What's the matter with SOG?

Ever since holding an SOG flash and being amazed at how unergonomic of a handle they put on that knife, I've had no interest in anything SOG. This only reinforces that opinion.
 
I actually like some of SOG's designs, especially with their fixed blades.

But this just does not fly :barf:
 
mike echo said:
Er, why?

It WAS patented - the patent has since expired. Trying to claim it as a trademark is an abuse of IP law imo.

If IP really worked like this then society would come to a standstill. Imagine the first automatic transmission being controlled by one company, forever, because they claim it's a "trademark". Ditto flat-screen TVs, metallic paint on cars, automatic weapons, etc etc.

The whole point of patents is to benefit society as a whole. It's a trade: The public agrees to let the inventor have a monopoly for a while, but after that time is up, anyone can use it. Abusing IP laws means the inventor is not living up to their part of the bargain.

I think Spyderco make great knives. I think their service is fantastic. But trademarking an "invention" aint right.
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I'd love to see a company trademark a transmission, or a flat-screen tv. :D

It's less about actual infringement and more about blatant design theft.
 
mike echo said:
Er, why?

It WAS patented - the patent has since expired. Trying to claim it as a trademark is an abuse of IP law imo.

If IP really worked like this then society would come to a standstill. Imagine the first automatic transmission being controlled by one company, forever, because they claim it's a "trademark". Ditto flat-screen TVs, metallic paint on cars, automatic weapons, etc etc.

The whole point of patents is to benefit society as a whole. It's a trade: The public agrees to let the inventor have a monopoly for a while, but after that time is up, anyone can use it. Abusing IP laws means the inventor is not living up to their part of the bargain.

I think Spyderco make great knives. I think their service is fantastic. But trademarking an "invention" aint right.
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Trying to call opening holes in general IP (which is what Spyderco originally had trademarked, and then some) would be abuse of the notion, but trying to keep the exact shape that defines the appearance your company is far from it. And yes, Benchmade is scum for Bullying Spyderco into being able to use it.
 
Easier mod to a wave? IMHO, bad business integrity anyway
 
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One thing I just noticed is that the large Sogzilla is 4.75" long. I yield to no one in my likeing for many of Spyderco's knifes but it seems that it'll be a cold day in hell before Spyderco ever makes a folder that large.
I like large folders and I'll definitely be taking a look at it when it comes out, so pardon me if I don't join in the general disdain.
 
Larry Turko said:
One thing I just noticed is that the large Sogzilla is 4.75" long. I yield to no one in my likeing for many of Spyderco's knifes but it seems that it'll be a cold day in hell before Spyderco ever makes a folder that large.
I like large folders and I'll definitely be taking a look at it when it comes out, so pardon me if I don't join in the general disdain.
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Sal said that there was a 4-5"+ folder coming out this year hopefully.
 
Their add copy for these knives is really corny as well:
.....the big-bodied blade features a new opening shape... the likes of which has never been seen before.
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You've gotta be kidding me! You mean to tell me SOG's never seen some guy massacre a Spyder-hole while trying to ghetto-wave it with a dremel?:confused: All they have to do is look at a couple of Charlie Mike's knives.:p

Larry Turko said:
I yield to no one in my likeing for many of Spyderco's knifes but it seems that it'll be a cold day in hell before Spyderco ever makes a folder that large.
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Spyderco's already got a few in the pipeline ("Bison" ring a bell?), so hell must be cooling off.;)
 
3Guardsmen said:
You've gotta be kidding me! You mean to tell me SOG's never seen some guy massacre a Spyder-hole while trying to ghetto-wave it with a dremel?:confused: All they have to do is look at a couple of Charlie Mike's knives.:p
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:rolleyes: I wouldn't say massacre, the one I got waved has seen a heck of a lot more use post wave than pre, and it opens up a heck of a lot quicker. Just because something isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean you need to trash it, and I value CM's time on this forum more so than yours :thumbdn:
 
hwpaintballer said:
:rolleyes: I wouldn't say massacre, the one I got waved has seen a heck of a lot more use post wave than pre, and it opens up a heck of a lot quicker. Just because something isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean you need to trash it, and I value CM's time on this forum more so than yours :thumbdn:
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You must not know how to interpret smilies, or have a basic understanding of sarcasm either.:rolleyes:
 
I just don't see how this is a complimentary statement, "You mean to tell me SOG's never seen some guy massacre a Spyder-hole while trying to ghetto-wave it with a dremel?" .
 
Huh, didn't see that one coming, really thought SOG had better ethics than this. No more SOG for me, why pay that much for a knock off?
 
hwpaintballer said:
:rolleyes: I wouldn't say massacre, the one I got waved has seen a heck of a lot more use post wave than pre, and it opens up a heck of a lot quicker. Just because something isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean you need to trash it, and I value CM's time on this forum more so than yours :thumbdn:
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Yeah that was obviously a joke. Calm down man...

Even CM will admit this one ain't too beautiful

Edit: I'm sure he has done some good work, but I think "massacre" could be a reasonably descriptive word if you are joking around


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mike echo said:
Er, why?

It WAS patented - the patent has since expired. Trying to claim it as a trademark is an abuse of IP law imo.

If IP really worked like this then society would come to a standstill. Imagine the first automatic transmission being controlled by one company, forever, because they claim it's a "trademark". Ditto flat-screen TVs, metallic paint on cars, automatic weapons, etc etc.

The whole point of patents is to benefit society as a whole. It's a trade: The public agrees to let the inventor have a monopoly for a while, but after that time is up, anyone can use it. Abusing IP laws means the inventor is not living up to their part of the bargain.

I think Spyderco make great knives. I think their service is fantastic. But trademarking an "invention" aint right.
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While it was patented, any hole type opener had to be licensed. In that time the hole became synonymous with Spyderco, and so the round hole became a trademark, IIRC the trademark is for a single hole only. Ken Onion has a specific trademark with several holes in a row, and other makers with varying patterns of holes.
Any shape of opening hole other than round is perfectly fine.

Ironically, with the cut out this technically isn't a hole at all?:confused: But rather a very, very, oddly shaped blade spine.
 
hwpaintballer said:
I just don't see how this is a complimentary statement, "You mean to tell me SOG's never seen some guy massacre a Spyder-hole while trying to ghetto-wave it with a dremel?" .
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It was meant to be humorous, not complimentary. I have seen plenty of unsuccessful attempts at "ghetto-waving," and that is what I was referring to, unsuccessful attempts, i.e. massacre. I mentioned Charlie Mike (and used the :p smilie) as a jab at some of his fugly, yet functional, wave mods.

If you want to discuss this any further, please take it to PM.
 
^^^ Calm down? I am perfectly calm, I'm not the one running all around the board starting threads with the intent to discredit a manufacturer, just because one knife looks similar to a spyderco.
 
hwpaintballer said:
Calm down? I am perfectly calm, I'm not the one running all around the board starting threads with the intent to discredit a manufacturer, just because one knife looks similar to a spyderco.
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If you have a personal problem with me, take it to PM or another thread!
 
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