experience, the knives are well designed, and extremely durable. I think they are reasonably priced for their features as well. You get a fully enclosed tang, G-10 handle, coated, differentially heat treated tool steel blade. If you can find all those features in another knife for less than $300, buy it.
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For my money, Mad Dog knives are the best.
Speaking for myself, I feel that the 6-7 inch, all-purpose camp/combat knife is the
holy grail of knife making. It generates
lots of sales for knifemakers and generates
lots of interest/testing/controversy when
discussed.
Some time ago, I compared all of the 7"
do-everything knives that I could get my
hands on. The "finalists" were Randall Model
14 (O1 steel), Busse SteelHeart II (A2) and Mad Dog ATAK.
Randall was hollow-ground and I didn't want
to sacrifice on performance/strength. But
it sure looked good! A classic, and I will
probably buy one anyway. No protective
coating (powdercoat or hard chrome) and
no differential heat-treat.
Busse felt good, (and I am very fond of A2)
but ergonomics were average and sheath was
not to my liking. Edge was a little thick
and did not cut exceptionally well. Coated
but no differential heat treat (hard to do
on A2 steel, anyway).
Mad Dog ATAK had the best ergonomics of any
knife I had handled. Best kydex work. As
far as I could tell, the heat treat was right
on. Held an edge very well and would cut
anything with ease. Blade geometry and
design focused on performance and nothing
else.
To echo Steve Harvey: If you can find all
the qualities you are looking for in a knife
which costs less than a Mad Dog, buy it.
I consider Mad Dogs to be expensive knives,
but I have not found a substitute which gives
me comparable quality. Mad Dog knife #8 is
on the way...
Best regards,
Mark
Speaking for myself, I feel that the 6-7 inch, all-purpose camp/combat knife is the
holy grail of knife making. It generates
lots of sales for knifemakers and generates
lots of interest/testing/controversy when
discussed.
Some time ago, I compared all of the 7"
do-everything knives that I could get my
hands on. The "finalists" were Randall Model
14 (O1 steel), Busse SteelHeart II (A2) and Mad Dog ATAK.
Randall was hollow-ground and I didn't want
to sacrifice on performance/strength. But
it sure looked good! A classic, and I will
probably buy one anyway. No protective
coating (powdercoat or hard chrome) and
no differential heat-treat.
Busse felt good, (and I am very fond of A2)
but ergonomics were average and sheath was
not to my liking. Edge was a little thick
and did not cut exceptionally well. Coated
but no differential heat treat (hard to do
on A2 steel, anyway).
Mad Dog ATAK had the best ergonomics of any
knife I had handled. Best kydex work. As
far as I could tell, the heat treat was right
on. Held an edge very well and would cut
anything with ease. Blade geometry and
design focused on performance and nothing
else.
To echo Steve Harvey: If you can find all
the qualities you are looking for in a knife
which costs less than a Mad Dog, buy it.
I consider Mad Dogs to be expensive knives,
but I have not found a substitute which gives
me comparable quality. Mad Dog knife #8 is
on the way...
Best regards,
Mark
Cobalt
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Alright guys, I will not follow it up with an encore. Glad I made a few people laugh.
Jim, that picture had me LMAO.
Steve, Does mad dog Make differentialy heat treated, hard chrome toilet seats?
Also, how do you explain Cliff, Will and Turbers test results? I'm sure you are honest about your testing, but I'm also sure about their honesty as well, so is there that much variation in the product, that we can see gross failure, with not so extreme testing on the one hand and then passing with flying colors on the other?
It's just interesting to me, how inconsistent the tests are.
I agree with both Cliff and Jim. These knives are not that tough, but they are great handling knives, from the limited experience in handling them, that I have had. They are more like a typical fighting knife, than a survival blade designed to take punishment. And I don't think there is anything wrong with this. I have several lighter feeling fighting style blades which would break if subjected to the stresses that a large survival blade can take. The Ontario Bagwell Bowies are a good example of that. Awesome design, but you better not pry with them.
My Katz Alley Kat is another example of a fast handling blade which would break if stressed to much. And the list goes on.
Jim, that picture had me LMAO.
Steve, Does mad dog Make differentialy heat treated, hard chrome toilet seats?
Also, how do you explain Cliff, Will and Turbers test results? I'm sure you are honest about your testing, but I'm also sure about their honesty as well, so is there that much variation in the product, that we can see gross failure, with not so extreme testing on the one hand and then passing with flying colors on the other?
It's just interesting to me, how inconsistent the tests are.
I agree with both Cliff and Jim. These knives are not that tough, but they are great handling knives, from the limited experience in handling them, that I have had. They are more like a typical fighting knife, than a survival blade designed to take punishment. And I don't think there is anything wrong with this. I have several lighter feeling fighting style blades which would break if subjected to the stresses that a large survival blade can take. The Ontario Bagwell Bowies are a good example of that. Awesome design, but you better not pry with them.
My Katz Alley Kat is another example of a fast handling blade which would break if stressed to much. And the list goes on.
Hello everybody! I am a Mad Dog Knives dealer. Mad Dog Knives aren't for everyone. Their prices are high which means fewer people can (or would want to) afford them. But, at the same time, production is very limited because each knife is fully handmade and Kevin McClung takes a large part in the creation of each. It so happens that demand exceeds supply and the shop is always backlogged.
Mad Dog Knives offers some features that are not found in most other knives on the market:
1) selectively tempered tool steel blade
2) a full hidden tang completely enclosed in a glass fabric/epoxy composite (yes, like G10, G11) handle
3) hardchrome
4) top quality, cleverly engineered sheath handformed from one piece of Kydex with stainless steel rivets
5) a handle with superb ergonomics
6) blade geometry with the forward rake
I haven't always been a dealer. I became one two months ago after being an owner for more than a year. I became a dealer because Mad Dog Knives were my personal favorites and I wanted to introduce them to the people of Taiwan.
As I said above, these knives are not for everyone. I suggest buying the knife and seeing for yourself. If it just doesn't do it for you, you can post it on the Sales board, and it will go fairly quickly.
Hope this helps! If you have any questions, please email me.
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Mad Dog Knives offers some features that are not found in most other knives on the market:
1) selectively tempered tool steel blade
2) a full hidden tang completely enclosed in a glass fabric/epoxy composite (yes, like G10, G11) handle
3) hardchrome
4) top quality, cleverly engineered sheath handformed from one piece of Kydex with stainless steel rivets
5) a handle with superb ergonomics
6) blade geometry with the forward rake
I haven't always been a dealer. I became one two months ago after being an owner for more than a year. I became a dealer because Mad Dog Knives were my personal favorites and I wanted to introduce them to the people of Taiwan.
As I said above, these knives are not for everyone. I suggest buying the knife and seeing for yourself. If it just doesn't do it for you, you can post it on the Sales board, and it will go fairly quickly.
Hope this helps! If you have any questions, please email me.
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This is a thread about Mad Dog knives? Where's the yelling,screaming,name calling,cursing,challenging,daring,talking about your mama,back stabbing,etc etc???????
Could we be maturing?
Nahhhhhhh
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Dave (Phil.4:13)
I Can Do All Things Through Him Who Strengthens Me
Could we be maturing?
Nahhhhhhh
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Dave (Phil.4:13)
I Can Do All Things Through Him Who Strengthens Me
What I want to know is, how do stainless toilet seats stack up against high carbon toilet seats? Given the environment, it seems to me that stainless would be a better choice. And should I buy a decorated toilet seat? Are they really worth the extra money?
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Hoodoo
The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stonethe light-pressd blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.
Walt Whitman
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Hoodoo
The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stonethe light-pressd blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.
Walt Whitman
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Hoodoo: I think that titanium frame with wood inlay might be the best choice (no hardwood though)
David
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Just to inject some reality back into the hype that's being bandied about...
1. O1 - it's a tool steel, and not the best one out there. It's certainly not magical, but it's cheap to buy and readily available. Corrosion resistance is well known (it isn't great). Edge holding is well known (very good) except for when it's over hardened. Some people have reported losing their edge while the knife sat in the sheath... but that's a problem with 01, not the construction.
2. Hard Chrome - while it's very nice for abrasion resistance, it sucks for corrosion resistance and sure isn't "tactical." Unless you believe tactical means semi reflective bright grey knives. Despite all the claims otherwise, it's been proven that hard chrome does indeed have capillary action, drawing the water up into it.
3. Handles - they are G10. Don't buy into the hype that they are some super secret proprietary composite, because they aren't. Just simple G10. Ergonomics are great, it's electrically isolated, and the G10 is tough, but it's nothing more magical than G10. Besides all that, they are pretty much the only thing I don't really have an issue with - the handles are close to perfection.
4. Tang - it's a big full tang alright. I haven't heard of any tang failures, other than the glue being used to hold it in failing. Again, something readily fixed by a slight change in construction, totally ignored by the maker. Change it so that there is mechanical lockup, and the knife would be fine.
RE: the epoxy "rivet" arguement, if that works so well, then there shouldn't be a problem machining a .125" slot into the side of the blade and interior of the handle so that the epoxy forms a brace stoping any possible movement. As is, if there is an epoxy / handle bonding failure, the knife will slide right out.
5. Kydex sheaths - good construction, though why they are grey is beyond me. Some of the better examples of kydex work out there from a semi-production shop, but there's still room for improvement here as well - like offering different options for attachment instead of 1 seatbelt webbing fits all.
6. Warranty, repair, etc. Do some research - best of luck. As long as you are the first owner, and haven't "abused" the knife (the definition of which changes as needed), then you probably aren't going to have problems getting it repaired. Then again, you probably aren't going to need it repaired.
In summation, they are good knives with a lot of room for improvement. Improvements of the steel, tang construction, and coating would make it hard to beat, and worth every penny. For example, a D2 or A2 ATAK with Black TiAlN coating and a tang with mechanical (as well as glue) lockups and a black Kydex sheath would be well worth the $350 price tag - I wouldn't hesitate to hand over cash for it.
Spark
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SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com
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1. O1 - it's a tool steel, and not the best one out there. It's certainly not magical, but it's cheap to buy and readily available. Corrosion resistance is well known (it isn't great). Edge holding is well known (very good) except for when it's over hardened. Some people have reported losing their edge while the knife sat in the sheath... but that's a problem with 01, not the construction.
2. Hard Chrome - while it's very nice for abrasion resistance, it sucks for corrosion resistance and sure isn't "tactical." Unless you believe tactical means semi reflective bright grey knives. Despite all the claims otherwise, it's been proven that hard chrome does indeed have capillary action, drawing the water up into it.
3. Handles - they are G10. Don't buy into the hype that they are some super secret proprietary composite, because they aren't. Just simple G10. Ergonomics are great, it's electrically isolated, and the G10 is tough, but it's nothing more magical than G10. Besides all that, they are pretty much the only thing I don't really have an issue with - the handles are close to perfection.
4. Tang - it's a big full tang alright. I haven't heard of any tang failures, other than the glue being used to hold it in failing. Again, something readily fixed by a slight change in construction, totally ignored by the maker. Change it so that there is mechanical lockup, and the knife would be fine.
RE: the epoxy "rivet" arguement, if that works so well, then there shouldn't be a problem machining a .125" slot into the side of the blade and interior of the handle so that the epoxy forms a brace stoping any possible movement. As is, if there is an epoxy / handle bonding failure, the knife will slide right out.
5. Kydex sheaths - good construction, though why they are grey is beyond me. Some of the better examples of kydex work out there from a semi-production shop, but there's still room for improvement here as well - like offering different options for attachment instead of 1 seatbelt webbing fits all.
6. Warranty, repair, etc. Do some research - best of luck. As long as you are the first owner, and haven't "abused" the knife (the definition of which changes as needed), then you probably aren't going to have problems getting it repaired. Then again, you probably aren't going to need it repaired.
In summation, they are good knives with a lot of room for improvement. Improvements of the steel, tang construction, and coating would make it hard to beat, and worth every penny. For example, a D2 or A2 ATAK with Black TiAlN coating and a tang with mechanical (as well as glue) lockups and a black Kydex sheath would be well worth the $350 price tag - I wouldn't hesitate to hand over cash for it.
Spark
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com
Insert witty quip here
HOODOO:
I think stainless steel can be pitted by high concentrations of salt and uric (sp?) acid. The Canadian Airforce had million dollar plus repair bills on aircraft because the guys couldn't "hit the mark"
. I prefer carbon-fiber toilet seats, but that's custom work.
Cheers,
RLR
I think stainless steel can be pitted by high concentrations of salt and uric (sp?) acid. The Canadian Airforce had million dollar plus repair bills on aircraft because the guys couldn't "hit the mark"
Cheers,
RLR
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Well, there was no hype about Mad Dog knives in this thread, until a couple of posts ago.
For those interested in a reality-based opinion of Mad Dog knives, I suggest you place the most weight on the opinions of those who have owned and used them, namely Cliff Stamp, myself, and a few others who posted their own actual and honest experiences with Mad Dog knives above.
Cobalt,
If Mad Dog ever comes up with an idea to make a toilet seat tactical, he probably will!
His moniker is truly deserved. As proof, I offer the following picture of his latest creation, The Macinator:
[This message has been edited by Steve Harvey (edited 04-14-2000).]
For those interested in a reality-based opinion of Mad Dog knives, I suggest you place the most weight on the opinions of those who have owned and used them, namely Cliff Stamp, myself, and a few others who posted their own actual and honest experiences with Mad Dog knives above.
Cobalt,
If Mad Dog ever comes up with an idea to make a toilet seat tactical, he probably will!
His moniker is truly deserved. As proof, I offer the following picture of his latest creation, The Macinator:
[This message has been edited by Steve Harvey (edited 04-14-2000).]